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      Benladdie3000
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      If you had a choice
      Oct 09, 2019 10:24:16 pm
      If you could align the stars.......

      Would you choose a premier league and league cup double..or champions league number 7 and a fa cup double ??
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #1: Oct 09, 2019 10:36:51 pm
      If you could align the stars.......

      Would you choose a premier league and league cup double..or champions league number 7 and a fa cup double ??
      Welll if I could I’d have the treble we just missed out on in 77 just saying .
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #2: Oct 09, 2019 10:41:12 pm
      Premier League every day of the week.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #3: Oct 09, 2019 10:46:13 pm
      League title. Its been a long wait.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #4: Oct 09, 2019 10:47:48 pm
      A quadruple
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #5: Oct 09, 2019 10:52:31 pm
      100% league - would be the best feeling ever
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #6: Oct 09, 2019 11:36:54 pm
      Premier League, we haven't won it in years although I'm convinced we'll get number 19 with Klopp as our manager.
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      Reply #7: Oct 09, 2019 11:46:24 pm
      Premier League, we haven't won it in years although I'm convinced we'll get number 19 with Klopp as our manager.
      I'd take number 19 over a treble of the others
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #8: Oct 09, 2019 11:53:54 pm
      League title always, everything else is a nice bonus but it's the league I've wanted for a very very long time and this is our year.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #9: Oct 09, 2019 11:54:25 pm
      The League.  Without a doubt.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #10: Oct 10, 2019 01:25:55 am
      At this moment time it would definitely be the league.  I think the league alone is more preferable than any other trophies.  It's been too long!
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #11: Oct 10, 2019 07:41:05 am
      It has to be the league if only to shut Manure up,we have waited far to long.We have done a treble before why not this season.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #12: Oct 10, 2019 09:03:07 am
      League with ease
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #13: Oct 10, 2019 09:05:14 am
      Has to be the league title for me, without a doubt.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #14: Oct 10, 2019 09:07:02 am
      I think everybody in the stands, and perhaps now for the first time everyone inside the club too, would prefer the Title.

      Over the last 30 years the title has arguably not been as difficult to win as it was last year and possibly this year.  We've certainly gone about it the hardest way possible.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #15: Oct 10, 2019 09:12:07 am
      The League with knobs on!!!
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #16: Oct 10, 2019 09:24:24 am
      If we win the league this season, I'll die a happy man!

      I'll take the league only, over all the other trophies in the same season together!
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      Reply #17: Oct 10, 2019 09:32:36 am
      "Premier League". Just to get the monkey off the back and finally shut everyone up. It's the only weapon these idiots have left in their arsenal so if we finally manage to win it they are well and truly fu**ed!
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #18: Oct 10, 2019 11:34:38 am
      Get the league won this year. Still cant beat the prestige that comes with Old Big Ears though.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #19: Oct 10, 2019 01:02:36 pm
      I'd take the league over my wife, so.....
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #20: Oct 10, 2019 01:44:10 pm
      If you could align the stars.......

      Would you choose a premier league and league cup double..or champions league number 7 and a fa cup double ??

      Everything.

      But the league is obvs. the big one.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #21: Oct 10, 2019 01:44:37 pm
      then win big ears as league champions in 2021. :-)
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #22: Oct 10, 2019 02:12:18 pm
      Mad to think we'd gladly lose out on ECL glory for league glory and City would do the opposite.

      Still, we only missed out on two by a single point or two last season, so...
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #23: Oct 10, 2019 02:21:07 pm
      League.

      No brainer.
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      Reply #24: Oct 10, 2019 02:31:05 pm
      Ignoring the fun little cups vs competition that includes lesser divisions and limiting the discussion to PL vs CL, and for discussion purposes, accepting that "all in" for the PL means sacrificing some CL revenue.......

      For me, the questions become: How much money are you willing to sacrifice to hoist the PL trophy and are you willing to jeopardize longer term team success because of less revenue taken in because CL ambitions were set aside?

