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      Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #250: Aug 18, 2019 11:18:36 am
      Made up with the 3 points, but thinking our defence is what it is. Solid. Our midfield however is not Jelling like it can, whatever the formation, and thereby putting the defence under extra pressure.
      We clearly don’t cover defensively like we are capable of, and we don’t seem to be pressing as high and with as much urgency as we have.
      Perhaps it’s due to the long week, and for some, the short summer break due to international teams.
      We will get our mojo back that’s for sure, just hope it’s before we drop any points.
      Big game against the arse next. Hope we’re back in tune for that one.
      As for Adrian, give the guy s break.
      He’s done ok for us so far, not brilliant, couple of cock ups, but if he was GREAT, he wouldn’t be a backup for anyone would he !
      He will no doubt learn and hopefully improve as we go along.
      Three games in, six points and a major trophy.
      Also showed sides how to get into city in the charity shield, so their ride might be s bit bumpy this season as well. 😁
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #251: Aug 18, 2019 11:37:46 am
      Made up with the 3 points, but thinking our defence is what it is. Solid. Our midfield however is not Jelling like it can, whatever the formation, and thereby putting the defence under extra pressure.
      We clearly don’t cover defensively like we are capable of, and we don’t seem to be pressing as high and with as much urgency as we have.
      Perhaps it’s due to the long week, and for some, the short summer break due to international teams.
      We will get our mojo back that’s for sure, just hope it’s before we drop any points.
      Big game against the arse next. Hope we’re back in tune for that one.
      As for Adrian, give the guy s break.
      He’s done ok for us so far, not brilliant, couple of cock ups, but if he was GREAT, he wouldn’t be a backup for anyone would he !
      He will no doubt learn and hopefully improve as we go along.
      Three games in, six points and a major trophy.
      Also showed sides how to get into city in the charity shield, so their ride might be s bit bumpy this season as well. 😁

      I agree with this and do think the team will son click into gear, its already showing very good signs, but Adrian needs to cut our the cute passing the ball out sh*t, I'm nervous enough when Allison does it but I want a backup keeper to be as solid and risk free as possible please. We could very easily have drawn or even lost yesterday because of one moment of over confidence, he wasn't even pressured into it, he had safe options left and right.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #252: Aug 18, 2019 12:01:59 pm
      Our midfield however is not Jelling like it can, whatever the formation, and thereby putting the defence under extra pressure.
      We clearly don’t cover defensively like we are capable of, and we don’t seem to be pressing as high and with as much urgency as we have.
      Perhaps it’s due to the long week, and for some, the short summer break due to international teams.


      This part of the post reminds me of a question I've been pondering: What is our ideal midfield three?

      I know depth and rotation are necessary, but if everyone is fit for a given match, which three players are first choice?

      For me Fabinho is one and Oxlaide-Chamberlain (I'm thinking fully recovered and back to pre-injury form) is a 2nd. That essentially leaves Henderson, Gini and Keita as battling for the box-to-box role (and I know we use different systems for different opponents/situations - but thinking as a starting platform here).

      I didn't want to start another thread, but maybe it is appropriate here. Curious as to which three you all like.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #253: Aug 18, 2019 12:39:49 pm
      Have people forgotten already that the start to last season was very similar?

      We were blowing hot and cold then as well.
      And the season before.

      It seems to be a consequence of Klopp's pre-season and early season training.

      Then the lads get their game legs fully up to speed, we click and start playing as we can.

      This type of early season performance is something we've seen time and time again under Klopp.

      Getting the 3 points is all that matters.
      It's all about finding a way to do that.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #254: Aug 18, 2019 01:36:50 pm
      Have people forgotten already that the start to last season was very similar?

      We were blowing hot and cold then as well.
      And the season before.

      It seems to be a consequence of Klopp's pre-season and early season training.

      Then the lads get their game legs fully up to speed, we click and start playing as we can.

      This type of early season performance is something we've seen time and time again under Klopp.

      Getting the 3 points is all that matters.
      It's all about finding a way to do that.

      I agree many times last year teams matched us in the first half but could not continue their momentum in the second half and our superior football and fitness shone through
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #255: Aug 18, 2019 02:00:47 pm
      Great win, good game to watch, could have won by 3 or 4 again, but also southampton could have had another goal or 2.

      Grab the 3 points and move on, what a crazy weeks its been, 6 points and a trophy, now 7 days till the next game.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #256: Aug 18, 2019 02:12:16 pm
      This part of the post reminds me of a question I've been pondering: What is our ideal midfield three?

