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      Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #425: Oct 09, 2019 02:18:51 pm
      When you look back at this game and the stats, we actually played very well. could have won by 3 or 4.

      I always watch the game again the following day, and we really did play pretty well.

      According to the press of course, we "got out of jail" with a soft pen, but the truth is quite different.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #426: Oct 09, 2019 03:08:29 pm
      I always watch the game again the following day, and we really did play pretty well.

      According to the press of course, we "got out of jail" with a soft pen, but the truth is quite different.

      Yes we dominated but yet again we wasted a lot of good chances, we have to become more clinical otherwise some of these squeaky wins will become draws or even losses. I'm sure the return of Allison will help as well.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #427: Oct 09, 2019 03:35:21 pm
      Yes we dominated but yet again we wasted a lot of good chances, we have to become more clinical otherwise some of these squeaky wins will become draws or even losses. I'm sure the return of Allison will help as well.

      Not picking on your statement here because it is such a common thought (and I've done it too), but that cliche of being more clinical always seems to exaggerate the difficulty of scoring goals at a high level of competition.

      Yes. We did miss a number of chances (said it myself earlier) but if we think about it, how many games are there where a team scores, say....FIVE goals. I bet the percentage is under 10 percent of all Premier League games over 380 total games in a season or over five years, 10 years or 20 years. But then, how many games are there during those time spans where one team or the other controls play for a reasonable majority of the time, or maybe at least a 60/40 advantage?  That number is going to be a lot higher, yeah? SO I think even allowing for some egregious misses, the percentage of chances converted is typically going to be lower than we think it is.

      A couple of anecdotal, mitigating factors to this:

      1. The occurrence of managers or players (or fans) say: 'We dominated" in a game where they really didn't,  seems epidemic in the Premier League. Domination is me wrestling a 5-year old child. Most of what goes on in high-level football isn't "domination," but it may be one team carrying the play. We do that a lot (but it doesn't always result in a wave of goals - true for every team). Remember here that carrying the play usually means the other team aren't getting many chances to score, so it still has value without it bringing all those goals.

      2. Chances that commentators call "easy" chances or one that brings the "should have scored" reflex, I am convinced are often not that easy. Mostly it's a matter of opinion. We all can think of a nightmare miss or two (Peter Van Vossen against Celtic is always the first that pops into my mind. But a lot of other chances are not nearly as easy. I think often we do better to say someone "could" have scored than that they "should" have.

      Bottom line is it's harder to actually score a goal than it is to sit in the press gantry or on the sofa and say someone should have scored one.

      Here's that Van Vossen miss for the unitiated. Walter Smith's expression afterward makes it complete.  :)

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqBK2efZ5TU
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #428: Oct 09, 2019 04:43:03 pm

      2. Chances that commentators call "easy" chances or one that brings the "should have scored" reflex, I am convinced are often not that easy. Mostly it's a matter of opinion. We all can think of a nightmare miss or two (Peter Van Vossen against Celtic is always the first that pops into my mind. But a lot of other chances are not nearly as easy. I think often we do better to say someone "could" have scored than that they "should" have.

      Bottom line is it's harder to actually score a goal than it is to sit in the press gantry or on the sofa and say someone should have scored one.

      Sorry to pick just one part of a good post, but this really is an excellent point.

      I think people forget sometimes just how fine the margins are, not only when it comes to scoring, but all over the pitch.
      All it takes is for a bounce to be not quite as expected, a bobble, even the wind just moving the ball a fraction, simply because the game at this level is played at such a ferociousy high pace, with defenders coming in, knocking the player, getting a nudge or a toe on the boot; in short, loads of things.

      It's easy to watch the slow motion and say "he should have buried that", but the reality is different, not least because TV cameras distort so many things.
      I know we expect these guys to be able to do it, just because they're pro's and playing at the highest level, but probably the best example was the free kick competition video.
      There's Gomez, getting 5/5 then TAA (I think) quite rightly says "yeah, but he's passing it in, try doing that with a keeper there"

      Look at Moreno scoring a rabona from a corner in practice, or any other one of a hundred video's you can watch with players doing incredible things, that never happen in matches, because they don't have the time.