      Removing the emotional component of wanting to dispatch the MNC evil empire, crush every English rival, and claim British supremacy, myself, along with just about every owner of a PL team would choose Champions League triumph over PL victory.
      Last season, Pochettino revealed the hidden truth that teams prioritize CL play and the obvious reason is enormous fees.
      The bounty that comes from CL success is too substantial to discard and it ensures a financial resource advantage when it comes to competing vs most PL rivals.

      Simple facts: The difference between bowing out in the group stage vs lifting the CL trophy was 45 mill last year and this is not factoring in other revenues available in the CL fee formula.

      Is a PL trophy worth 45 mill sacrifice?

      Most local fans would likely scream "hell yeah" but under their breath whisper "it's not my money so what do I care."
      The bean counters on the other hand, even with their best efforts to monetize their PL winner, know full well the real cost of of abandoning CL ambitions for that elusive PL trophy.

      Look at the narrowing financial gap between LFC and Man City over the past 2 years primarily because of LFC's deep CL runs and Man City's failures.

      Understand, Barcelona's wild overspending for Coutinho set up LFC for the short and medium term but continued Champions League windfalls will be key in sustaining LFC's success, not PL trophies. Unless you want to keep selling stars and replenishing PL and CL rivals in order to fund LFC's roster, CL revenues are essential. Can LFC fans be happy their club's Raheem Sterling sale has fortified Man City over the past several years? Sorry.....it has... and LFC was a willing accomplice (along with Sterling)

      More numbers:

      The financial difference between finishing 1st or 2nd in the PL is 3 million 
      The financial difference between finishing 1st and 5th in the PL is 7.5 million
      In other words....success in the PL does not reflect on the bottom line in a meaningful way

      On the other hand....

      Real Madrid, because of their long term success in CL, gets a check for 32 mill just for qualifying for CL because of their #1 coefficient ranking....a coefficient earned because RM is all in every year, never having to make hard decisions of which trophies to challenge for because of this substantial and recurring CL annuity that helps fund their deep, all star roster (until this year  :laugh: )

      Bottom line:
      For the question posed, I choose CL money over a PL trophy with the long term goal of creating a team that accomplishes both.
      LFC could very well be there right now....but that was not the question posed

      And besides, Champion of Europe > Champion of England .....isn't it?  ;D
      Guess it depends where you live  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #25: Oct 10, 2019 02:35:35 pm
      Nah f**k that sh*te above.

      Give me the league title.
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      Reply #26: Oct 10, 2019 02:40:50 pm
      The Premier League and Champions League double.

      But if I had to choose from the options given, obviously the league title. I think that is a no brainer. 30 years without the league if we don't win it this season.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #27: Oct 10, 2019 03:39:54 pm
      Ignoring the fun little cups vs competition that includes lesser divisions and limiting the discussion to PL vs CL, and for discussion purposes, accepting that "all in" for the PL means sacrificing some CL revenue.......

      For me, the questions become: How much money are you willing to sacrifice to hoist the PL trophy and are you willing to jeopardize longer term team success because of less revenue taken in because CL ambitions were set aside?

      Removing the emotional component of wanting to dispatch the MNC evil empire, crush every English rival, and claim British supremacy, myself, along with just about every owner of a PL team would choose Champions League triumph over PL victory.
      Last season, Pochettino revealed the hidden truth that teams prioritize CL play and the obvious reason is enormous fees.
      The bounty that comes from CL success is too substantial to discard and it ensures a financial resource advantage when it comes to competing vs most PL rivals.

      Simple facts: The difference between bowing out in the group stage vs lifting the CL trophy was 45 mill last year and this is not factoring in other revenues available in the CL fee formula.

      Is a PL trophy worth 45 mill sacrifice?

      Most local fans would likely scream "hell yeah" but under their breath whisper "it's not my money so what do I care."
      The bean counters on the other hand, even with their best efforts to monetize their PL winner, know full well the real cost of of abandoning CL ambitions for that elusive PL trophy.

