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      FIFA Club World Cup 2019
      Sep 04, 2019 01:07:11 pm
      So it appears it is official that we will take part in the Club World Cup in December this year. This probably being one of very few trophies in the history of the club we have never won. But how important and necessary is it?

      Like last season, it looks like we will compete in a two horse race for the title with City and December is one of the busiest months. With all the travel, extra games and fatigue that could affect the players going into 2020, should we be leaving the first team at home?

      I just think that if come the end of the season we finish behind City by a point or two, will it be because of dropped points during this period and should this be sacrificed for the “greater good”?

      Thoughts?
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      Reply #1: Sep 04, 2019 01:16:56 pm
      So it appears it is official that we will take part in the Club World Cup in December this year. This probably being one of very few trophies in the history of the club we have never won. But how important and necessary is it?

      Like last season, it looks like we will compete in a two horse race for the title with City and December is one of the busiest months. With all the travel, extra games and fatigue that could affect the players going into 2020, should we be leaving the first team at home?

      I just think that if come the end of the season we finish behind City by a point or two, will it be because of dropped points during this period and should this be sacrificed for the “greater good”?

      Thoughts?


      Looking at our December schedule we should be able to rotate quite heavily so I don't see this as a major issue for the players. I really want to win this.
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      Reply #2: Sep 04, 2019 02:41:32 pm
      The one we've never got.

      Lets get it.


      Good topic .
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      Reply #3: Sep 04, 2019 03:23:40 pm
      The one we've never got.

      Lets get it.


      Good topic .


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      Reply #4: Sep 04, 2019 04:20:21 pm
      I just think that if come the end of the season we finish behind City by a point or two, will it be because of dropped points during this period and should this be sacrificed for the “greater good”?

      We won every game in December last year, City lost about 3 in a 4 game stretch but still won the league with us finishing a “point or two” behind. The domestic side of the season is far from make or break in December.

      I want us to win everything, sacrificing isn’t an option, especially something it’s rare you get to compete for.


      To be honest, it’s two extra games. If we weren’t booted out of the league cup so early virtually every season lately then we’d have had them extra games anyway.

      I’m sure the lads are capable of some extra games and ultimately if you want to be successful then this is what comes with it, if people don’t like us playing so many games then follow someone else.
      Not forgetting there is a winter break this season so I think we will be fine with these 2 games.

      « Last Edit: Sep 04, 2019 04:26:42 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: FIFA Club World Cup 2019
      Reply #5: Sep 04, 2019 07:23:52 pm
      The one we've never got.

      Lets get it.


      Good topic .

      We were robbed with 3 disallowed goals mate, need to bag this one..
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      Re: FIFA Club World Cup 2019
      Reply #6: Sep 04, 2019 08:14:45 pm
      There's a gap in the cabinet for this, so for that reason alone, I want us to win it.
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      Reply #7: Sep 04, 2019 08:15:04 pm
      In fairness we should win this at a canter, but we should respect the tournament and win it.

      I expect we will be a more professional team than we were in 05 when Carragher and Hamann attempted to run away from the Japanese police at 3 o'clock in the morning.

      If we turn up we'll walk it.
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      Reply #8: Sep 04, 2019 08:16:25 pm

      Prefer the old division 1 trophy myself anyway.
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      Reply #9: Sep 04, 2019 08:22:14 pm
      We were robbed with 3 disallowed goals mate, need to bag this one..

      I really want to win this trophy! It may be seen as a bit of a token but I feel we have a bit of unfinished business because that match was such a farce from a refereeing point of view and from a personal point of view it brings back awful flashbacks of feeling like I was at deaths door! I remember that final against Sao Paulo being played a week before Christmas and really looking forward to it all week but then I had been taken down a couple of days earlier by a nasty flu.

      Unfortunately it turned into severe pneumonia on the morning of that match which stayed with me for a good few weeks. I remember the weather outside that morning - dark as hell and it never stopped raining. The power went off later that evening and I was a complete mess and disillusioned as to what time of day it was. I was coughing up this rough, rustic fluid and my throat was bleeding from the effort of it all. Add in some sleep deprivation, throwing up, only being able to drink liquids, a rapid heart rate and a lost voice. Bizarrely it took a long time for it to be diagnosed as pneumonia. It was torture and it was two weeks of non-stop hell before there was any sign of improvement.

      I can genuinely, hand on heart, say one of the things that gave me a little energy was keeping myself aware of our results over that Christmas period. We'd already entered it having not conceded for a good couple of months (seriously - our defence was beastly that winter!) and I recall victories against Newcastle on Boxing Day, a derby victory over Everton a couple of days after that. West Brom then followed and then a bizarre draw against Bolton followed. I remember it so well - it's maybe the only thing that kept me fixated, following their scores and listening to Liverpool's matches on the radio while lying in bed. That's the great thing about following a club like Liverpool, they go a long way to comforting you and making life a little less miserable. I didn't have the energy to celebrate their goals or wins (even the derby victory) but it was just great to have that satisfaction of seeing Rafa and the boys doing the business.

