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      UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST

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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #75: Aug 13, 2019 11:37:24 am
      Agreed. Gomez has ridiculous recovery pace, and it saved us early on last season.
      Just my thoughts on giving Adrian a bit more protection.

      Like you said, they managed the danger down the left second half.
      TAA & Gomez push the team higher up the pitch with all the positives that brings in pressing and attacking.
      For the next few games though, I'd rather see Matip.
      Wouldn't be surprised if they rotate though when the games stack up.

      I can deinitely see the merits of having Matip in.
      Just personal choice I guess.
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      Reply #76: Aug 13, 2019 11:52:59 am
      I can deinitely see the merits of having Matip in.
      Just personal choice I guess.

      Definitely. It's probably a higher risk / higher reward scenario if you put Gomez in the back line.
      Leaves the other team a lot of space to attack, unless you can funnel their attack (Not always possible).
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #77: Aug 13, 2019 12:19:09 pm
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      Reply #78: Aug 13, 2019 12:53:20 pm
      Definitely. It's probably a higher risk / higher reward scenario if you put Gomez in the back line.
      Leaves the other team a lot of space to attack, unless you can funnel their attack (Not always possible).

      I like Gomez mostly for his pace.
      It means VVD doesn't have to do all the chasing down, and we have real pace right across the backline.

      I do think Matip is a better defender though (at the moment), and it does seem a bit unfair to bench him after his performances last season.
      No doubt about it, the lad was a rock, and seems to have got stronger as well.
      I'm not saying Matip is slow; he's quicker than people think, but he's not up there in the Gomez/VVD bracket.

      To be honest, I'd have no issues with Matip as our main starter.
      I just like seeing young defenders come through.
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      Reply #79: Aug 13, 2019 01:01:58 pm
      I like Gomez mostly for his pace.
      It means VVD doesn't have to do all the chasing down, and we have real pace right across the backline.

      I do think Matip is a better defender though (at the moment), and it does seem a bit unfair to bench him after his performances last season.
      No doubt about it, the lad was a rock, and seems to have got stronger as well.
      I'm not saying Matip is slow; he's quicker than people think, but he's not up there in the Gomez/VVD bracket.

      To be honest, I'd have no issues with Matip as our main starter.
      I just like seeing young defenders come through.

      I think Klopp wants to start as he did last season with Gomez and VVD. I can't deny that Matip did the business last season but he was there to deputise for Joe. I do feel for Matip but I think Klopp sees Joe and VVD as his first choice.
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      Reply #80: Aug 13, 2019 01:04:22 pm
      I think Klopp wants to start as he did last season with Gomez and VVD. I can't deny that Matip did the business last season but he was there to deputise for Joe. I do feel for Matip but I think Klopp sees Joe and VVD as his first choice.

      Plus we don’t see the training sessions, I can imagine Gomez is continuing to impress. I love Matip and the fact is all 3 will get significant game time this season.

      Superb central defenders
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      Reply #81: Aug 13, 2019 01:05:39 pm
      I like Gomez mostly for his pace.
      It means VVD doesn't have to do all the chasing down, and we have real pace right across the backline.

      I do think Matip is a better defender though (at the moment), and it does seem a bit unfair to bench him after his performances last season.
      No doubt about it, the lad was a rock, and seems to have got stronger as well.
      I'm not saying Matip is slow; he's quicker than people think, but he's not up there in the Gomez/VVD bracket.

      To be honest, I'd have no issues with Matip as our main starter.
      I just like seeing young defenders come through.

      No doubt that, up until his injury setback, Gomez was 1st choice for Klopp as Virgil's partner.
      Comes down to preference really. With Alisson I wouldn't mind, but with Adrian I'd like to see Matip in the side just to be more solid.
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #82: Aug 13, 2019 01:26:59 pm
                                 ADRIAN

          TTA      GOMES    VVD     Robbo

       
                                FAB

                    HENDO         KEITA   

                MO      BOBBY         MANE

      3- 0


      The weekend score flattered scum and both they and the chavs were as bad as each other.  I'm sure chavs will make changes.
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #83: Aug 13, 2019 01:40:02 pm
      Lampards pre match comments suggest the Chelsea boys will be raring to go for this one.

      I hope some peoples attitudes to this aren't mirrored by the players on the pitch tomorrow.