      Look at the narrowing financial gap between LFC and Man City over the past 2 years primarily because of LFC's deep CL runs and Man City's failures.

      Understand, Barcelona's wild overspending for Coutinho set up LFC for the short and medium term but continued Champions League windfalls will be key in sustaining LFC's success, not PL trophies. Unless you want to keep selling stars and replenishing PL and CL rivals in order to fund LFC's roster, CL revenues are essential. Can LFC fans be happy their club's Raheem Sterling sale has fortified Man City over the past several years? Sorry.....it has... and LFC was a willing accomplice (along with Sterling)

      More numbers:

      The financial difference between finishing 1st or 2nd in the PL is 3 million 
      The financial difference between finishing 1st and 5th in the PL is 7.5 million
      In other words....success in the PL does not reflect on the bottom line in a meaningful way

      On the other hand....

      Real Madrid, because of their long term success in CL, gets a check for 32 mill just for qualifying for CL because of their #1 coefficient ranking....a coefficient earned because RM is all in every year, never having to make hard decisions of which trophies to challenge for because of this substantial and recurring CL annuity that helps fund their deep, all star roster (until this year  :laugh: )

      Bottom line:
      For the question posed, I choose CL money over a PL trophy with the long term goal of creating a team that accomplishes both.
      LFC could very well be there right now....but that was not the question posed

      And besides, Champion of Europe > Champion of England .....isn't it?  ;D
      Guess it depends where you live  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:


      As I thought.

      Not only are you not a real fan, you have absolutely zero idea of how much winning the league means in terms of revenue that it generates.
      The Premier League is perhaps the most prestigious league in the world.
      Every champion see's sales of merchandise rocket.
      The prize money on offer is dwarfed by merchandise sales.

      And that's only if you want to reduce it to money, which you seem to do with everything.

      The emotional value of winning the league, for true fans, far outweighs any financial considerations, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #28: Oct 10, 2019 03:47:08 pm
      The wait for the Premier league is far too long
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #29: Oct 10, 2019 03:55:44 pm
      Ignoring the fun little cups vs competition that includes lesser divisions and limiting the discussion to PL vs CL, and for discussion purposes, accepting that "all in" for the PL means sacrificing some CL revenue.......

      For me, the questions become: How much money are you willing to sacrifice to hoist the PL trophy and are you willing to jeopardize longer term team success because of less revenue taken in because CL ambitions were set aside?

      Removing the emotional component of wanting to dispatch the MNC evil empire, crush every English rival, and claim British supremacy, myself, along with just about every owner of a PL team would choose Champions League triumph over PL victory.
      Last season, Pochettino revealed the hidden truth that teams prioritize CL play and the obvious reason is enormous fees.
      The bounty that comes from CL success is too substantial to discard and it ensures a financial resource advantage when it comes to competing vs most PL rivals.

      Simple facts: The difference between bowing out in the group stage vs lifting the CL trophy was 45 mill last year and this is not factoring in other revenues available in the CL fee formula.

      Is a PL trophy worth 45 mill sacrifice?

      Most local fans would likely scream "hell yeah" but under their breath whisper "it's not my money so what do I care."
      The bean counters on the other hand, even with their best efforts to monetize their PL winner, know full well the real cost of of abandoning CL ambitions for that elusive PL trophy.

      Look at the narrowing financial gap between LFC and Man City over the past 2 years primarily because of LFC's deep CL runs and Man City's failures.

      Understand, Barcelona's wild overspending for Coutinho set up LFC for the short and medium term but continued Champions League windfalls will be key in sustaining LFC's success, not PL trophies. Unless you want to keep selling stars and replenishing PL and CL rivals in order to fund LFC's roster, CL revenues are essential. Can LFC fans be happy their club's Raheem Sterling sale has fortified Man City over the past several years? Sorry.....it has... and LFC was a willing accomplice (along with Sterling)

      More numbers:

      The financial difference between finishing 1st or 2nd in the PL is 3 million 
      The financial difference between finishing 1st and 5th in the PL is 7.5 million
      In other words....success in the PL does not reflect on the bottom line in a meaningful way

      On the other hand....

