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      Reply #1000: Jan 14, 2022 08:48:40 am
      Once again a women going about her daily life cut short.. women need far more protection.

      Death penalty… I’m in.

      I’m against death penalties. Too many miscarriages of justice and corruption for me to be happy with that.
      I would like to see life means life behind bars. Not 20 years, but life. And no rewards for good behaviour etc. Too many of these prison lifestyles are like centre parcs holidays.
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      Reply #1001: Jan 14, 2022 09:41:30 am
      I’m against death penalties. Too many miscarriages of justice and corruption for me to be happy with that.
      I would like to see life means life behind bars. Not 20 years, but life. And no rewards for good behaviour etc. Too many of these prison lifestyles are like centre parcs holidays.

      Yep that sums it up

      You can release an innocent man , but you can resurrect him

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      Reply #1002: Jan 14, 2022 09:49:11 am
      Yep that sums it up

      You can release an innocent man , but you can resurrect him



      100%.

      The crime being talked about is horrendous but doesn't change my view on the death penalty.

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      Reply #1003: Jan 14, 2022 11:23:18 am
      So that Austrian that imprisoned and raped his daughter for years on end doesn't deserve the death penalty?
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      Reply #1004: Jan 14, 2022 11:49:33 am
      So that Austrian that imprisoned and raped his daughter for years on end doesn't deserve the death penalty?

      For me in a word? No.

      I don't believe in taking someone's life as a means of punishment.
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      Reply #1005: Jan 14, 2022 12:25:11 pm
      For me in a word? No.

      I don't believe in taking someone's life as a means of punishment.

      Fair enough. My views on punishment are an eye for an eye (through the authorities) and some crimes are worthy of death. Some crimes have taken so much away from the victim that it can never be replaced and thus fitting is your life.

      I also believe if the victim forgives the perpetrator then that's it over.
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      Reply #1006: Jan 14, 2022 03:30:02 pm
      The Qanon bellends are at it again

      As Trump ramps up his 2024 Presidential efforts, Qanon are bound to be resurgent and lets face it they are nothing if not entertaining.

      Following on from JFK and JFK jnr not turning up at Deeley Plaza or the Rolling Stones concert later, they now believe that Lennon and Tupac are returning to play a concert at Trump's rally in Denver on Saturday.

      They also state that Biden is not the President and has never lived or worked at the White House and its all been the making of a film, filmed on a set in Culver City Los Angeles.

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/qa ... d=msedgntp
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      Reply #1007: Jan 14, 2022 03:32:19 pm
      Fair enough. My views on punishment are an eye for an eye (through the authorities) and some crimes are worthy of death.

      F**k it then give the bizzies the option to shoot to kill, what could go wrong there.
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      Reply #1008: Jan 14, 2022 05:48:01 pm
      The authorities are not the police. A man MUST be put to trial and found guilty before his death penalty. Also, none of that sitting on death row for twenty years before you're a goner. Process the paperwork and he's out of here. That'll deter rape and murder I can promise you that.
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      Reply #1009: Jan 14, 2022 06:01:09 pm
      That'll deter rape and murder I can promise you that.

      I'm not sure there's any evidence to support this.
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      Reply #1010: Jan 14, 2022 06:21:42 pm
      There are countries in the world that have the death penalty and it hasn’t deterred or stopped killings in those countries..

      But… they say an eye for an eye would make the world blind..

      Hard to say this to someone who has lost a loved one from murder…

      If the bereaved chooses to forgive the murderer then they have the bigger heart
      & it should mean the murderer will Serve their  time Behind bars…

      I’m All in for for repeated offenders of murder, rape & child hurters..
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      Reply #1011: Jan 14, 2022 06:25:45 pm
      I'm not sure there's any evidence to support this.

      Go look at the rape stats. Top ten highest countries for rape and none of them carry the death penalty for it. Speaks volumes to me.

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      Reply #1012: Jan 14, 2022 06:30:54 pm
      The authorities are not the police. A man MUST be put to trial and found guilty before his death penalty. Also, none of that sitting on death row for twenty years before you're a goner. Process the paperwork and he's out of here. That'll deter rape and murder I can promise you that.