      F**k losing to Chelsea in any European game.
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #84: Aug 13, 2019 01:47:34 pm
      Lonergan is in the 23 man squad:

      Fabinho, Van Dijk, Wijnaldum, Milner, Keita, Firmino, Mane, Salah, Gomez, Adrian, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana, Lonergan, Shaqiri, Brewster, Robertson, Origi, Matip, Hoever, Kelleher, Alexander-Arnold, Elliott.

      Lovren out "due to illness"

      https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/360294-confirmed-liverpool-squad-super-cup-chelsea

      Transferitis maybe?
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #85: Aug 13, 2019 01:52:20 pm
      wow kick in balls for trent and gomez, dropped for a pup in one of the most prestigious finals there is.

      No chance any of the really young u23 guys will play, we have no injuries apart from Ali, so plenty senior squad guys to rotate, but trent will start probably with matip, I can see matip, trent rotating a lot this season.

      I did say i only expect one or two changes.

      My mention of Hoever is that people are saying Jürgen should rotate the squad, but then say Gomez for Trent. Well Gomez wouldn't be rotated then as he started the previous match. So if it's freshness you want...

      But I'm not expecting Hoever, or many other changes. We've also now learned Lovren didn't make the trip.
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #86: Aug 13, 2019 01:58:45 pm
      If it's freshness we want, give Hoever a debut at right back and let Gomez rest as well.

      I don't expect more than 1 or 2 changes though.

      Freshness?! The season is only one game in and we are worrying about fatigue already?!
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #87: Aug 13, 2019 01:59:01 pm
      Freshness?? they've only played 1 game so far. BTW if you think this is mickey mouse then maybe let the club know as they have it proudly displayed on their honours board, how embarassing for them!!!
      As for me I'd gladly take a loss against Southampton to win another piece of silverware, especially against the Chav Rentboys!

      1. I don't expect many changes, if any.

      2. Rotation usually does connote a wish to keep players fresh.

      3. While they've only played one competitive match, the idea is to prevent players from playing three times in one week (Norwich, Chelsea, Saints). Twice is much better. We have a number of those 3 in 7 stretches this season so there's nothing wrong with managing the load now.

      4. This is a match well worth winning.

      5. See point 1.
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #88: Aug 13, 2019 02:02:04 pm
      Freshness?! The season is only one game in and we are worrying about fatigue already?!

      I did say "if"

      I saw tired players in matches just two weeks ago. Some players have been back in training three weeks or less. So don't tell me they are all at peak fitness now. Managing their match load is a season-long exercise.

      But again, I don't expect much change for tomorrow
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #89: Aug 13, 2019 02:48:32 pm
      Just beat the plastic flag waving wankers !
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      Reply #90: Aug 13, 2019 03:16:15 pm
      I did say "if"

      I saw tired players in matches just two weeks ago. Some players have been back in training three weeks or less. So don't tell me they are all at peak fitness now. Managing their match load is a season-long exercise.

      But again, I don't expect much change for tomorrow

      Trent was back for a large part of Pre-season and Gomez was there for the whole of it, I don’t think either of them are anywhere near being tired yet, especially not to the extent of bringing in Hoever at their expense.

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      Reply #91: Aug 13, 2019 03:39:02 pm
      Oh I'm so charged up and looking forward to the game. I'll be adopting a 10 no nonsense attitude going into this game to ensure success. It's so important to me to "win at all costs" because I'm looking at Man City, even if it makes me less of a human. So here are the 10. So excited! ;D

      "I expect us to walk this game, nothing less than 8-0. No one is allowed to take foot off the gas. Even it means risking their bodies. They're paid sh*t loads to destory their bodies for our entertainment."
      "I will not tolerate any complacency by any of the lads. They'll get the stick from me."
      "I will not praise the lads if they do well, because if it gets into their head, they will become complacent. Anyway I've never been happy with them because they're never perfect. A no carrot approach ensures success."
      "I shall not celebrate if we score tap-ins. To me these are low level goals, with no pride. All 8 goals have to be spectacular Hollywood balls."
      "I'll yawn if Adrian plays because he ain't good enough for me despite being good enough for Klopp. I prefer world class subs. I expect Adrian to save everything. To me, every shot can be saved. So he has no excuse. Let in a goal, and I've told you so, Adrian ain't good enough."
      "I'll complain till the cows come home over a single sign of sloppiness even if we win 8-0. Can't let it get to the lads."
      "Quality full throttle entertainment is what I expect and rightly so because I'm a fan and we have the right to demand even if we don't pay the club a single cent. More importantly, Man city. We must be better than them."
      "Backpasses will not be tolerated. Not allowed to keep the ball and rest. They've got to keep attacking to satisfy my desire for full 90m entertainment."
      "I expect our best starting 11 to play 90m. Our bench cannot compete because the drop in quality is too great. Unlike Man City. Also, I don't really trust our bench!"
      "Lastly, if we lose I'm waiting or blame Klopp for not buying Nicolas Pepe who WANTS to join us. Which player wouldn't want to join the CL champions? Those who wouldn't have no ambition."

