Pre-Match: Southamption v Liverpool (17th August 2019 - 3 p.m.)

So in less than 48 hours we will be in another competitive match. A lot of comments in the SuperCup thread about how the team for this one will be difficult to select.

Some questions:

1, Will Naby Keita be fit for selection?
2. Will Klopp rotate with a number of players having just gone 120 minutes on Wednesday (Virgil, Matip, Gomez, Henderson, Fabinho, Salah) ?
3. Would he consider using kids Brewster, Hoever or Elliott in a match like this?

Personally I love it when we have games so thick and fast as I don't have to wait for the next one (although I'm still reveling in the  trophy won last night). I suspect Klopp prefers one match per week, however.

What are your expectations and thoughts on these and other questions?

So in less than 48 hours we will be in another competitive match. A lot of comments in the SuperCup thread about how the team for this one will be difficult to select.

Some questions:

1, Will Naby Keita be fit for selection?
2. Will Klopp rotate with a number of players having just gone 120 minutes on Wednesday (Virgil, Matip, Gomez, Henderson, Fabinho, Salah) ?
3. Would he consider using kids Brewster, Hoever or Elliott in a match like this?

Personally I love it when we have games so thick and fast as I don't have to wait for the next one (although I'm still reveling in the  trophy won last night). I suspect Klopp prefers one match per week, howeever.

What are your expectations and thoughts on these and other questions?

I think Klopp will have to rotate quite heavily for this match and Southampton would be a good chance to see some of the youngsters get a chance alongside Shaq, Lallana etc

Don’t mind the games close together, some of our best performances last season were over the Christmas period when we had lots of games, think we won every game.

If you are winning then you can’t wait for the next game so sure the players will be up for this.

Training will have been lighter going into the game so I don’t think we will see wholesale changes. I’d expect Bobby will be on from the start, Gini will come in for one of Fab, Milner or Hendo (could be any given they were all terrible vs Chelsea) and Trent will come in for Gomez at RB. Who starts at CB with Virgil is anyone’s guess.

Other than that, I can’t see too many changes. Would Salah drop out of the starting line up? Wouldn’t like to say but if he does then hopefully we go with Shaqiri.

The less changes we need to make the better really.

Can see room in the team for Lallana and Shaq, perhaps Origi too. Theres not much we can change at the back even if we wanted too. I think they all played a part last night except Lovren who we are trying to flog.

Adrian

TAA Hoever Virgil Robbo
Lallana Milner Gini
Shaq Origi Firmino

Adrian

TAA Hoever Virgil Robbo
Lallana Milner Gini
Shaq Origi Firmino

Are you giving odds on this because I'm about ready to mortgage my house and bet the whole thing that this is not the lineup 🙂

Adrian

TAA Hoever Virgil Robbo
Lallana Milner Gini
Shaq Origi Firmino

Yeah you have given that some thought !!

Adrian

TAA Hoever Virgil Robbo
Lallana Milner Gini
Shaq Origi Firmino

That’s never, ever happening.

That’s never, ever happening.

It's good Klopp doesn't think like I do, he? Dude would be out of a job. Part of me would truly love to see some of the names on the sheet get a run though. After a crazy 5 days we need to explore options in our squad. 120 minutes is a MF. I think Lallana, Shaq, and Hoever could do a job. We need them too if we want any chance of winning the league and competing elsewhere

In my opinion, the only question is whether Matip or Gomez partners VVD.  I'm guessing it will be Matip. 

Adrian
TAA - Matip - VVD - Robbo
Fabinho
Hendo - Gini
Salah - Bobby - Mane

Any win will do.  Just get the 3 points with no injuries.  We have a full week between this and the Arsenal match, so plenty of time to get tired legs fresh again. 

In my opinion, the only question is whether Matip or Gomez partners VVD.  I'm guessing it will be Matip. 

Adrian
TAA - Matip - VVD - Robbo
Fabinho
Hendo - Gini
Salah - Bobby - Mane

Any win will do.  Just get the 3 points with no injuries.  We have a full week between this and the Arsenal match, so plenty of time to get tired legs fresh again. 

Matip for me, few wayward passes yesterday but his defending was excellent.

I wouldn’t expect too many changes. I think we could see lallana come in for Fabinho (who looked shattered last night). Other than that it will be our strongest lineup I should think. Gini, Trent and Firmino all back into the starting line up. Seen and read a few posts suggesting Mo could be rested, like fook is that happening.

Fingers crossed the lads aren’t too leggy though.