      So why is there rape and murder in countries with the death penalty
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      Reply #1013: Jan 14, 2022 06:33:21 pm
      So that Austrian that imprisoned and raped his daughter for years on end doesn't deserve the death penalty?

      I’d hang him by his bollox till they ripped off personally , oh and then hang the Cnut,
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      Reply #1014: Jan 14, 2022 07:02:54 pm
      So that Austrian that imprisoned and raped his daughter for years on end doesn't deserve the death penalty?

      I get why some people would support the death penalty. But for me spending your life behind bars (as in a small cell and no contact except for food) would be far harsher than the quick painless lethal injection...
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      Reply #1015: Jan 14, 2022 07:05:03 pm
      So prince Andrew may have to go to court in the states?
      Personally I’d say no.
      Not until harry Dunn’s killer gets to come to uk to face the courts.

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      Reply #1016: Jan 14, 2022 08:05:18 pm
      Go look at the rape stats. Top ten highest countries for rape and none of them carry the death penalty for it. Speaks volumes to me.



      I'd like to see those stats if you have a link as any study I've read shows no link to a reduction in crime figures with the death penalty.

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      Reply #1017: Jan 14, 2022 08:09:12 pm
      I'd like to see those stats if you have a link as any study I've read shows no link to a reduction in crime figures with the death penalty.

      https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate
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      Reply #1018: Jan 14, 2022 08:14:48 pm
      Not disagreeing at all just don’t think it’s right for labels like nonce etc to be assigned to people unless proven so

      I Think he's a sweaty nonce you think he should be still a Prince, let's compromise and call him Pronce Andrew then.
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      Reply #1019: Jan 14, 2022 08:16:09 pm

      That’s great but rapes still happen in those countries.
      My point is what happens to the guilty person when new evidence comes to light. Or when the victim admits it was all a lie?

      Being found guilty doesn’t always mean they are guilty.

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      Reply #1020: Jan 14, 2022 08:16:34 pm

      Not sure that proves or disproves anything.

      As many countries without the death penalty have low rates of rape crime.
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      Reply #1021: Jan 14, 2022 08:31:52 pm
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      Reply #1022: Jan 14, 2022 08:41:20 pm
      That’s great but rapes still happen in those countries.
      My point is what happens to the guilty person when new evidence comes to light. Or when the victim admits it was all a lie?

      Being found guilty doesn’t always mean they are guilty.

      But if we acted off that we would never prosecute anyone as there's a possibility we got it wrong.

      I'd much rather have people know if you take that persons life you better be sure you done it justifiably because if you didn't you're gone. Would definitely deter people.

      I spent some time in Saudi Arabia. For all their human rights abuses their communites are safe as f**k. Shop keepers just walk out and leave their shops open with full trust that no one will steal anything. Women walk around at 12, 1am in full safety.

      If a man rapes a woman he's dead. Simple.

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      Reply #1023: Jan 14, 2022 09:00:44 pm
      But if we acted off that we would never prosecute anyone as there's a possibility we got it wrong.

      I'd much rather have people know if you take that persons life you better be sure you done it justifiably because if you didn't you're gone. Would definitely deter people.

      I spent some time in Saudi Arabia. For all their human rights abuses their communites are safe as f**k. Shop keepers just walk out and leave their shops open with full trust that no one will steal anything. Women walk around at 12, 1am in full safety.

      If a man rapes a woman he's dead. Simple.

      The death penalty didn’t deter people before and it doesn’t deter people now


      And Saudi feel safe because of barbaric rules that leave some living in fear



      Take this man as example of someone later cleared of rape


      https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/23/alice-sebold-1981-rape-conviction-overturned

      In your eyes he would be dead now

      Same with Ched Evans as an example
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      Reply #1024: Jan 14, 2022 09:04:19 pm
      I'd much rather have people know if you take that persons life you better be sure you done it justifiably because if you didn't you're gone. Would definitely deter people.

      There is no evidence to support the death penalty reduces murder rate.

      None.

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