      But I'll always remember, most fondly, the absolute thrill of our 5-3 victory over Luton Town in the FA Cup Third Round. I was finally getting better by that stage and my voice was returning (though it'd be a few weeks before I could return to school!) but the sheer energy I got, particularly when Alonso scored that final goal from inside our own half, was fantastic. I still hold it close to my heart and it remains one of my favourite ever Liverpool matches.

      But to return to your point... let's get this b***ard of a trophy.
      « Last Edit: Sep 04, 2019 11:35:35 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Re: FIFA Club World Cup 2019
      Reply #10: Sep 04, 2019 08:37:50 pm
      I really want to win this trophy! It may be seen as a bit of a token but I feel we have a bit of unfinished business because that match was such a farce from a refereeing point of view and from a personal point of view it brings back awful flashbacks of feeling like I was at deaths door! I remember that final against Sao Paulo being played a week before Christmas and really looking forward to it all week but then I had been taken down a couple of days earlier by a nasty flu.

      Unfortunately it turned into severe pneumonia on the morning of that match which stayed with me for a good few weeks. I remember the weather outside that morning - dark as hell and it never stopped raining. The power went off later that evening and I was a complete mess and disillusioned as to what time of day it was. I was coughing up this rough, rustic fluid and my throat was bleeding from the effort of it all. Add in some sleep deprivation, throwing up, only being able to drink liquids, a rapid heart rate and a lost voice. Bizarrely it took a long time for it to be diagnosed as pneumonia. It was torture and it was two weeks of non-stop hell before there was any sign of improvement.

      I can genuinely, hand on heart, say one of the things that gave me a little energy was keeping myself aware of our results over that Christmas period. We'd already entered it having not conceded for a good couple of months (seriously - our defence was beastly that winter!) and I recall victories against Newcastle on Boxing Day, a derby victory over Everton a couple of days after that. West Brom then followed and then a bizarre draw against Bolton followed. I remember it so well - it's maybe the only thing that kept me fixated, following their scores and listening to Liverpool's matches on the radio while lying in bed. That's the great thing about following a club like Liverpool, they go a long way to comforting you and making life a little less miserable. I didn't have the energy to celebrate their goals or wins (even the derby victory) but it was just great to have that satisfaction of seeing Rafa and the boys were doing the business.

      But I'll always remember the absolute thrill of our 5-3 victory over Luton Town in the FA Cup Third Round at the end of it all. I was already getting better by that stage and my voice was returning (though it'd be a few weeks before I could return to school!) but the sheer energy I got, particularly when Alonso scored that final goal from inside our own half, was fantastic. I still hold it close to my heart that match and it remains one of my favourite ever Liverpool matches.

      But to return to your point... let's get this b***ard of a trophy.

      Great post.

      Just the West Ham match to be rearranged  we host Watford December 14, then have a semifinal match on the 18th  in Qatar where I would expect a lot of squad players, then the final on the 21st, probably against a South American side, with our strongest side.

      Win the trophy, back in time for Boxing Day at Leicester.
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      Reply #11: Sep 04, 2019 10:01:43 pm
      If we win it or not, we’re on the f**king charge  8)
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      Reply #12: Sep 04, 2019 10:15:47 pm
      It does look like this years kit has been designed with a place for the cool world club champions logo to go
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      Reply #13: Sep 05, 2019 01:14:02 am
      Nice to be playing in such a Tournament. Who would have thought we would ever play in this tourni with the previous owners and Managers in charge?
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      Reply #14: Sep 05, 2019 01:29:09 am
      Nice to be playing in such a Tournament. Who would have thought we would ever play in this tourni with the previous owners and Managers in charge?

      Is right Oz.

      Rodgers couldn't even get a decent CL team out against Real Madrid in that ill fated game 5 years ago.
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      Reply #15: Sep 05, 2019 01:13:52 pm
      We won every game in December last year, City lost about 3 in a 4 game stretch but still won the league with us finishing a “point or two” behind. The domestic side of the season is far from make or break in December.

      I want us to win everything, sacrificing isn’t an option, especially something it’s rare you get to compete for.


      To be honest, it’s two extra games. If we weren’t booted out of the league cup so early virtually every season lately then we’d have had them extra games anyway.

      I’m sure the lads are capable of some extra games and ultimately if you want to be successful then this is what comes with it, if people don’t like us playing so many games then follow someone else.
      Not forgetting there is a winter break this season so I think we will be fine with these 2 games.
      100% want us to win this, but I'll gladly sacrifice the FA & League cup (by sacrifice I mean putting largely 2nd string teams out) to give us every chance in the big 2 again.

      Think this year and next year, with this current crop of players, will be the best chance we ever have of finally lifting the prem trophy.