      Sorry for my negativity. Nonetheless this view of "mine" is valid. Because I aspire to be the saddest most negative souless fan. And really, that's my own problem. Nothing wrong.  :aaliverpool2xt1:

      You'd pity my child because I'd whip them like that till they're champions in school. I'm sure you won't want to be my staff either since my management style is a stick approach with absolutely no carrots.

      Anyway time to go get a life now... Until kickoff. And mind you I'm going in with this mentality because "I love the club more than any other fan!" You can disagree with me. But you might "risk me labelling you by some funny names, depending on my mood".

      Just kidding and don't worry. I have no right to judge you. I didn't know being a Liverpool fan can be so miserable. Ok, I'll take back all I've said. I only wanted to be FRANK. I'll enjoy the game and be behind every one of the lads. Maybe 3-0 to us. Let's go!
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #92: Aug 13, 2019 04:09:57 pm
      Whether this is considered a "minor" trophy or not, we should 100% want to win it.  We've not exactly been prolific in winning trophies prior to the CL so let's go for it.

      Chelsea were better on Sunday than a lot on here are giving credit for, albeit they got sucker-punched a few times.  They played some good football and the way we've been defending, will cause us problems.

      We are the better side though so I expect a 2-1 or 3-1 victory and a nice shiny cup!

      COYR!!!
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      Reply #93: Aug 13, 2019 04:17:08 pm
      Oh I'm so charged up and looking forward to the game. I'll be adopting a 10 no nonsense attitude going into this game to ensure success. It's so important to me to "win at all costs" because I'm looking at Man City, even if it makes me less of a human. So here are the 10. So excited! ;D

      "I expect us to walk this game, nothing less than 8-0. No one is allowed to take foot off the gas. Even it means risking their bodies. They're paid sh*t loads to destory their bodies for our entertainment."
      "I will not tolerate any complacency by any of the lads. They'll get the stick from me."
      "I will not praise the lads if they do well, because if it gets into their head, they will become complacent. Anyway I've never been happy with them because they're never perfect. A no carrot approach ensures success."
      "I shall not celebrate if we score tap-ins. To me these are low level goals, with no pride. All 8 goals have to be spectacular Hollywood balls."
      "I'll yawn if Adrian plays because he ain't good enough for me despite being good enough for Klopp. I prefer world class subs. I expect Adrian to save everything. To me, every shot can be saved. So he has no excuse. Let in a goal, and I've told you so, Adrian ain't good enough."
      "I'll complain till the cows come home over a single sign of sloppiness even if we win 8-0. Can't let it get to the lads."
      "Quality full throttle entertainment is what I expect and rightly so because I'm a fan and we have the right to demand even if we don't pay the club a single cent. More importantly, Man city. We must be better than them."
      "Backpasses will not be tolerated. Not allowed to keep the ball and rest. They've got to keep attacking to satisfy my desire for full 90m entertainment."
      "I expect our best starting 11 to play 90m. Our bench cannot compete because the drop in quality is too great. Unlike Man City. Also, I don't really trust our bench!"
      "Lastly, if we lose I'm waiting or blame Klopp for not buying Nicolas Pepe who WANTS to join us. Which player wouldn't want to join the CL champions? Those who wouldn't have no ambition."

      Sorry for my negativity. Nonetheless this view of "mine" is valid. Because I aspire to be the saddest most negative souless fan. And really, that's my own problem. Nothing wrong.  :aaliverpool2xt1:

      You'd pity my child because I'd whip them like that till they're champions in school. I'm sure you won't want to be my staff either since my management style is a stick approach with absolutely no carrots.

      Anyway time to go get a life now... Until kickoff. And mind you I'm going in with this mentality because "I love the club more than any other fan!" You can disagree with me. But you might "risk me labelling you by some funny names, depending on my mood".