      I know depth and rotation are necessary, but if everyone is fit for a given match, which three players are first choice?

      For me Fabinho is one and Oxlaide-Chamberlain (I'm thinking fully recovered and back to pre-injury form) is a 2nd. That essentially leaves Henderson, Gini and Keita as battling for the box-to-box role (and I know we use different systems for different opponents/situations - but thinking as a starting platform here).

      I didn't want to start another thread, but maybe it is appropriate here. Curious as to which three you all like.


      Good question, I think it varies on the opposition, in some games we'll want to be more defensive so Fabinho and Hendo as DM's and Ox/keita as AM, in others more attacking so Ox and Keita as AM and Fabinho/Hendo as DM.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #257: Aug 18, 2019 02:52:28 pm
      After a little bit of a shaky first half, that cracker from Mane killed them a little bit. We just carried on our game 2nd half and should of been about four clear before Adriam started handing out gifts. I imagine he won't do that again!
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #258: Aug 18, 2019 02:58:19 pm
      After a little bit of a shaky first half, that cracker from Mane killed them a little bit. We just carried on our game 2nd half and should of been about four clear before Adriam started handing out gifts. I imagine he won't do that again!

      Think the swollen ankle contributed to Adrian’s misplaced pass..😂
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #259: Aug 18, 2019 05:07:17 pm
      The league is now in our hands.....all we have to do is win all of our temaing  matches
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #260: Aug 18, 2019 06:13:24 pm
      The league is now in our hands.....all we have to do is win all of our temaing  matches

      That really made me laugh  :laugh:
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #261: Aug 18, 2019 07:53:05 pm
      Worrying to see another poor start from the guys, starting to become a theme early this season we start slow and build up as the match goes on. Mane goal was really special and knew it would take the stuffing out of Soton who controlled the play the first half. We did very well the second half, played some good stuff and with better finishing should of been up 4-0 make it easy on us but Adrian blunder in typical fashion made for nervy last 10 minutes.

      Again a very positive sign to see if our front three seem to be in good form early which we will need because with Adrian in nets for the next few weeks I feel like clean sheets are going to be rare so need the scoring boots to be on.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #262: Aug 18, 2019 09:06:11 pm
      All well and good the players having
      A full week off between matches.
      I’m doing my nut with boredom already, although come Thursday night I’ll be as nervous as a kitten in a pit bull kennel.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #263: Aug 18, 2019 09:19:23 pm
      I dont think your typical Liverpool good performance was ever likely to be on the cards on Saturday. All that mattered was the win. Its capped off a very good start to the season for the club, in which we have 2 wins in the league and silverware in the cabinet with the hope of more to come.

      All in all about as good as we could have done.

      We will have to improve performances and sort out a few defensive lapses. Arsenal will open us up if we allow them space on the ball and play with a high line like we are doing, but the week in between games will allow us to rest when we need too and work on a few things in the mean time.

      I'm expecting us to be a different animal by Saturday tea time.
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      Reply #264: Aug 18, 2019 10:25:37 pm
      Adrian is very lucky. He made the same mistake twice in this game and only one turned into a goal. I hope he never does that again.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #265: Aug 18, 2019 11:10:30 pm
      Have people forgotten already that the start to last season was very similar?

      We were blowing hot and cold then as well.
      And the season before.

      It seems to be a consequence of Klopp's pre-season and early season training.

      Then the lads get their game legs fully up to speed, we click and start playing as we can.

      This type of early season performance is something we've seen time and time again under Klopp.

      Getting the 3 points is all that matters.
      It's all about finding a way to do that.

      Yep, I agree, the fitness levels aren't quite there as yet. We're still playing a very high line but it's vulnerable because the lads ahead are not pressing the ball with the ferocity or regularity that we are used to seeing.

      Having come through 120 minutes in the heat of Istanbul and then the game at Saints in quick succession I think we will see a fitter team and a more committed press when the Gooners come into town next Saturday.

      I agree many times last year teams matched us in the first half but could not continue their momentum in the second half and our superior football and fitness shone through

      Had this exact conversation with my mate earlier, teams go all out and play at break neck speed against us but it simply isn't sustainable for more than 60 minutes and invariably they fade a little and then get their butts kicked!
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #266: Aug 19, 2019 09:57:32 am
      Yep, I agree, the fitness levels aren't quite there as yet. We're still playing a very high line but it's vulnerable because the lads ahead are not pressing the ball with the ferocity or regularity that we are used to seeing.

      Having come through 120 minutes in the heat of Istanbul and then the game at Saints in quick succession I think we will see a fitter team and a more committed press when the Gooners come into town next Saturday.