      COYR!!!
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      Reply #16: Sep 05, 2019 04:31:16 pm
      Don't want us to sacrifice or give up any trophy. Probably makes me a dinosaur but i don't care
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      Reply #17: Sep 05, 2019 04:39:46 pm
      In it to win it!

      Let's start piling trophies up. When Jürgen leaves i want to see a laundry list of things he has won with us.
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      Reply #18: Sep 05, 2019 04:42:08 pm
      Don't want us to sacrifice or give up any trophy. Probably makes me a dinosaur but i don't care

      I hear you. I suppose our 2ND XI at this point, compared to the lineup for the past two matches, would be:

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      Milner or Hoever, Gomez, Lovren, Milner or Larouci
      Lallana, Keita, Ox
      Shaw, Brewster, Origi.

      If we run that group out for League Cup matches, wound you consider it a sacrifice. What about compared to Brendan's lineup vs. Real Madrid?

      Of course Jürgen could also just make 1-3 changes each match to give everyone a break through the season.
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      Reply #19: Sep 05, 2019 05:02:13 pm
      I hear you. I suppose our 2ND XI at this point, compared to the lineup for the past two matches, would be:

      gK
      Milner or Hoever, Gomez, Lovren, Milner or Larouci
      Lallana, Keita, Ox
      Shaw, Brewster, Origi.

      If we run that group out for League Cup matches, wound you consider it a sacrifice. What about compared to Brendan's lineup vs. Real Madrid?

      Of course Jürgen could also just make 1-3 changes each match to give everyone a break through the season.

      Depends on the opposition. The wolves away cup game for me smacked of just sticking out any old 11 but chelsea in the league was better but not good enough on the night
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      Re: FIFA Club World Cup 2019
      Reply #20: Sep 05, 2019 05:17:08 pm
      Lets go and smash all comers. This is one we have just missed out on previously, its also 1 that the mancs have over on us.

      While Klopp is here we want to win as much as we can.

      This would make a lovely treble of trophy's for this team.

      The squad is big enough and good enough to rotate once the busy winter schedule kicks in.

      I cant wait for this one tbh.
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      Reply #21: Sep 05, 2019 05:18:50 pm
      100% want us to win this, but I'll gladly sacrifice the FA & League cup (by sacrifice I mean putting largely 2nd string teams out) to give us every chance in the big 2 again.

      Think this year and next year, with this current crop of players, will be the best chance we ever have of finally lifting the prem trophy.

      COYR!!!

      We have decent draw for a change in the league cup, so klopp will defo rotate massively in the league cup, and hopefully we go quite far using the squad.

      Hopefully we get a favorable draw in the early FA cup rounds too.
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      Re: FIFA Club World Cup 2019
      Reply #22: Sep 08, 2019 03:08:01 am
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      Reply #23: Sep 08, 2019 10:43:25 am

      Did he miss us beating Barca 4-0 or perhaps he doesn't consider that Barca team full of "galacticos", what a dick! If we turn up then we'll spank any team we have to face.
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      Reply #24: Sep 08, 2019 11:22:21 am

      Who was the last lot to write us off, Barca or Bayern?
      We beat the Champions of France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and wherever else last year. So they lost 1-0 to Madrid 2 years ago, we twatted Barca 4-0 a matter of months ago.

      Trouble is with teams like this is that they know going toe to toe with a team like us they don’t stand a chance, so they try to be billy big bollocks and try the mind games.

      Maybe they should focus on getting past their own semi final before even thinking about us.
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      Reply #25: Sep 08, 2019 03:30:36 pm
      I expect we will be a more professional team than we were in 05 when Carragher and Hamann attempted to run away from the Japanese police at 3 o'clock in the morning.

      What?! Tell us more about this. Hahaha

      Btw. This could be a rematch of 1981, as Flamengo are semifinalists of the Copa Libertadores this year.
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      Reply #26: Sep 08, 2019 03:33:07 pm
      What?! Tell us more about this. Hahaha

      Btw. This could be a rematch of 1981, as Flamengo are semifinalists of the Copa Libertadores this year.

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      Reply #27: Sep 08, 2019 03:47:07 pm
      What?! Tell us more about this. Hahaha

      Btw. This could be a rematch of 1981, as Flamengo are semifinalists of the Copa Libertadores this year.

      I wish we had the Copa Libertadores live on TV here in the UK. I know BT Sport use to screen it but even then it seemed bottom of the bill.
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      Reply #29: Sep 09, 2019 01:30:44 pm
      South American team to be decided on 23rd November (Copa Libertadores final) and African side to be decided on 24th November.

      I can see why the South American sides have been so dominant in this competition under that format - you've got the guarantee of a team bang in form just weeks before this competition.

      Semi Finals of Copa Libertadores played in October.

      River Plate (ARG) v Boca Juniors (ARG)
      Gremio (BRA) v Flamengo (BRA)

      I could be wrong but I think the only side we've played out of them is Flamengo when they beat us in 1981.
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      Reply #30: Sep 09, 2019 01:41:33 pm
      South American team to be decided on 23rd November (Copa Libertadores final) and African side to be decided on 24th November.