I wouldn’t expect too many changes. I think we could see lallana come in for Fabinho (who looked shattered last night). Other than that it will be our strongest lineup I should think. Gini, Trent and Firmino all back into the starting line up. Seen and read a few posts suggesting Mo could be rested, like fook is that happening.

Fingers crossed the lads aren’t too leggy though.

Don't think this forum and Liverpool fandom worldwide could possibly cope with the meltdown that would follow lallana being picked as a dm

I expect to see a couple changes to the side to keep some of the legs fresh after tough 120 minutes mid-week. Though i don't agree with it I have a feeling Salah will be dropped for this game with Origi given the amount of time Salah as played over past couple weeks. Soton did not look very good their first match getting taken to town by Burnley but I don't know what to expect but hope boys come out a bit sharper and kill this game off early.

-----------Adrian-----------
TAA---Matip---VvD----Robbo
---Lallana--Fabinho--Gini---
--Origi-----Firmino----Mane

Subs: Lonergan, Gomez, Milner, Hendo, Ox, Shaqiri, Salah

Don't think this forum and Liverpool fandom worldwide could possibly cope with the meltdown that would follow lallana being picked as a dm

That maybe the one "odd" inclusion in the starting XI I could see happening. Jürgen may want to rest Fabinho after Wednesday. He wants to get some minutes for a few more players (he said before Wednesday) and before he said Lallana could play that spot in a match where we are likely to control most of the possession. Adam with Gini and Henderson, Milner or maybe Keita isn't impossible.

But I do think we'll go with standard back four and 3 of our top 4 forwards, with maybe Salah going to the bench for this one.

But you are absolutely right about the online meltdown. 

Adrian
TAA Matip VVD Robbo
Gini Lallana(or Naby if fit)  Milner
Shaq Firmino Origi

Subs: Lonerg., Gomez, Fabinho, Ox, Mane, Salah, Naby.

I can see Lallana starting this one

Gomez back to CB and TAA RB. Bobby for Ox and Gini in for anyone of Midfield

Gomez back to CB and TAA RB. Bobby for Ox and Gini in for anyone of Midfield

Here's a radical idea why not play Lovren as CB,  he should be fresh as a daisy, along with whoever is fitter between VVD, Joe or Matip, perhaps play a different CB each half if they are all knackered.
I'd play Trent as RB but at LB I'd maybe start Larouci or Hoever as Robbo looked knackered at the end on Wednesday.

Midfield I'd definitely play Shaq and Lallana for freshness and again play Hendo/Fabinho one half each or perhaps Milner/ Gini.

Attack is a bit more tricky, I'd play Bobby and possibly start Origi and Brewster and then sub in Mo and Sadio if needed.

Adrian, Trent, Virgil, Robbo, Gini and Bobby all guaranteed to start in my opinion.

That leaves either Gomez or Matip decision to partner Virgil. I would go Matip.

I would bring a fresh Lallana into midfield. That leaves one spot to choose from and who has recovered best. God knows.

Bobby will start. Will Klopp start both Salah and Mane who both played 100 + mins. Maybe one with Origi coming in?

Here's a radical idea why not play Lovren as CB,  he should be fresh as a daisy, along with whoever is fitter between VVD, Joe or Matip, perhaps play a different CB each half if they are all knackered.
I'd play Trent as RB but at LB I'd maybe start Larouci or Hoever as Robbo looked knackered at the end on Wednesday.

Midfield I'd definitely play Shaq and Lallana for freshness and again play Hendo/Fabinho one half each or perhaps Milner/ Gini.

Attack is a bit more tricky, I'd play Bobby and possibly start Origi and Brewster and then sub in Mo and Sadio if needed.

Yep that is very radical

Adrian

TAA Hoever Virgil Robbo
Lallana Milner Gini
Shaq Origi Firmino

So we're planning on forfeiting this match!  That team is just horrible for so many reasons!!

Here's a radical idea why not play Lovren as CB,  he should be fresh as a daisy, along with whoever is fitter between VVD, Joe or Matip, perhaps play a different CB each half if they are all knackered.
I'd play Trent as RB but at LB I'd maybe start Larouci or Hoever as Robbo looked knackered at the end on Wednesday.

Midfield I'd definitely play Shaq and Lallana for freshness and again play Hendo/Fabinho one half each or perhaps Milner/ Gini.

Attack is a bit more tricky, I'd play Bobby and possibly start Origi and Brewster and then sub in Mo and Sadio if needed.

We're into the 2nd league game of the season; a tricky one away to Southampton & people are falling over themselves to make wholesale changes across the board!  It ain't happening!!  Two or three changes at the most.