      The wonder is not that players miss, it's that they score the number of goals they do, given all the factors involved.

      Here's a cracking miss from Ronny Rosenthal
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ0Zyj4pYnc
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #429: Oct 13, 2019 08:59:17 pm
      Quote from JD
      Thought we might not win a Premier League game then.

      Silly me.

      Plenty of character and mentality on display today.  The rumours of James Milner's demise were, once again, over-exaggerated.

      Why have we not got a song for him yet? Should we write one for him here, or let the lads in the Sandon do the job?

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      Dont like all the cynical fouls in the game to stop counters but with the rules as they are (yellow card) coaches, players and teams will continue to do it.

      With that being the case I wish we would do it more often ourselves. Not to the degree of Choudary on Mo, but enough to stop a counter attack at the source.

      We do. He's called Fabinho. Starting to worry about the yellow cards he's collecting, hope they don't keep him out of a big game. There's tactical fouls, and then there's wild out of control hacks like the one by Hairbag on Salah. Just as well there's 15 days until the next game, he'll need every one of them to recover in time for the annual trip to the toxic dump.

      The penalty was of course, a stonewall. There's no way VAR is going to overturn that. Pity we didn't have it when Keita's foot was stamped upon, the last time we played them. Could have won us 99 points by May 12. This time we didn't drop any, and we deserved the win. We had to wait a bit longer than we would have liked to get the winner, but better late than never.

      At least, when we come back from the trip to the toxic dump, we'll still be top of the league. Anything more and we'll be laughing. And hopefully Sean Cox will be at the next home game, that will be worth the admission alone.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 Leicester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #430: Oct 14, 2019 01:00:00 pm
      Not picking on your statement here because it is such a common thought (and I've done it too), but that cliche of being more clinical always seems to exaggerate the difficulty of scoring goals at a high level of competition.

      Yes. We did miss a number of chances (said it myself earlier) but if we think about it, how many games are there where a team scores, say....FIVE goals. I bet the percentage is under 10 percent of all Premier League games over 380 total games in a season or over five years, 10 years or 20 years. But then, how many games are there during those time spans where one team or the other controls play for a reasonable majority of the time, or maybe at least a 60/40 advantage?  That number is going to be a lot higher, yeah? SO I think even allowing for some egregious misses, the percentage of chances converted is typically going to be lower than we think it is.

      A couple of anecdotal, mitigating factors to this:

      1. The occurrence of managers or players (or fans) say: 'We dominated" in a game where they really didn't,  seems epidemic in the Premier League. Domination is me wrestling a 5-year old child. Most of what goes on in high-level football isn't "domination," but it may be one team carrying the play. We do that a lot (but it doesn't always result in a wave of goals - true for every team). Remember here that carrying the play usually means the other team aren't getting many chances to score, so it still has value without it bringing all those goals.

      2. Chances that commentators call "easy" chances or one that brings the "should have scored" reflex, I am convinced are often not that easy. Mostly it's a matter of opinion. We all can think of a nightmare miss or two (Peter Van Vossen against Celtic is always the first that pops into my mind. But a lot of other chances are not nearly as easy. I think often we do better to say someone "could" have scored than that they "should" have.

      Bottom line is it's harder to actually score a goal than it is to sit in the press gantry or on the sofa and say someone should have scored one.

      Here's that Van Vossen miss for the unitiated. Walter Smith's expression afterward makes it complete.  :)

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqBK2efZ5TU

      Wow that was a howler.

      I fully agree that chances are probably harder than they look on TV due to the quality and speed of defenders closing them down etc but then again these are the best footballers on the planet who east sleep and drink football from a very young age. A striker one on one with a keeper should score 9 times out of 10 in my opinion, that same striker should be able to lay off a simple pass to a colleague 9 times out of 10.
      I will maintain that we are very wasteful with the chances we create, but the key thing is that we create chances, as long as you do that then there is room for optimism.

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