      I can see why the South American sides have been so dominant in this competition under that format - you've got the guarantee of a team bang in form just weeks before this competition.

      Semi Finals of Copa Libertadores played in October.

      River Plate (ARG) v Boca Juniors (ARG)
      Gremio (BRA) v Flamengo (BRA)

      I could be wrong but I think the only side we've played out of them is Flamengo when they beat us in 1981.

      I'd like to think the Premiership is reasonably competitive plus we have CL games, so I'm not sure I quite understand your point. Why would South American teams have an advantage over the European teams?
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      Reply #31: Sep 09, 2019 03:26:23 pm
      I'm not sure I quite understand your point. Why would South American teams have an advantage over the European teams?

      It will be 6 months since the European Champions had won their crown.  It will have been 4 weeks since the best South American team won their title.

      A lot can happen in 6 months e.g. Ajax.  Less can happen in 3 or 4 weeks.

      Thus the timing of the tournament at the moment gives South American sides an advantage over a European team.

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      Reply #32: Sep 09, 2019 03:54:52 pm
      It will be 6 months since the European Champions had won their crown.  It will have been 4 weeks since the best South American team won their title.

      A lot can happen in 6 months e.g. Ajax.  Less can happen in 3 or 4 weeks.

      Thus the timing of the tournament at the moment gives South American sides an advantage over a European team.

      I am trying to figure out the logic in this and I....just....can't.
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      Reply #33: Sep 09, 2019 08:51:38 pm
      Considering that 2 of the last 3 years a team from Asia has made the final (though the to sides who made it were hosting the event) over the Copa Libertadores winners I think Copa Libertadores vs Champions League should not be set in stone.

      We play to our ability and take it somewhat serious we should see it through, we should of won back in 2005 given the horrible calls vs us but anyway looking forward to it.
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      Reply #34: Sep 09, 2019 11:43:58 pm
      I could be wrong but I think the only side we've played out of them is Flamengo when they beat us in 1981.

      That's correct

      I know that Flamengo team off the top of my head, it was that good!
      Raul, Leandro, Mozer, Marinho, Júnior, Andrade, Adílio, Zico, Tita, Lico, Nunes.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVA-eIv0s0
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      Reply #35: Sep 10, 2019 09:50:24 am
      It will be 6 months since the European Champions had won their crown.  It will have been 4 weeks since the best South American team won their title.

      A lot can happen in 6 months e.g. Ajax.  Less can happen in 3 or 4 weeks.

      Thus the timing of the tournament at the moment gives South American sides an advantage over a European team.



      Are you suggesting we are worse now than we were against Spurs in the final???
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      Reply #36: Sep 10, 2019 06:22:53 pm
      I am trying to figure out the logic in this and I....just....can't.

      I get it and for me the timing suits the south americans. 
      Which is a better team the Ajax which lost to spurs or the Ajax in December this year?
      Which is the better team the Real Madrid team that beat us in the final or the team last December without Ronaldo and Zidane? Yes they won and comfortably but which was a better team?


      The point is that firstly after a summer transfer window  there can be drastic changes like with Ajax and Real Madrid.   And secondly the peak of a season is when the major trophies are picked up around that time.   

      Are you suggesting we are worse now than we were against Spurs in the final???

      I think if we played the Barca team that had played 80% of the season in the second leg against the team we have now it wouldn't beat that team 4-0 right now because our team hasn't peaked yet.   But the Barca team would be very close to their peak at that moment. The point is about TIMING.  When does a team peak is subjective yes but winners of major competitions usually peak in the semi's and final or even quarter final.  Our best came in the 2nd leg of the semi final around that time.  The final was another issue about TIMING giving us a 3 week break.






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      Reply #37: Sep 11, 2019 02:01:43 pm
      I get it and for me the timing suits the south americans. 
      Which is a better team the Ajax which lost to spurs or the Ajax in December this year?
      Which is the better team the Real Madrid team that beat us in the final or the team last December without Ronaldo and Zidane? Yes they won and comfortably but which was a better team?


      The point is that firstly after a summer transfer window  there can be drastic changes like with Ajax and Real Madrid.   And secondly the peak of a season is when the major trophies are picked up around that time.   
      I think if we played the Barca team that had played 80% of the season in the second leg against the team we have now it wouldn't beat that team 4-0 right now because our team hasn't peaked yet.   But the Barca team would be very close to their peak at that moment. The point is about TIMING.  When does a team peak is subjective yes but winners of major competitions usually peak in the semi's and final or even quarter final.  Our best came in the 2nd leg of the semi final around that time.  The final was another issue about TIMING giving us a 3 week break.








      but we haven't lost any players since the final so what on earth is your point???
      If we didn't play any competitive matches between the CL final and the world club cup final then you would have  a valid point but we do and the vast majority of them are very competitive as well so we will be every bit as fit and ready as any other team.
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      Reply #38: Sep 11, 2019 10:33:06 pm
      Sorry I thought you didn't get it.  But you just don't want to get it.  I asked to basic questions no reply to neither.
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      Reply #39: Sep 12, 2019 08:08:13 am
      Sorry I thought you didn't get it.  But you just don't want to get it.  I asked to basic questions no reply to neither.