I honestly don't know what some people are thinking!  This is the league, the Holy Grail, not the Carabao cup ffs!!!

Who ever starts on Saturday due to the 120mins in energy sapping heat, at least the bench will be strong 

Come away with 3 points and that will be a good result after the match,  the travel and conditions in Istanbul.I expect our ex Southampton players to set the pace in this match.

There will be a minimum of 3 changes possibly 4 if Naby fit dont expect wholesale changes

Play Mane, Bobby and Mo upfront and make sure they get fed the ball from midfield.
Sort that and at least one of those three will bag a couple of goals..
It's the best forward line in the league !

It's the Gomez/Trent areas that worry me slightly with that Betrand bombing down the wing whipping crosses in.

Watched their match v Burnley and they were very ordinary and capitulated once first goal went in rely on Redmond a lot for their attacks and will look to catch us on break

Watched their match v Burnley and they were very ordinary and capitulated once first goal went in rely on Redmond a lot for their attacks and will look to catch us on break

Redmond thats him!.. meant to say him instead of Betrand. He's decent on the break.
Always a shady team to play on their home ground.
Positive we'll have the know how to undo them..

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1162303314983358465?s=20

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1162303314983358465?s=20

F***ing Idiot.

How’s your luck like? What a disaster ! James Ward Prowse will have a field day with his delivery’s

My bet is Adrian recovers enough to be fit to play.

As some folk have predicted I expect to maybe see Lallana & shaq starting, Trent will be back in too.

Possibly Origi starting.

Salah played 120mins, expect him to be rested for at least 1st half.

Possibly give Lovren a runout.

Be interesting, he may also just go strong, as its 7 days till next game.

Andy Lonergan in the frame to start. Quite funny in a self deprecating kind of way🙈

Andy Lonergan in the frame to start. Quite funny in a self deprecating kind of way🙈

Even funnier if he saves a pen in the last minute to win us the game !

I can see Lallana starting this one

Yep.
And in the nominal DM role in pre-season he did pretty well.

If you want the DM doing sliding tackles, acting s a 3rd CB, keeping it safe, recycling possession and rarely stepping out, then Lallana wouldn't be the preferred choice.

However, Lallana is an incredibly energetic player, never stops hassling and harrying, wins the ball a lot, is comfortable running with it, and has an eye for a (risky) pass.
It may be more of a risk than some would like, but he's a fine footballer.

I don't think he'll play there, but I do think he'll at least get some minutes.

If it wasn't for the 120 minutes on Wednesday, then I would have said it would be a near enough full strength team, so this is going to be tricky. I think Shaqiri, Origi should start possibly even Brewster. The midfield and at the back will be the problem. Gini deffo, lallana if fit, keita is out. Maybe one of the youngsters. Ox only played 45 so possibly him. Trent will start, possible Lovren if fit and Adrian is looking dodgy to start at the moment so deffo a changed line up but I'm sure everyone will be assessed as there's a full week's break till the next game... Tricky.

Hopefully Adrian will recover from his swollen ankle in time.

                                Adrian

              TAA     Matip     VVD       Robbo

                         Lallana Millie

                              Hendo

              Salah        Mane    big Shaq

Maximum subs used as well i think  as game management will be paramount in this one.

2-1 (Salah, Millie pen)( Ings)

YNWA

We're into the 2nd league game of the season; a tricky one away to Southampton & people are falling over themselves to make wholesale changes across the board!  It ain't happening!!  Two or three changes at the most.

I honestly don't know what some people are thinking!  This is the league, the Holy Grail, not the Carabao cup ffs!!!

I'm basing it on our players falling over with cramp on Wednesday, if they recover in time for Saturday then great, that's even better.

Hopefully Adrian will recover from his swollen ankle in time.

                                Adrian

              TAA     Matip     VVD       Robbo

                         Lallana Millie

                              Hendo

              Salah        Mane    big Shaq

Maximum subs used as well i think  as game management will be paramount in this one.

2-1 (Salah, Millie pen)( Ings)

YNWA

Why Henderson and Milner in the same team? Milner was bloody awful on Wednesday and Henderson must be knackered, along with Fabinho

I can see Lallana starting this one

In goal!!

NB: Team no longer available

I would play like that. Maybe AOC instead of Lallana. We need fresh legs.

I can see Lallana starting this one

Yes. Absolutely, along with VVD, Mane, Lovren and Clyne. But sadly Clyne is unable to complete the lineup. Get it?

Whoever starts, we will be too strong for them and i'm not going for my normal 6-0 prediction, but think we will win 3-1.

I can see Lallana starting this one

I hope not.


Adrian confident he will be okay for the game.

