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      Roddenberry
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      Reply #25: Oct 08, 2019 12:30:44 pm
      Very sad how little interest in current affairs the is on this fourum

      I go elsewhere for it as well, nowadays, mostly. Just getting harder to care when, irl, you point out the lie and people double down on it or don't care their belief was based on a fabrication.

      And I'm finding it harder to care about football as well. Not because of on the pitch, but the last half dozen games I've gone to have been blighted by, sadly by our fans as well as the opposition, racism, misogyny and homophobia. I'm just tired of it all.
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      Reply #26: Oct 08, 2019 12:37:53 pm
      I go elsewhere for it as well, nowadays, mostly. Just getting harder to care when, irl, you point out the lie and people double down on it or don't care their belief was based on a fabrication.

      And I'm finding it harder to care about football as well. Not because of on the pitch, but the last half dozen games I've gone to have been blighted by, sadly by our fans as well as the opposition, racism, misogyny and homophobia. I'm just tired of it all.

      That's sh*t.
      The minority who moaned about "PC gone mad" have become very vocal.
      We all knew what they meant when they said they should be able to "speak their minds", even though they denied it.

      This is a dark time in modern UK history, and all thanks to a few posh boys, who think it's all a jolly jape.
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      Reply #27: Oct 08, 2019 01:16:10 pm
      I didn't say it was a lack of interest.
      I was very specific about the reason.

      Sorry Swab, it was more Tezmac saying there isn't much interest.
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      Reply #28: Oct 08, 2019 01:20:18 pm
      I go elsewhere for it as well, nowadays, mostly. Just getting harder to care when, irl, you point out the lie and people double down on it or don't care their belief was based on a fabrication.

      And I'm finding it harder to care about football as well. Not because of on the pitch, but the last half dozen games I've gone to have been blighted by, sadly by our fans as well as the opposition, racism, misogyny and homophobia. I'm just tired of it all.

      Not lost any interest in footie, esp with us in the box seat. Other stuff can get a bit tiresome but the more voices upholding decency and respecting all races etc the better.
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      Reply #29: Oct 08, 2019 01:29:21 pm
      There is may be far less radical thought or action about. In the past the student movement was a lot more free thinking and radical.In days gone by, Johnson proroguing Parly would've sparked a lot more fury, but now there is inertia and a resigned acceptance.

      Principle is on the decline.Selfishness and the pursuit of filthy lucre is at the forefront....said the sometime day trader.

      Dow futures down -178..
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      Reply #30: Oct 08, 2019 05:38:28 pm
      Brexit has dominated the news and there is interest from posters in the Brexit thread.

      I posted on other news stories,Honk kong protests,American politics.Haven't had a reply but I don't think it's lack of interest in current affairs. it's just the way it is. Personally I think there is interest on here in current affairs and the Brexit thread reflects that.

      Brexit is one of the reasons current affairs has gone quieter, back around the time of campaigning and the vote, this part of the forum became a battleground.
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      Reply #31: Oct 08, 2019 06:28:53 pm
      Very sad how little interest in current affairs the is on this fourum

      I feel Brexit and Trump has exhausted people's interest in the news. It's bound to have a spin off effect into news outside of those two spheres. When people see lying, racist, corrupt infused phenomena continuing to thrive is enough for anyone to just give up.
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      Reply #32: Oct 08, 2019 08:03:43 pm
      I feel Brexit and Trump has exhausted people's interest in the news. It's bound to have a spin off effect into news outside of those two spheres. When people see lying, racist, corrupt infused phenomena continuing to thrive is enough for anyone to just give up.

      I agree.

      I actually remember at the time of Trump getting in and the Brexit vote, thinking it was a big f**k you to the establishment.

      I think it has reignited interest, but it has ignited it in such a way that people have to devote a lot of energy to every discussion and know what’s coming back. It’s draining.

      The fact that politicians have moved from ‘bending’ truths to telling blatant lies and an outright denial of facts makes it feel like there is not much point. Personally, I think we are seeing a battle for the future of democracy playing out.
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      Reply #33: Oct 08, 2019 10:13:34 pm
      I agree.

      I actually remember at the time of Trump getting in and the Brexit vote, thinking it was a big f**k you to the establishment.

      I think it has reignited interest, but it has ignited it in such a way that people have to devote a lot of energy to every discussion and know what’s coming back. It’s draining.

      The fact that politicians have moved from ‘bending’ truths to telling blatant lies and an outright denial of facts makes it feel like there is not much point. Personally, I think we are seeing a battle for the future of democracy playing out.

