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      Adrián San Miguel

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      Kopite78
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #200: Oct 05, 2020 11:05:58 am
      Klopp was terribly wrong about Karius, he is wrong about Adrian if he thinks he's good enough. It's clear he's not and he has messed up more than enough times.

      Alisson is number one though

      Sorry to burst your bubble but you wont get another of Alissons level to be number 2

      These lads are number 2s for a reason
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #201: Oct 05, 2020 11:08:27 am
      United have Henderson as no.2, Arsenal had Martinez no.2 last season, Spurs have Gazzaniga. Not buying this you can't have a good back up keeper.
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      Reply #202: Oct 05, 2020 11:11:26 am
      United have Henderson as no.2, Arsenal had Martinez no.2 last season, Spurs have Gazzaniga. Not buying this you can't have a good back up keeper.

      Henderson is a different case, his stock has raised and I think he gives it this year to oust De Gea or he fucks off

      Martinez wanted to go once he had a run in the team and his stock was high

      Gazzaniga is their number 3 and for me not much better that what we have, marginally but not much, again a reason Mourinho wanted a new number 2 in front of him
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #203: Oct 05, 2020 11:14:44 am

      Won't stay as number 2 for long though will he.  He'll either replace Gea or get off for first team action.

      Arsenal had Martinez no.2 last season

      And he left this summer to go to Aston Villa.


      For how long.

      It's a tricky job handling backup keepers but I'm probably more concerned at the number of times recently that Alisson has been unavailable.  Didn't he have a fitness test before last weekend's game as well?
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      Reply #204: Oct 05, 2020 11:56:49 am
      Shouts for Gazzaniga they have bought in Joe Hart to push him to third choice - he is not the answer!
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #205: Oct 05, 2020 12:06:49 pm
      We should be looking at young talent to develop like Lunin, Lafont and Maximiano.

      Young, probably happy to be second keeper and learn from Alisson and the coaches, and have a massive ceiling.
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      Reply #206: Oct 05, 2020 02:15:07 pm
      Maybe he wouldn't have wanted to be a backup but we screwed up not trying to bring Pepe Reina back.

      As for Adrian, I feel for him, never going to be fun to get compared to Allison (best in the world). It's an unenviable job. It's sad how he's getting torn apart on social media. I'm sure he's doing the best that he can, at this time though, can't help but thing we may need better.
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      Reply #207: Oct 05, 2020 03:12:58 pm
      Maybe he wouldn't have wanted to be a backup but we screwed up not trying to bring Pepe Reina back.

      As for Adrian, I feel for him, never going to be fun to get compared to Allison (best in the world). It's an unenviable job. It's sad how he's getting torn apart on social media. I'm sure he's doing the best that he can, at this time though, can't help but thing we may need better.

      We need better, desperately.

      Adrian did an admirable job when he first came in. Literally had to get off the plane and become our starter with Alisson going down and did a great job filling in that when he had a couple mistakes we were able to brush it off as "it happens to everyone". However, the bloom started coming off the rose slowly and surely and eventually it costs us big in the CL and his mistakes could no longer be excused.

      Too late to do anything since deadline is today but with Alisson having his annual 6-week injury we cannot afford to have Adrian f**king up anymore and need better.
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      Reply #208: Oct 05, 2020 05:47:04 pm
      Agreed.

      Defeat not down to him.  He's a better keeper than Jordan Pickford and they're top.

      Totally unprotected by the players in front of him and I don't expect Liverpool to face 18 shots in any football game.

      It's funny laughing at Pickford but there's a massive difference between the two. Pickford is far better.

      Adrian had a couple of decent games at the start and looked solid (but even then I remember his third game at Southampton where he gifted one goal to Ings and should have been punished twice) and after that he's been dreadful. Error after error, costing goal after goal.

      Of course there'll be a drop off when your number two comes in but it simply can't be this big. I'm not expecting shot stopping like the world's best but we need someone more solid than Adrian who's more comfortable playing in our system.

      One more month of Adrian will cause severe damage to our domestic and European hopes.
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      Reply #209: Oct 05, 2020 06:37:41 pm
      Actually, tbh people better hope Adrian doesn't get injured, because Kelleher is next up, and he is NOwhere near ready.
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      Reply #210: Oct 05, 2020 06:47:54 pm
      Actually, tbh people better hope Adrian doesn't get injured, because Kelleher is next up, and he is NOwhere near ready.

      Whats worse is we literally let Grabara out on loan again about 2 weeks ago. I rate him higher than Kelleher and won't be any worse than Adrian.
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #211: Oct 06, 2020 12:22:35 am
      He's a good back-up keeper, but I noticed once he commits a mistake you might as well sub him off because he is gone for the game.

      To be fair, nobody worked after the first goal other than Robbo, Mo and maybe Keita. It's hard to come back it into when the whole team just throws in the towel after you make a mistake.
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #212: Oct 06, 2020 04:01:26 am
      People have focused in on Villas opening goal and Adrian has taken the blame but it’s actually a little unfair. There were several mistakes.

      1. Robertson was under pressure. He should have just cleared the ball with his right foot down the line.

      2. Once Robertson received the ball, VVD should have gave him an option, he never did.

      3. The pass back to Adrian from Robertson was shocking. Fizzed in to him at waist height on a wet pitch, immediately putting him under pressure.

