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      Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion

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      adammac
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #675: Aug 15, 2019 03:44:56 pm
      I thought the game reminded me a bit of the Citeh game where we came out really flat in the first half. The mid-field could not get a foothold in the game at all, thought it was way too easy at times for Chelsea to pass and run through the middle and they had so much time on the ball (especially Perdo) to dwell on it and pick out a pass. I thought Fabinho and Milner were not winning at of the balls in the middle and were poor tackling when needed. Kante was just running around and controlling the middle for fun.

      Second half we came out much better aided by having Firmino who we could play to up top and thought could of had it wrapped up in early but in traditional fashion we made things harder then they needed to be. I will say a great sign is our front three all look very sharp early on this season, especially Firmino who touch, control and passing have been top notch.

      Happy for Adrian who I thought had very good game, it is such a great story going from released by West Ham to playing for the European champions and playing key role in winning the Super Cup.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #676: Aug 15, 2019 04:08:25 pm
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #677: Aug 15, 2019 04:14:57 pm

      Great leg work in those trophy lifts too. He's going to take off one of these days
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #678: Aug 15, 2019 05:51:41 pm
      I agree never a pen. I watched the game on BT Sport and they had a camera angle that VAR haven't got, shows it was a dive.
      I agree with having VAR but surely they should have every angle covered, otherwise what is the point of having it ?
      Anyways, a trophy won, get in.

      Just throwing this out there.. how can there be an angle that VAR don't have?

      It is ridiculous that the broadcasters can check the incident more than the VAR.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #679: Aug 15, 2019 05:55:05 pm
      VAR was a joke last night
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      Reply #680: Aug 15, 2019 05:57:21 pm
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      Reply #681: Aug 15, 2019 05:58:09 pm
      Just throwing this out there.. how can there be an angle that VAR don't have?

      It is ridiculous that the broadcasters can check the incident more than the VAR.

      Its embarrassing tbh. Its going to happen a lot this season if they dont sort it out.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #682: Aug 15, 2019 06:00:45 pm
      I agree never a pen. I watched the game on BT Sport and they had a camera angle that VAR haven't got, shows it was a dive.
      I agree with having VAR but surely they should have every angle covered, otherwise what is the point of having it ?
      Anyways, a trophy won, get in.

      Funny how VAR was supposed to have all angles covered. First f**k up by VAR as that was never a pen.

      First half was poor, we obviously livened up once Bobby came on. Disagreed with Klopp taking off Mane as I thought he was our most dangerous player at the time.

      Great for Adrian to win the game for us with his penalty save.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #683: Aug 15, 2019 06:10:38 pm
      I said before the season started VAR was going to be problematic last night proved it, if they cant get it right for a UEFA Super Cup Final what chance the Premiership ,does that mean if they dont show the ref all the angles every club is open to getting wrong decisions and losing points and dare I say it leagues cups promotion and relegation  .

      We have already played an extra 30 mins already that we didnt need to, in extreme weather conditions the results of which we will be seen on Saturday afternoon if its detrimental to our squad, if you have evidence to disprove the referee's decision surely it must be made available to the officials to over rule the referee if your not going to get the correct outcome of the various incidents  whats the point in having it .As for our penalty claim I didnt think it was but by my understanding of the rules it was,you would be going off your head if that was given against you , no. ??
      Why was there no check who called that shot it certainly hit his hand .
      « Last Edit: Aug 15, 2019 06:16:25 pm by Cad1875 »
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #684: Aug 15, 2019 06:28:43 pm
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      I read that VAR only gets to see replays from one angle ? Is this true ? If so I really don’t see the point in VAR at all because from the first angle I saw on the telly I said penalty all day but when the camera was reversed to the opposite side of the challenge I then thought what a dive ?? If tight decisions are going to be made off only one angle and slow the game in the process I’d rather the refs just make the calls and scrap VAR

      Why did you think it was a penalty with the first angle? We only got to see 4-5 camera angles, the VAR team would have another 20 more or so available. Only one of them has to show a foul, to justify the call.

      The BBC reported that Adrian caught the player on the knee, in that case technically it was not a dive. When he was with West Ham against us in the 2014 run in, he conceded an almost identical foul when he took Flanagan down in the box. Everyone except our fans said Flanagan dived, except he didn't. Gerrard scored the spot kick and we won 2-1.

      On the offside calls, Aldo ranted at the delay for the flag to go up. Gillespie also still doesn't understand why for VAR reasons, the flag doesn't go up until a move ends, despite repeatedly being told why by the commentators alongside them. It's not a rule as such, it's a directive, and it's there for reasons so simple, that even I can understand it. It's not rocket science.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #685: Aug 15, 2019 06:36:38 pm
      Stunning how that penalty stood after the var review. Are they blind
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #686: Aug 15, 2019 06:42:59 pm
      It seems var has it's faults too, there does not seem a perfect solution to these problems yet.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #687: Aug 15, 2019 07:07:17 pm
      Funny how VAR was supposed to have all angles covered. First f**k up by VAR as that was never a pen.


      The dive was comical, reminded me of the TV advert where there's a kid in goal and another kid taking a shot, the ball hit the goalie kid square in the gob he takes a moment to recover and then dives making an imaginary save, the kid's dive looked more credible.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #688: Aug 15, 2019 07:14:54 pm
      Just throwing this out there.. how can there be an angle that VAR don't have?

      It is ridiculous that the broadcasters can check the incident more than the VAR.

      Didn't Carra say that Sky have more cameras available than VAR. Maybe a deal needs to be struck, for televised games.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #689: Aug 15, 2019 07:50:49 pm
      Didn't Carra say that Sky have more cameras available than VAR. Maybe a deal needs to be struck, for televised games.