      It's more the media that tells blatant lies in order to manipulate public opinion. If we have a TV debate during an election campaign. You would have all the parties given equal time. And that's right but that level playing field is not reflected out in society. There is a massive right wing bias and it's got far worse in these last 10 years or so.

      In that sense I believe the battle for democracy is almost over.
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      Reply #34: Oct 09, 2019 07:07:17 am
      It's more the media that tells blatant lies in order to manipulate public opinion. If we have a TV debate during an election campaign. You would have all the parties given equal time. And that's right but that level playing field is not reflected out in society. There is a massive right wing bias and it's got far worse in these last 10 years or so.

      In that sense I believe the battle for democracy is almost over.

      I certainly think the politicians do it. We had a television debate as part of the Tory leadership where on national telly they all agreed to an inquiry into Islamaphobia in the Tory party. Never happened, it was swept under the rug and no one mentions it again.

      The press in the UK have gone very much to the right over the last two years, but again they are responding to demand. The politicians have created this environment where people almost ‘want’ to be outraged and upset and unreasonable. Ring wing media feeds into that. We’re becoming a populist state, which seems to be the trend across the globe at the moment.

      Hopefully in 10 years time we will look back on this period and think ‘what on earth was happening there’, but I don’t have much hope.
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      Reply #35: Oct 09, 2019 08:17:39 am
      I certainly think the politicians do it. We had a television debate as part of the Tory leadership where on national telly they all agreed to an inquiry into Islamaphobia in the Tory party. Never happened, it was swept under the rug and no one mentions it again.

      The press in the UK have gone very much to the right over the last two years, but again they are responding to demand. The politicians have created this environment where people almost ‘want’ to be outraged and upset and unreasonable. Ring wing media feeds into that. We’re becoming a populist state, which seems to be the trend across the globe at the moment.

      Hopefully in 10 years time we will look back on this period and think ‘what on earth was happening there’, but I don’t have much hope.

      The mainstream press has been a source of bullshit for years. I used to read six or seven papers a day, front to back. Many have stopped being news, they're opinion sheets. And let's just ignore the gossip in them, but the flat out lies about the EU over the last four decades is astonishing and how they'll tell half truths if the full story doesn't serve the narrative the paper runs. And whilst this happens on papers across the political spectrum, we have far more right wing rags in this country than left wing.

      And it's all run on hatred and fear. Although the grooming gang headlines of recent days were concerning, it was still true that most sexual abuse of children was done by a family member and solo grooming, which affects more children than the gangs, was and still is a white man's sport.

      And it's this road that has led us to today, with so many people not even caring that the man in charge of the country is, by deed and action, unfit for purpose, but they don't care because he appears to be trying to deliver the unicorn they voted for and it doesn't matter it didn't exist.


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      Reply #36: Oct 09, 2019 11:11:55 am
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      Reply #37: Oct 09, 2019 01:36:53 pm
      I certainly think the politicians do it. We had a television debate as part of the Tory leadership where on national telly they all agreed to an inquiry into Islamaphobia in the Tory party. Never happened, it was swept under the rug and no one mentions it again.

      The press in the UK have gone very much to the right over the last two years, but again they are responding to demand. The politicians have created this environment where people almost ‘want’ to be outraged and upset and unreasonable. Ring wing media feeds into that. We’re becoming a populist state, which seems to be the trend across the globe at the moment.

      Hopefully in 10 years time we will look back on this period and think ‘what on earth was happening there’, but I don’t have much hope.

      Agreed and when there is a lurch to the right.When fiscal policy is tightened up, the poor alway take the brunt of it. Another facet to the dog eat dog mentality, in truth started or intensified by Thatcher, is that people do become harder, more selfish.In essence to protect their own positions.That in turn leads to a more right wing perspective.There's something in the old adage.."show me a radical bearded 19 year old activist and I'll show you a 50 year old reactionary Tory"

      Johnson plays the "populist" card well.He knows he has the support of the media, the rich, and those with aspirations and he also panders to the lowest common denominator. He has more baggage than an airport carrosel but he rides along on a wave of goofy optimism. His character wouldn't be out of place on The Fast Show.

      On top of that the Socialist doctrine and its leaders have been demonised by the media. Does it all matter. Probably not. Most don't give a toss as long as they are getting by. In ten years time people will look back and rue over missed opportunities to screw more out of the pot.