      4. Adrian should have just got rid. Put the ball into the stands if you have too. But he tried to play out and the pass was sh*te.

      5. Gomez didn’t exactly help with the pass. He could have been on his toes and more alert. Then, when the ball passed him and grealish picks it up, he hesitates and backs off, instead of closing him and giving him no space.

      So yes, Adrian was at fault for the first goal but three others played a part there. I was more concerned about how easily the goals went in. Deflections or not, they seemed to beat Adrian with ease and I’m absolutely certain had Alison been in goal then he stops 4 or 5 of them.

      Adrian has actually made numerous mistakes for us but because we were still winning games, they went unnoticed or were quickly forgotten about.

      I have a soft spot for Adrian. He’s quite clearly a nice bloke, a good professional but sadly he isn’t good enough, even as a number 2.
       
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      Reply #213: Oct 06, 2020 04:32:52 am
      It is really unfair to single him out. The attitude of the whole team after his mistake (or maybe even before) was just not there, to say the least.

      Off day for everybody and we'll be hoping the intl break can help those who won't be on duty to get some energies and hunger back, and those on duty to give them a change of air and some hunger on their way back.

      Shocking game from everyone really
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      Reply #214: Oct 06, 2020 12:11:39 pm
      Said it once and i'll say it until i'm blue in the face. Karius is a better goalkeeper than Adrian. Unfortunately Klopp knows it would be suicidal to play Karius again because if he made any type of mistake there would be absolute carnage from the fans.
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #215: Oct 06, 2020 12:38:13 pm
      Spend the int break making him use his hands to save and not just his body and a sh*te load of work with the ball at his feet  working clearances under pressure
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      Reply #216: Oct 06, 2020 12:40:32 pm
      Actually id love to see stats on his saves ratio body to hands.....
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      Reply #217: Oct 06, 2020 01:41:02 pm
      It is really unfair to single him out. The attitude of the whole team after his mistake (or maybe even before) was just not there, to say the least.

      Finding it a little bit uncomfortable myself.  Most of us on here have never seen Liverpool concede seven but there was no way it was down to the keeper.  Looks like he is going to take the wrap for it but if you take a cold hard look at the game he cost us one and then arguably saved us one from that Watkins one v one.  We conceded 18 shots FFS.

      If he had thrown five goals into his net then I think some of the comments would be justified but in this particular game he didn't.  As for the comments saying he would destroy our league season then I think that's a little bit overblown.  He didn't last season when we won our first 8 games or something with him in goal.

      If anything's going to destroy our league season it's the 10 players in front of him thinking this football business is a walk in the park.
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      Reply #218: Oct 06, 2020 01:47:19 pm
      Finding it a little bit uncomfortable myself.  Most of us on here have never seen Liverpool concede seven but there was no way it was down to the keeper.  Looks like he is going to take the wrap for it but if you take a cold hard look at the game he cost us one and then arguably saved us one from that Watkins one v one.  We conceded 18 shots FFS.

      If he had thrown five goals into his net then I think some of the comments would be justified but in this particular game he didn't.  As for the comments saying he would destroy our league season then I think that's a little bit overblown. He didn't last season when we won our first 8 games or something with him in goal.

      If anything's going to destroy our league season it's the 10 players in front of him thinking this football business is a walk in the park.

      He made plenty of mistakes last season that were brushed off because we were doing well and still winning those games. We won the league so far ahead of the pack that we could have won it with me in goal but this year the race may be a lot tighter and he may be the difference between 1st and 2nd place. We'll see as the season plays out. He did single handedly end our CL season, however.
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #219: Oct 06, 2020 02:00:54 pm
      There must be a better keeper in the championship we can get before window closes.
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      Reply #220: Oct 06, 2020 02:09:54 pm
      There must be a better keeper in the championship we can get before window closes.

      Windows closed
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      Reply #221: Oct 06, 2020 03:40:11 pm

      I thought we could still recruit from EPL as utd are still in for Sarr as he's at watford.
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      Reply #222: Oct 06, 2020 03:41:13 pm
      You’re as good as your last game. It’s so true. When we went unbeaten with him in the beginning of last season, many of us thought we couldn’t have a better number two. Compared to Migs and Kairus, he was the trusted number two. Fast forward to our last CL match and the Villa game, some of us now want him out.

      Looks like there’s no long term in football. Only your last match.
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #223: Oct 06, 2020 03:51:06 pm
      You’re as good as your last game. It’s so true. When we went unbeaten with him in the beginning of last season, many of us thought we couldn’t have a better number two. Compared to Migs and Kairus, he was the trusted number two. Fast forward to our last CL match and the Villa game, some of us now want him out.

      Looks like there’s no long term in football. Only your last match.

      It's not just his last match. When he first came here he played really well despite some mistakes here and there, and when he made an error it wasn't costing us games, so he deserved the praise. He then slowly but surely kept getting worse and worse and mistakes started costing us games with the CL being the elephant in the room. We are now seeing why he was unemployed when we got him.
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      Re: Adrián San Miguel
      Reply #224: Oct 06, 2020 03:53:48 pm
      I thought we could still recruit from EPL as utd are still in for Sarr as he's at watford.

      No. Windows shut for PL clubs

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