      Had this exact conversation with my mate earlier, teams go all out and play at break neck speed against us but it simply isn't sustainable for more than 60 minutes and invariably they fade a little and then get their butts kicked!

      And considering how strong our bench is now, with so many MF options, and Origi being on form we can rotate the front 3 a bit now too. The tactic of starting Origi now and again, then bringing on salah or Mane for last 30mins, boosh how annoying would that be for a defender who has already been ran ragged. ;-)
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #267: Aug 19, 2019 10:02:45 am
      And considering how strong our bench is now, with so many MF options, and Origi being on form we can rotate the front 3 a bit now too. The tactic of starting Origi now and again, then bringing on salah or Mane for last 30mins, boosh how annoying would that be for a defender who has already been ran ragged. ;-)

      Plus Brewster and Shaq who can also play attack, I want to see Jürgen giving them all plenty of minutes and really start to rotate the attack a bit more, keep everyone fresh.
      Its looking good though, especially if we beat Arsenal on Saturday.
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      Reply #268: Aug 19, 2019 11:31:26 am
      This part of the post reminds me of a question I've been pondering: What is our ideal midfield three?

      I know depth and rotation are necessary, but if everyone is fit for a given match, which three players are first choice?

      For me Fabinho is one and Oxlaide-Chamberlain (I'm thinking fully recovered and back to pre-injury form) is a 2nd. That essentially leaves Henderson, Gini and Keita as battling for the box-to-box role (and I know we use different systems for different opponents/situations - but thinking as a starting platform here).

      I didn't want to start another thread, but maybe it is appropriate here. Curious as to which three you all like.


      With everyone fit, if that ever happens, then Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Ox starts for me.
      Although Keita probably gets in there if we ever see him get a solid run of games together.
      Fabinho in the 6 picks itself and then it's 2 from 5 of Wijnaldum/Henderson/Ox/Milner/Keita.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #269: Aug 19, 2019 12:36:39 pm
      Yep, I agree, the fitness levels aren't quite there as yet. We're still playing a very high line but it's vulnerable because the lads ahead are not pressing the ball with the ferocity or regularity that we are used to seeing.

      Having come through 120 minutes in the heat of Istanbul and then the game at Saints in quick succession I think we will see a fitter team and a more committed press when the Gooners come into town next Saturday.



      It's not so much the fitness levels, as fatigue.
      Klopp does double and triple training sessions pre-season, and the benefits later in the season are there for all to see, but it means we get fatigued early season.
      Our schedule certainly didn't help, but this early season fatigue has been a feature of his tenure.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #270: Aug 19, 2019 01:25:03 pm
      Scrappy win and not at our best, but we should determination and i am just glad we got 3 points.  better performances will be on the way.

      Well done lads.
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      Re: Southampton 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #271: Aug 19, 2019 02:20:21 pm
      Good question, I think it varies on the opposition, in some games we'll want to be more defensive so Fabinho and Hendo as DM's and Ox/keita as AM, in others more attacking so Ox and Keita as AM and Fabinho/Hendo as DM.

      I know the roles they play. Which three are your first choice?
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      Reply #272: Aug 19, 2019 02:24:26 pm
      With everyone fit, if that ever happens, then Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Ox starts for me.
      Although Keita probably gets in there if we ever see him get a solid run of games together.
      Fabinho in the 6 picks itself and then it's 2 from 5 of Wijnaldum/Henderson/Ox/Milner/Keita.

      I think the idea in planning the squad 2-3 seasons ago was Fab, Keita and Ox, although midfield is the position with this system that would need the most rotation over a season. And I know we are still waiting for validation from Naby. Hopefully soon.
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      Reply #273: Aug 19, 2019 02:41:56 pm
      I know the roles they play. Which three are your first choice?

      Its hard nowadays to have a 1st choice with so many brilliant players and so many games and so much rotation.

      When all fit though and all at peak of powers, Id probably go with Fab, Naby & the ox. thats really harsh on Gini, Hendo & Milner.
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      Reply #274: Aug 19, 2019 03:00:51 pm
      Adrian is very lucky. He made the same mistake twice in this game and only one turned into a goal. I hope he never does that again.

      All teams are playing their way out from the 6 yard box.Mistakes will happen The Ad man while he's in will have to stay razor shape but the same will apply to AB when he comes back. We should do speciality training to pounce on any slight error by keepers.It's the way it is now.Not everybody thinks it's the best way but were all in for a few flutters..probably at least one a game..may be more.

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