Don't think there'll be wholesale changes, a few knocks here and there will determine who plays or not,
Player's are a lot fitter now than days gone by,and have their own fitness regime's for close season, so they are more or less good to go after pre season and a match or two, some rustiness may still feature for some, Ox in particular,.....

.....                      Adrian
         Trent Matip VvD Robertson
                          Fabinho
                 Hendo             Gini
               Salah Firmino Mane

Can't afford to drop any points at all, that's the standard set from last season,  assuming City win V Spuds we have to match them at the least, 
Dropping points this early only gives added impetus to them slimey kunts from Eastlands , not forgetting the w*nk fest from the pro Manchester media, and ends with extra pressure on us playing catch up,
So it's win win win all season long and keep the pressure on Pep et al.


1-2 to The most successful club in British Footballing history....FACT !!


Back on our Perch


YNWA

A game we must win, should win but have to concentrate especially at the back

Feel this is a game the Reds should win, even after the 120 minute final against the chavs. Going for a 2  1 score line for Klopp's champions.

A game we must win, should win but have to concentrate especially at the back

Sorry, it has to be in STYLE. No two ways about it. Or we will be left behind by Man City. I'm so afraid I'm shitting in my pants...

Sorry, it has to be in STYLE. No two ways about it. Or we will be left behind by Man City. I'm so afraid I'm shitting in my pants...

Arsed about style, just get the three points.

Arsed about style, just get the three points.

Awww... that should hurt. To think I've been setting high standards as a fan, demanding perfection from the team. ...

In hindsight you're probably right... in going for the England job, Sven Eriksen asked Bobby Robson about taking up the job as a foreigner. Bobby Robson said the key is W-I-N win. If you do that, no one will object.

Sorry, it has to be in STYLE. No two ways about it. Or we will be left behind by Man City. I'm so afraid I'm shitting in my pants...

Why does it have to be in “style” - you don’t get any extra points , right now all that matters is getting three points whilst all the players get to full fitness

For this game it's a question of getting the win any way possible. Going to be a very tough turnaround I feel.

Why does it have to be in “style” - you don’t get any extra points , right now all that matters is getting three points whilst all the players get to full fitness

ruthcity has taken to expressing him/herself via the medium of ironic sarcasm.

I must say, I've been quite enjoying it.

Awww... that should hurt. To think I've been setting high standards as a fan, demanding perfection from the team. ...

In hindsight you're probably right... in going for the England job, Sven Eriksen asked Bobby Robson about taking up the job as a foreigner. Bobby Robson said the key is W-I-N win. If you do that, no one will object.

Some new manager was asked if he had a 5-year plan and replied "the 5-year plan is to win games or get the sack."

After struggling to defeat Chelsea Wednesday, I reckon Jürgen is in jeopardy if we don't absolutely maul Saints tomorrow.

Negative I know, but given the circumstances a point here wouldn't be terrible.

Negative I know, but given the circumstances a point here wouldn't be terrible.

Disagree mate, it was drawing games against this calibre of team that handed City the advantage last season, nothing other than a win is acceptable and let’s be honest, even our rotated team should be winning this match.


Hopefully we play better than we did against them last time. But saying that, as long as the points outcome is the same then that’s the main thing!

Wouldn't mind seeing something along those lines:



- Chamberlain back in his preferred position
- Wijnaldum can cover a game at #6 after both Fabinho and Henderson looked knackered plus Milner had a knock on his knee
- Trent and Firmino both started on the bench so should be fresh
- Robertson and Mane were taken off early, they should be good to go
- Salah probably taken off for Origi depending on the scoreline

If we need to score a late goal, can bring on Shaqiri / Henderson, if we need to consolidate a lead, can bring on Henderson / Fabinho.

Saints looked sh*te against Burnley, we'll be fine.

- Chamberlain back in his preferred position

This is something I'm hoping to see. Our midfield on too many occasions can become stale...if that makes sense, very predictable too. We need Ox to start really kicking on with his come back and that isn't going to happen playing him out of position, get him in his best position and take the shackles off. For as good as Ox can be, versatility isn't his strong point because he will go missing and doesn't influence a game if he's out of position, it was his biggest downfall at Arsenal, being played out of position, so I don't know why we would consider making the same mistake. Plus, he'd love to dominate the game against his former team.

Wouldn't mind seeing something along those lines:



- Chamberlain back in his preferred position
- Wijnaldum can cover a game at #6 after both Fabinho and Henderson looked knackered plus Milner had a knock on his knee
- Trent and Firmino both started on the bench so should be fresh
- Robertson and Mane were taken off early, they should be good to go
- Salah probably taken off for Origi depending on the scoreline

If we need to score a late goal, can bring on Shaqiri / Henderson, if we need to consolidate a lead, can bring on Henderson / Fabinho.