      Just kidding and don't worry. I have no right to judge you. I didn't know being a Liverpool fan can be so miserable. Ok, I'll take back all I've said. I only wanted to be FRANK. I'll enjoy the game and be behind every one of the lads. Maybe 3-0 to us. Let's go!

      .... I see.
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #94: Aug 13, 2019 04:31:31 pm
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      Reply #95: Aug 13, 2019 05:57:03 pm
      Oh I'm so charged up and looking forward to the game. I'll be adopting a 10 no nonsense attitude going into this game to ensure success. It's so important to me to "win at all costs" because I'm looking at Man City, even if it makes me less of a human. So here are the 10. So excited! ;D

      "I expect us to walk this game, nothing less than 8-0. No one is allowed to take foot off the gas. Even it means risking their bodies. They're paid sh*t loads to destory their bodies for our entertainment."
      "I will not tolerate any complacency by any of the lads. They'll get the stick from me."
      "I will not praise the lads if they do well, because if it gets into their head, they will become complacent. Anyway I've never been happy with them because they're never perfect. A no carrot approach ensures success."
      "I shall not celebrate if we score tap-ins. To me these are low level goals, with no pride. All 8 goals have to be spectacular Hollywood balls."
      "I'll yawn if Adrian plays because he ain't good enough for me despite being good enough for Klopp. I prefer world class subs. I expect Adrian to save everything. To me, every shot can be saved. So he has no excuse. Let in a goal, and I've told you so, Adrian ain't good enough."
      "I'll complain till the cows come home over a single sign of sloppiness even if we win 8-0. Can't let it get to the lads."
      "Quality full throttle entertainment is what I expect and rightly so because I'm a fan and we have the right to demand even if we don't pay the club a single cent. More importantly, Man city. We must be better than them."
      "Backpasses will not be tolerated. Not allowed to keep the ball and rest. They've got to keep attacking to satisfy my desire for full 90m entertainment."
      "I expect our best starting 11 to play 90m. Our bench cannot compete because the drop in quality is too great. Unlike Man City. Also, I don't really trust our bench!"
      "Lastly, if we lose I'm waiting or blame Klopp for not buying Nicolas Pepe who WANTS to join us. Which player wouldn't want to join the CL champions? Those who wouldn't have no ambition."

      Sorry for my negativity. Nonetheless this view of "mine" is valid. Because I aspire to be the saddest most negative souless fan. And really, that's my own problem. Nothing wrong.  :aaliverpool2xt1:

      You'd pity my child because I'd whip them like that till they're champions in school. I'm sure you won't want to be my staff either since my management style is a stick approach with absolutely no carrots.

      Anyway time to go get a life now... Until kickoff. And mind you I'm going in with this mentality because "I love the club more than any other fan!" You can disagree with me. But you might "risk me labelling you by some funny names, depending on my mood".

      Just kidding and don't worry. I have no right to judge you. I didn't know being a Liverpool fan can be so miserable. Ok, I'll take back all I've said. I only wanted to be FRANK. I'll enjoy the game and be behind every one of the lads. Maybe 3-0 to us. Let's go!

       :laugh:
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #96: Aug 13, 2019 06:26:42 pm
      1. I don't expect many changes, if any.

      Mane for Origi

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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #97: Aug 13, 2019 06:55:34 pm
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #98: Aug 13, 2019 07:08:14 pm

      Just watched that. He was under his own power and seemed to be flexing his calf a bit. He wasn't even limping, but deffo left w a trainer. Hopefully they just had concert tickets.
      « Last Edit: Aug 13, 2019 07:18:17 pm by Robby The Z »
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      Re: UEFA Super Cup: Liverpool v Chelsea. 14 August KO 20:00 BST
      Reply #99: Aug 13, 2019 07:17:58 pm
      The rest of the training was awesome to watch. After the warmups and team bonding gauntlet running and head slapping, they played three groups of 7-8  rondos. veteran British players all together with Mane in one group.

      Next they did a pattern of play.drill with three lines beginning at edge of 18, no defenders and a lot of 1v1 shooting with keepers. Adrian and Lonergan each made some nice saves. Salah was good in these as you would expect, while Fabinho and Harvey Elliott also showed some nice finished. Players, Klopp and coached were smiling throughout these drills. Then they went to an 11v11 in a 40-yard grid. The feed stopped during this but it was good to see them all (except Naby) taking part.

      This has got me right hyped for tomorrow's match.
      « Last Edit: Aug 13, 2019 08:30:11 pm by Robby The Z »

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