      I did answer your questions by stating that we haven't lost any players as opposed to Ajax and Real Madrid, can you perhaps try to respond to my reply?
      To repeat, why do you think we will be weaker in December this year than we were on the 1st June?
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      Reply #40: Sep 12, 2019 09:30:50 am
      It will be 6 months since the European Champions had won their crown.  It will have been 4 weeks since the best South American team won their title.

      A lot can happen in 6 months e.g. Ajax.  Less can happen in 3 or 4 weeks.

      Thus the timing of the tournament at the moment gives South American sides an advantage over a European team.
      Not sure that's THAT significant a factor this year, moreso the conditions will probably favour the South Americans, assuming it's pretty hot.
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      Reply #41: Sep 12, 2019 09:40:54 am
      Not sure that's THAT significant a factor this year, moreso the conditions will probably favour the South Americans, assuming it's pretty hot.

      Its not pretty hot, the average temp in Qatar in December is 20C so that will probably favour a European team more than a South American one.
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      Reply #42: Sep 12, 2019 09:43:27 am
      but we haven't lost any players since the final so what on earth is your point???
      If we didn't play any competitive matches between the CL final and the world club cup final then you would have  a valid point but we do and the vast majority of them are very competitive as well so we will be every bit as fit and ready as any other team.




      Fit and ready to compete in the group stage for sure but are we ready yet to compete in a CL final?....I think not...timing is everything...if we peak too early we won't have a successful season...ie; win major honours...it's true we haven't lost any players but those same player's will be different from last season...it's a new campaign both domestically and in Europe so there will be a different mindset from that of last season...

      This season domestically at least i think we are already better than last, we will of course employ the same 'One game at a time' theory which almost but not quite brought us the holy grail,  and barring less drawn games this term will have us all delerious come the season's end...

      Reaching our peak is imo some way off yet, but we are fit enough and ready enough to keep us ahead of the game.


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      Reply #43: Sep 12, 2019 03:31:10 pm
      Winning this would be an excellent Christmas present
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      Reply #44: Sep 12, 2019 03:49:48 pm



      Fit and ready to compete in the group stage for sure but are we ready yet to compete in a CL final?....I think not...timing is everything...if we peak too early we won't have a successful season...ie; win major honours...it's true we haven't lost any players but those same player's will be different from last season...it's a new campaign both domestically and in Europe so there will be a different mindset from that of last season...

      This season domestically at least i think we are already better than last, we will of course employ the same 'One game at a time' theory which almost but not quite brought us the holy grail,  and barring less drawn games this term will have us all delerious come the season's end...

      Reaching our peak is imo some way off yet, but we are fit enough and ready enough to keep us ahead of the game.


      YNWA

      If we haven't peaked by December we can kiss the league goodbye. Last year we seemed to peak very nicely in December or at least reach very high levels in December.
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      Reply #45: Sep 12, 2019 04:02:33 pm
      If we haven't peaked by December we can kiss the league goodbye. Last year we seemed to peak very nicely in December or at least reach very high levels in December.

      You're doing it again.
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      Reply #46: Sep 12, 2019 04:42:08 pm

      Sorry, doing what? I just thought I was defending my point of view
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      Reply #47: Sep 12, 2019 04:45:31 pm

      He's not wrong though.

      Apparently the concern is Gremio (or whoever wins Libertadores) would have an "advantage" because they will be at their peak, while we are not (sigh), but yet last December was probably our best month when we went 7-0 in the league.
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      Reply #48: Sep 12, 2019 06:14:38 pm
      He's not wrong though.

      Apparently the concern is Gremio (or whoever wins Libertadores) would have an "advantage" because they will be at their peak, while we are not (sigh), but yet last December was probably our best month when we went 7-0 in the league.

      I am following the discussion, thanks.
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      Reply #49: Sep 12, 2019 06:19:24 pm
      We shouldn't need to be at peak to win this, our form in December should be easily good enough as long as we take it seriously.

      Could be taking the South American sides for granted but I doubt they will be used to our pressing game and quality.
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      Reply #50: Sep 12, 2019 09:09:33 pm
      We shouldn't need to be at peak to win this, our form in December should be easily good enough as long as we take it seriously.

      Could be taking the South American sides for granted but I doubt they will be used to our pressing game and quality.



      Fazakerly, I seriously doubt they would have faced anything like us , the intensity of our play will have them bamboozled and not knowing whether to stick or twist, assuming we’re not going there  for a jolly Jürgen will have the lads ready and take this opportunity for further silverware very seriously, the boys themselves will want to perform and prove that they are one of the best club sides if not thee best side this side of the Milky Way.