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      Reply #38: Oct 10, 2019 08:15:07 am
      Vardygate - possibly the greatest scandal ever seen on these shores 🙄

      https://twitter.com/impressionistal/status/1182005757283319808?s=21

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      Reply #39: Oct 10, 2019 05:40:11 pm
      Meanwhile,the turks act like fascist cu*ts,https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49998035.
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      Reply #40: Oct 10, 2019 05:51:08 pm

      Aided and abetted by that retard President of yours!!
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      Reply #41: Oct 10, 2019 06:29:28 pm
      Nowt to do with me,just like you with Johnston and his gobshites.
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      Reply #42: Oct 10, 2019 07:00:42 pm

      Trump got a new Tower in Istanbul though..🙄
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      Reply #43: Oct 10, 2019 10:42:23 pm
      I feel Brexit and Trump has exhausted people's interest in the news.

      I used to really enjoy Question Time on the BBC.  Actually, sad tw*t that I am, looked forward to Thursday nights!

      Brexit, the endemic racism amongst some elements of the f**king moronic British public and people failing to see past the ends of their own nose, has kind of ruined a lot of politics and current affairs for me.

      Having said all that, I loved seeing that video today of that fella standing up on that plane before take-off with his peaceful protest.  Loads of angry heads telling him to sit down, asking the air hostess if they could tie him to the seat(!!) and he was having none of it. 
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      Reply #44: Oct 11, 2019 08:34:30 am
      US government and Trump never learn from their mistakes about foreign intervention shocker.
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      Reply #45: Oct 12, 2019 07:26:59 pm
      US government and Trump never learn from their mistakes about foreign intervention shocker.

      Pulling out of Northen Kurdish controled Syria was a level of betrayal by Trump. Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) played a major part in defeating ISIS. They lost thousands in the battles.The pull out, as well as giving Turkey the opportunity to clear Kurdish militias over the border, could see ISIS fighters regroup. Keeping conflicts on the boil doesn't do the US military-complex any harm.

      What should be happening is the reawakening, and reworking of the 1920 Treaty of Sevres,granting Kurds a home land. A new Treaty bringing all parties together to thrash out a long term solution...

      https://www.ft.com/content/871c10c2-e9c3-11e9-85f4-d00e5018f061



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      Reply #46: Oct 13, 2019 02:52:45 pm
      Pulling out of Northen Kurdish controled Syria was a level of betrayal by Trump. Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) played a major part in defeating ISIS. They lost thousands in the battles.The pull out, as well as giving Turkey the opportunity to clear Kurdish militias over the border, could see ISIS fighters regroup. Keeping conflicts on the boil doesn't do the US military-complex any harm.

      What should be happening is the reawakening, and reworking of the 1920 Treaty of Sevres,granting Kurds a home land. A new Treaty bringing all parties together to thrash out a long term solution...

      https://www.ft.com/content/871c10c2-e9c3-11e9-85f4-d00e5018f061





      Erdogan doesn't care, he wants to eradicate the Kurds.

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      Reply #47: Oct 14, 2019 02:49:30 pm
      Erdogan doesn't care, he wants to eradicate the Kurds.

      But his argument is that the YPG are a terrorist group. Linked very strongly to the SDF, and are mostly made up of Kurdish fighters. Putting aside the battles to defeat ISIS, these groups have had long been in league with Kurdish rebellion groups within Turkey. The picture is far from clear, on the one hand Turkey wants a 20 mile exclussion/buffer zone to prevent further border shelling etc from the YPG.On the other hand they need to keep the area stable. Instability could see the regrouping of ISIS which no side really wants.

      Looks like Syria are sending forces to back up YPG and SDF.Russia has said it will stay out of it. It's a mess made worse by the US withdrawal. The Kurds for their part will never rest till they get a settled home land. Problem is Kurds are in Syria,Turkey,Iraq,Iran and one or two other countries.And have faced years of persecution. They needs a settled home land in the same way the Palestinians do.

      The US should've stayed on and tried at least to bring about settled peace talks along the lines of a road map to a settlement for the Kurds. May be Turkey have been heavy handed but these regions have seen numerous conflicts down the years so I don't suppose a settlement is on the horizon.
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      Reply #48: Oct 14, 2019 04:20:29 pm
      Dallas Texas,https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50044939. Police knocked at my apt door a few months back around 2.30 a.m i just opened the door,didn't even think about getting shot but i'm a white guy!
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      Reply #49: Oct 14, 2019 07:21:05 pm
      Dallas Texas,https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50044939. Police knocked at my apt door a few months back around 2.30 a.m i just opened the door,didn't even think about getting shot but i'm a white guy!

      I was watching Simon Reeve's The Americas documentary last night. He was talking to a lady who was forced into a cell overnight just for having one tail light on her car that wasn't working. All because she was black.

      They also talked about the explosion of the penal system as an industry there and the exploitation of prisoners working for just a few dollars a day.
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