      In American football and basketball, it's the telecast that provides all the angles. I see 4 people sitting at the monitors, they should be able to show whomever the one that provides conclusive evidence (if there is one).
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #690: Aug 15, 2019 09:25:17 pm
      Didn't Carra say that Sky have more cameras available than VAR. Maybe a deal needs to be struck, for televised games.

      VAR need to consult with the SKY / BT Sport commentators who can check their own footage live on air..  :lmao:
      « Last Edit: Aug 15, 2019 09:30:09 pm by DanMann »
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      Reply #691: Aug 15, 2019 09:27:17 pm
      Why did you think it was a penalty with the first angle? We only got to see 4-5 camera angles, the VAR team would have another 20 more or so available. Only one of them has to show a foul, to justify the call.

      Hold on, are you now saying that VAR have 20 angles to check the incidents?

      Certainly doesn't seem to be the case from previous incidents... and they certainly don't seem to be taking the time to check 20 angles as that would be a few minutes of work right there. There was no actual delay last night. Ref called it, and pretty quickly the VAR gave the go ahead.
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      Reply #692: Aug 15, 2019 10:39:04 pm
      Didn't Carra say that Sky have more cameras available than VAR. Maybe a deal needs to be struck, for televised games.

      Great point mate , if nothing else it would provide them with more angles and information to get it right every time then is down to interpretation which is another box of frogs.
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      Reply #693: Aug 15, 2019 10:50:50 pm
      It seems var has it's faults too, there does not seem a perfect solution to these problems yet.

      I don't believe there ever will be, I see the benefits of video reviews as it been implemented in a lot of sports I follow but see the same pattern of issues when it first comes in. I think overall it will be for the benefit of the game but it won't get every call right and there will be continued debate about it for years to go (especially about when to go to review as oppose to not)
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #694: Aug 16, 2019 01:15:55 am
      First chance to get in here and say GET THE FUCK INNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

      Another Trophy in the Cabinet....46 in all. Back on our f**king Perch where we belong!

      Well done lads. I'll never forget that vision of Jürgen at the final whistle, sprinting to get to Adrian! Iconic.

      My only downside was seeing a Liverpool Fan, yes a Liverpool fan, wearing a halfie/half scarf with those Cu*ts on one half. Was he f**king serious?



      « Last Edit: Aug 16, 2019 01:31:35 am by AussieRed »
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #695: Aug 16, 2019 08:18:38 am
      Why did you think it was a penalty with the first angle? We only got to see 4-5 camera angles, the VAR team would have another 20 more or so available. Only one of them has to show a foul, to justify the call.

      The BBC reported that Adrian caught the player on the knee, in that case technically it was not a dive. When he was with West Ham against us in the 2014 run in, he conceded an almost identical foul when he took Flanagan down in the box. Everyone except our fans said Flanagan dived, except he didn't. Gerrard scored the spot kick and we won 2-1.

      On the offside calls, Aldo ranted at the delay for the flag to go up. Gillespie also still doesn't understand why for VAR reasons, the flag doesn't go up until a move ends, despite repeatedly being told why by the commentators alongside them. It's not a rule as such, it's a directive, and it's there for reasons so simple, that even I can understand it. It's not rocket science.

      I disagree with this, firstly it was confirmed that VAR do not have as many camera angles as the viewers have, which is just nuts. I agree it probably was a penalty, but an extremely soft one and in any case the referee's decision can only be overturned if it is clearly wrong, which it wasn't as it was very hard to determine if there was or wasn't contact.

      As to the discussion on offsides not being flagged immediately then that makes zero sense to me, if a player is offside in any part of their attack then any subsequent goal will be disallowed anyway so why not flag it straight away instead of wasting everyone's time and risking an injury etc? That law/directive urgently needs to be looked at as its nonsense.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #696: Aug 16, 2019 08:37:33 am
      Refs get appraised on their performance in a match,my question is do the VAR refs get appraised if not why not.In most cases the VAR decisions are critical to the match results.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #697: Aug 16, 2019 09:08:09 am
      Only one of them has to show a foul, to justify the call.

      Well that’s a load of complete bollocks because from that one angle it may well look like a foul, but from another angle it can show that it wasn’t.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #698: Aug 16, 2019 12:55:52 pm
      Danny Murphy made point that VAR ruins the spontaneity of the game. Muted celebration etc. But getting decisions right is more important.

      Before VAR what percentage did the officials get right. Probably in the high 80's out of 100.Some refs do better than others. And some decision are subjective.Offsides are more straight forward.Some VAR decision obviously won't affect the result, and won't get the same publicity if a VAR mistake happens, that doesn't affect the result.

      Considering we moan that we get robbed more than most we should benefit from VAR.We shall see.
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      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool (4-5 pens AET): In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #699: Aug 16, 2019 01:58:04 pm
      Danny Murphy made point that VAR ruins the spontaneity of the game. Muted celebration etc. But getting decisions right is more important.

      Before VAR what percentage did the officials get right. Probably in the high 80's out of 100.Some refs do better than others. And some decision are subjective.Offsides are more straight forward.Some VAR decision obviously won't affect the result, and won't get the same publicity if a VAR mistake happens, that doesn't affect the result.

      Considering we moan that we get robbed more than most we should benefit from VAR.We shall see.

      I disagree with that, for example for our first goal on Wednesday, I had a small fist pump but waited until it was confirmed as good before really celebrating, its the same with cricket when there is a review. If anything it makes it more exciting, these luddite pundits need to stop moaning about VAR, its getting bloody tedious.

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