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      Reply #51: Sep 13, 2019 12:29:04 am
      Let's go WIN this!
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      Reply #52: Sep 16, 2019 03:43:37 pm
      Looks like we play Monterrey, CONCACAF champions from Mexico if early round games go by form. South American champions will await in the final.
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      Reply #53: Sep 16, 2019 03:55:37 pm
      Looks like we play Monterrey, CONCACAF champions from Mexico if early round games go by form. South American champions will await in the final.

      Just looked them up and their league season finishes on the 15th December before it goes to playoffs.

      They're 11th out of 19 after 9 games so don't look like they are doing particularly well.
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      Reply #54: Sep 16, 2019 04:35:24 pm
      Just looked them up and their league season finishes on the 15th December before it goes to playoffs.

      They're 11th out of 19 after 9 games so don't look like they are doing particularly well.

      Since they play two seasons per year, it is not unusual for the Mexican clubs to take a season off, so to speak. This team would struggle to deal with us at full throttle over 90 minutes, and they don't defend so well. Their strength is in drawing and executing set pieces.
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      Reply #55: Sep 30, 2019 09:19:05 pm
      Just FYI

      Qatar 2022 World Cup venue to host Liverpool games at Club World Cup

      Liverpool's matches at the Fifa Club World Cup in Qatar will be played in a stadium built for the 2022 World Cup.

      The new Education City Stadium in Doha will host Liverpool's semi-final on 18 December - the same date as the final of the next World Cup will take place.

      Fifa has moved the World Cup to a new slot in winter because of the oppressive summer heat in Qatar.

      The Gulf nation is currently hosting the World Athletics Championships, which have suffered from low crowds.

      The Club World Cup will be the next major event there, with Liverpool taking part as Europe's representatives, having won the Champions League in May.

      Jürgen Klopp's Premier League leaders automatically go into a semi-final where they could play local side Al Sadd, managed by Spain great Xavi, Hienghene Sport of New Caledonia or Mexican side Monterey.

      They will remain at the 40,000-seater stadium for either the final or third-place play-off on 21 December.



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      Reply #56: Oct 24, 2019 01:26:04 pm
      River Plate and Flamengo through from SA
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      Reply #57: Oct 25, 2019 03:49:25 pm
      River Plate and Flamengo through from SA

      Did you check out any of the atmosphere in that River-Boca match? I've been in both of those stadiums and it is some kind of experience.

      Of course in Qatar our fans will have the chance to show their quality of support again. I wonder how many will travel.
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      Reply #58: Oct 25, 2019 03:54:58 pm
      Did you check out any of the atmosphere in that River-Boca match? I've been in both of those stadiums and it is some kind of experience.

      Of course in Qatar our fans will have the chance to show their quality of support again. I wonder how many will travel.

      Havent seen any of it and have heard the big game in Argentina is something else. Fair play to you having been in both a bit scary at times I bet . Not sure how many will travel near Christmas I know my brother who works in Riyad saying ex Pat's and workers interested but struggling to get tickets
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      Reply #59: Oct 25, 2019 04:04:57 pm
      Havent seen any of it and have heard the big game in Argentina is something else. Fair play to you having been in both a bit scary at times I bet . Not sure how many will travel near Christmas I know my brother who works in Riyad saying ex Pat's and workers interested but struggling to get tickets

      Not being sold locally?
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      Reply #60: Oct 25, 2019 06:07:53 pm

      We're supposed to be getting an allocation, it's just waiting on information from th club. Some tickets have been on sale exclusively to Visa creditcard holders and also Qatar Airways have been offering deals including flights.
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      Reply #61: Oct 25, 2019 06:58:45 pm

      They are but for the Semis they are being swallowed up by the big companies said its dodgy as different rates for different people etc no problem for the Qtrs though
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      Reply #62: Oct 25, 2019 09:47:02 pm
      They are but for the Semis they are being swallowed up by the big companies said its dodgy as different rates for different people etc no problem for the Qtrs though

      Those early round games (think New Caledonia champion vs. Qatari winners, tend to be sparsely attended. These may be the nicest-looking empty stadiums we'll see.
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      Reply #63: Oct 26, 2019 11:11:18 am
      Am sure I’ll get into it once it starts but I’m afraid I’m not the least bit excited about this competition. Hope I’m completely off the mark but I am struggling not to see it as a huge pain in the ass and potential disruption to our title challenge.
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      Reply #64: Oct 26, 2019 11:43:54 am


      Fazakerly, I seriously doubt they would have faced anything like us , the intensity of our play will have them bamboozled and not knowing whether to stick or twist, assuming we’re not going there  for a jolly Jürgen will have the lads ready and take this opportunity for further silverware very seriously, the boys themselves will want to perform and prove that they are one of the best club sides if not thee best side this side of the Milky Way.