Saints looked sh*te against Burnley, we'll be fine.

May be our freshest option overall, save Origi in for Salah, which again might not be needed. I wouldn't mind seeing Ox straight back out there, but in midfield.

Wouldn't mind seeing something along those lines:



- Chamberlain back in his preferred position
- Wijnaldum can cover a game at #6 after both Fabinho and Henderson looked knackered plus Milner had a knock on his knee
- Trent and Firmino both started on the bench so should be fresh
- Robertson and Mane were taken off early, they should be good to go
- Salah probably taken off for Origi depending on the scoreline

If we need to score a late goal, can bring on Shaqiri / Henderson, if we need to consolidate a lead, can bring on Henderson / Fabinho.

Saints looked sh*te against Burnley, we'll be fine.

Bang on for me, especially AOC in the middle three.

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I would play like that. Maybe AOC instead of Lallana. We need fresh legs.

I think that will be the team mate.

This is something I'm hoping to see. Our midfield on too many occasions can become stale...if that makes sense, very predictable too. We need Ox to start really kicking on with his come back and that isn't going to happen playing him out of position, get him in his best position and take the shackles off. For as good as Ox can be, versatility isn't his strong point because he will go missing and doesn't influence a game if he's out of position, it was his biggest downfall at Arsenal, being played out of position, so I don't know why we would consider making the same mistake. Plus, he'd love to dominate the game against his former team.

I think so too mate but he still looks well short of his best form so I think Klopp will use him off the bench and in a he league cup until he can reach his top level or thereabouts. I’d be surprised if he gets the start today.

This game on either Sky or BT..?

This game on either Sky or BT..?

Streaming will be the only option due to the archaic UK laws.

Last day in Greece today so if anyone has  a stream be grateful

Last day in Greece today so if anyone has  a stream be grateful

lfcglobe.co.uk will have plenty on it closer to the time.

Last day in Greece today so if anyone has  a stream be grateful

Have a look around the bars and pubs? Bound to be one showing it cos it’s probably on beinsports or premier sports channels

Have a look around the bars and pubs? Bound to be one showing it cos it’s probably on beinsports or premier sports channels

Did that last week and Wednesday today is strictly family time as last day . So going packing at 3 and just whizzing everything in which will allow some viewing 👌

Why all the concern over rotation?

Play our best 11 and go for it.

They are fitter than we could ever imagine and can handle playing 2 games in 4 days.

It’s live from 2.45 (gmt) on premiere sports

Great. Since no one has come out to oppose this “just/any win” view before KO, let no one after the match accuse those with this view of “lacking ambition/aspiration” or “not loving the club enough.”

More so the players or Klopp for not trying after say for example 3-0 up... Because the select group here’s objective is just to get a win, ugly or not.

Arsed about style, just get the three points.

Why does it have to be in “style” - you don’t get any extra points , right now all that matters is getting three points whilst all the players get to full fitness

For this game it's a question of getting the win any way possible. Going to be a very tough turnaround I feel.

Some new manager was asked if he had a 5-year plan and replied "the 5-year plan is to win games or get the sack."

After struggling to defeat Chelsea Wednesday, I reckon Jürgen is in jeopardy if we don't absolutely maul Saints tomorrow.

Awww... that should hurt. To think I've been setting high standards as a fan, demanding perfection from the team. ...

Should send that as a tweet to Moorsey, you might get a free ticket off him

Great. Since no one has come out to oppose this “just/any win” view before KO, let no one after the match accuse those with this view of “lacking ambition/aspiration” or “not loving the club enough.”

More so the players or Klopp for not trying after say for example 3-0 up... Because the select group here’s objective is just to get a win, ugly or not.

So I take it you weren't impressed with winning number six, because it was won ugly and not in style.

Can't have it both F***ing ways like, know what I mean?

So I take it you weren't impressed with winning number six, because it was won ugly and not in style.

Can't have it both f**king ways like, know what I mean?

You dont really get sarcasm or irony do you?

You dont really get sarcasm or irony do you?

Not when I just got out bed and still waking up. I couldn't give a F**k if I'm honest I just want a F***ing win today ok Rees Mogg jnr?

Let's call it what it is with being unsure about keeper situation, it's pre-match tension.

What mug really believes that if we don’t trounce them today Klopp is in trouble ??

You need to jog on and go find another team.

Adrian passed fit thankfully.