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      🤔 hmmmmmm not to sure about this as Flamengo have a European manager who have been playing the high up field press all season and been smashing every one in South America
      « Last Edit: Oct 26, 2019 09:20:39 pm by verde-rubro »
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      Reply #65: Oct 31, 2019 01:49:52 pm
      I understand the argument in the other thread that a day at Wembley for a cup final is preferred to a trip to Qatar.

      I will say, the possibility of us playing a match vs. Flamengo or River Plate is an appealing one to me. For those who think it would be a corporate friendly, know that to these South American teams it would not be.

      If we go full rotation (think last night's team) for the semifinal against Mexican champions, that will be a tough test as well.
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      Reply #66: Oct 31, 2019 02:29:16 pm
      I understand the argument in the other thread that a day at Wembley for a cup final is preferred to a trip to Qatar.

      I will say, the possibility of us playing a match vs. Flamengo or River Plate is an appealing one to me. For those who think it would be a corporate friendly, know that to these South American teams it would not be.

      If we go full rotation (think last night's team) for the semifinal against Mexican champions, that will be a tough test as well.

      A match against River or Flamengo, if in a decent location & reasonably accessible for both sets of supporters would be an unbelievable spectacle. Which is even more of a crying shame that the game that the tournament is being held in a Sharia Middle-Eastern country. Missing out on the prospect of a once in a lifetime atmosphere
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      Reply #67: Oct 31, 2019 03:58:29 pm
      https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/371410-fifa-club-world-cup-tickets-liverpool

      Yep you read that right - 600 tickets in a 40,000 seater for the semi final and 900 for the final.
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      Reply #68: Oct 31, 2019 04:23:26 pm
      https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/371410-fifa-club-world-cup-tickets-liverpool

      Yep you read that right - 600 tickets in a 40,000 seater for the semi final and 900 for the final.

      1.5% of the crowd.

      I'm all for this competition, but that is a piss take.
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      Reply #69: Oct 31, 2019 04:27:14 pm
      https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/371410-fifa-club-world-cup-tickets-liverpool

      Yep you read that right - 600 tickets in a 40,000 seater for the semi final and 900 for the final.

      They did have some sort of general sale for Visa cardholders (basically anybody who has a bank account) the other day. 20 odd thousand tickets were sold & 16% of those were bought in the UK. I'm guessing the vast majority of that 16% will be Liverpool supporters so could see up to a few thousand over there. Unsure why they didn't just up the allocation though.

      Info from FIFA website below


      "A total of 24,211 tickets to the FIFA Club World Cup Qatar 2019™ presented by Alibaba Cloud were allocated in the first 24 hours of the Visa Presale phase. Fans residing in Qatar and the United Kingdom booked their seats in the biggest numbers (respectively accounting for 60% and 16% of the tickets allocated), followed by buyers from other countries in Europe, South America and the Middle East. The most popular match was unsurprisingly the grand finale taking place on 21 December, to which all 10,085 tickets made available in this sales phase have been snapped up.

      Moreover, with the exception of Accessibility Tickets, all Visa Presale ticket inventory for the semi-final between Liverpool FC and the winners of Match 2 has now been allocated. However, Visa cardholders still have until 31 October at 13:00 CET (15:00 Doha time) to exclusively secure their tickets for the other three matchdays. These comprise the opening match between hosts Al Sadd SC and the OFC champions Hienghène Sport, plus two double‑headers: the second round, featuring the clash between the AFC champions and CAF champions ES Tunis, followed by the encounter between Concacaf champions CF Monterrey and the winners of Match 1; and the play-off for fifth place, followed by the CONMEBOL Libertadores winners’ entry into the fray in the first semi-final."
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      Reply #70: Oct 31, 2019 06:20:23 pm
      They did have some sort of general sale for Visa cardholders (basically anybody who has a bank account) the other day. 20 odd thousand tickets were sold & 16% of those were bought in the UK. I'm guessing the vast majority of that 16% will be Liverpool supporters so could see up to a few thousand over there. Unsure why they didn't just up the allocation though.

      Info from FIFA website below


      "A total of 24,211 tickets to the FIFA Club World Cup Qatar 2019™ presented by Alibaba Cloud were allocated in the first 24 hours of the Visa Presale phase. Fans residing in Qatar and the United Kingdom booked their seats in the biggest numbers (respectively accounting for 60% and 16% of the tickets allocated), followed by buyers from other countries in Europe, South America and the Middle East. The most popular match was unsurprisingly the grand finale taking place on 21 December, to which all 10,085 tickets made available in this sales phase have been snapped up.

      Moreover, with the exception of Accessibility Tickets, all Visa Presale ticket inventory for the semi-final between Liverpool FC and the winners of Match 2 has now been allocated. However, Visa cardholders still have until 31 October at 13:00 CET (15:00 Doha time) to exclusively secure their tickets for the other three matchdays. These comprise the opening match between hosts Al Sadd SC and the OFC champions Hienghène Sport, plus two double‑headers: the second round, featuring the clash between the AFC champions and CAF champions ES Tunis, followed by the encounter between Concacaf champions CF Monterrey and the winners of Match 1; and the play-off for fifth place, followed by the CONMEBOL Libertadores winners’ entry into the fray in the first semi-final."


      So will Liverpool supporters potentially be seated in the same sections as River Plate or Flamengo ultras?

      WHAT could go wrong?
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      Reply #71: Oct 31, 2019 07:15:56 pm
      Not sure they will be many getting up to shenanigans in Qatar.Talking of which is there still a saudi lead boycott going on,would that stop reds from other middle-eastern countries travelling to this?
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      Reply #72: Oct 31, 2019 07:42:24 pm
      Not sure they will be many getting up to shenanigans in Qatar.Talking of which is there still a saudi lead boycott going on,would that stop reds from other middle-eastern countries travelling to this?

      Maybe can't get a flight from some of those places. would have to fly to a separate location and book a separate flight maybe?

      You are right that the penalty (think immediate penalty, like) in a place like that might discourage any hoolie action from going down.  But when the guy behind you is slagging your team....you never know.
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      Reply #73: Nov 01, 2019 12:31:32 pm
      According to the Mirror LFC are considering fielding two teams in two competitions on the same day with the Carabao cup game against Villa and Club World Cup game potentially clashing.
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      Reply #74: Nov 01, 2019 12:35:22 pm
      According to the Mirror LFC are considering fielding two teams in two competitions on the same day with the Carabao cup game against Villa and Club World Cup game potentially clashing.

      When you look at the side that beat Arsenal, that's not really too difficult to envisage.

      The bigger issue will be the coaching staff. While we can make 11 changes on the field and have a handful of others filling out the bench, we can't rotate our management team. So either Jürgen has to choose which one he'd rather manage or he's got to be in two places at once.
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      Reply #75: Nov 01, 2019 12:41:31 pm
      When you look at the side that beat Arsenal, that's not really too difficult to envisage.

      The bigger issue will be the coaching staff. While we can make 11 changes on the field and have a handful of others filling out the bench, we can't rotate our management team. So either Jürgen has to choose which one he'd rather manage or he's got to be in two places at once.

      Just have the U23 coach do the Carabao cup game, most of the players are his anyway.
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      Reply #76: Nov 01, 2019 01:23:33 pm
      Would be nice to win it for the collection, but i think this is a competition for the club for prestige.

      Were in it so let's win it!!
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      Reply #77: Nov 01, 2019 02:17:42 pm
      There should be no reason to play two matches on the same day. All the EFL has to to do is move one quarterfinal back and then add one new date for the 2nd leg of one of the semifinals. There's not reason they can't accommodate this as there are enough open midweek dates in late January.
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      Reply #78: Nov 01, 2019 02:43:28 pm
      Glad to see this from Klopp during today's presser. He's definitely going to be rotating the squad during the two matches in Qatar - and can't have a separate match going on at the same time back in UK.

      “I don’t know [when the Villa tie will be held],” replied the manager. “We discussed it already obviously – we have to because there is not too much time to make that decision, but there is no final decision yet.

      “If we would play while we are in Qatar that would be two different teams, but we cannot leave any players at home for the Carabao Cup. We have two games there in a very busy period, it’s not that we can go there with 11 players and say these 11 guys play the two games in Qatar and the other guys play at home in England against Aston Villa. It doesn’t work like this.

      “So we have to make a decision and we will make the decision, but not yet.”


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      Reply #79: Nov 08, 2019 08:36:57 pm
      Anyone seen whose got the tv rights for this,i've not found a listing for us telly yet?
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      Reply #80: Nov 09, 2019 12:17:54 am
      Anyone seen whose got the tv rights for this,i've not found a listing for us telly yet?

      Over here it's TeleMundo in Espanol and something called Fox Soccer Match Pass for English. I think that is something different than the normal Fox Sports App. Watching in Spanish is fine with me, I've done that for some Champions League games already. Only problem is the compression for the picture for those channels on my service makes it all look smaller and far away - but better than nothing.

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      Reply #81: Nov 09, 2019 10:37:27 am
      Anyone seen whose got the tv rights for this,i've not found a listing for us telly yet?

      It's not confirmed, but looking like it will be BT Sports; https://www.radiotimes.com/news/sport/2019-09-16/fifa-club-world-cup-2019-watch-tv-live-stream-fixtures-dates-uk-time/
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      Reply #82: Nov 09, 2019 11:43:53 pm
      When you look at the side that beat Arsenal, that's not really too difficult to envisage.

      The bigger issue will be the coaching staff. While we can make 11 changes on the field and have a handful of others filling out the bench, we can't rotate our management team. So either Jürgen has to choose which one he'd rather manage or he's got to be in two places at once.


      Sorted mate  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:




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