      Real Madrid, because of their long term success in CL, gets a check for 32 mill just for qualifying for CL because of their #1 coefficient ranking....a coefficient earned because RM is all in every year, never having to make hard decisions of which trophies to challenge for because of this substantial and recurring CL annuity that helps fund their deep, all star roster (until this year  :laugh: )

      Bottom line:
      For the question posed, I choose CL money over a PL trophy with the long term goal of creating a team that accomplishes both.
      LFC could very well be there right now....but that was not the question posed

      And besides, Champion of Europe > Champion of England .....isn't it?  ;D
      Guess it depends where you live  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #30: Oct 10, 2019 04:09:07 pm
      Ignoring the fun little cups vs competition that includes lesser divisions and limiting the discussion to PL vs CL, and for discussion purposes, accepting that "all in" for the PL means sacrificing some CL revenue.......

      For me, the questions become: How much money are you willing to sacrifice to hoist the PL trophy and are you willing to jeopardize longer term team success because of less revenue taken in because CL ambitions were set aside?

      Removing the emotional component of wanting to dispatch the MNC evil empire, crush every English rival, and claim British supremacy, myself, along with just about every owner of a PL team would choose Champions League triumph over PL victory.
      Last season, Pochettino revealed the hidden truth that teams prioritize CL play and the obvious reason is enormous fees.
      The bounty that comes from CL success is too substantial to discard and it ensures a financial resource advantage when it comes to competing vs most PL rivals.

      Simple facts: The difference between bowing out in the group stage vs lifting the CL trophy was 45 mill last year and this is not factoring in other revenues available in the CL fee formula.

      Is a PL trophy worth 45 mill sacrifice?

      Most local fans would likely scream "hell yeah" but under their breath whisper "it's not my money so what do I care."
      The bean counters on the other hand, even with their best efforts to monetize their PL winner, know full well the real cost of of abandoning CL ambitions for that elusive PL trophy.

      Look at the narrowing financial gap between LFC and Man City over the past 2 years primarily because of LFC's deep CL runs and Man City's failures.

      Understand, Barcelona's wild overspending for Coutinho set up LFC for the short and medium term but continued Champions League windfalls will be key in sustaining LFC's success, not PL trophies. Unless you want to keep selling stars and replenishing PL and CL rivals in order to fund LFC's roster, CL revenues are essential. Can LFC fans be happy their club's Raheem Sterling sale has fortified Man City over the past several years? Sorry.....it has... and LFC was a willing accomplice (along with Sterling)

      More numbers:

      The financial difference between finishing 1st or 2nd in the PL is 3 million 
      The financial difference between finishing 1st and 5th in the PL is 7.5 million
      In other words....success in the PL does not reflect on the bottom line in a meaningful way

      On the other hand....

      Real Madrid, because of their long term success in CL, gets a check for 32 mill just for qualifying for CL because of their #1 coefficient ranking....a coefficient earned because RM is all in every year, never having to make hard decisions of which trophies to challenge for because of this substantial and recurring CL annuity that helps fund their deep, all star roster (until this year  :laugh: )

      Bottom line:
      For the question posed, I choose CL money over a PL trophy with the long term goal of creating a team that accomplishes both.
      LFC could very well be there right now....but that was not the question posed

      And besides, Champion of Europe > Champion of England .....isn't it?  ;D
      Guess it depends where you live  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:



      Blah blah blah

      Don't care, I still want the League title! ;-)

      plus your calculations are way oversimplified for example you have no consideration of the extra revenue a League winner will make in terms of extra merchandising etc. Plus what is the monetary cost of losing in the quarters or semi compared to winning the CL, that is a more realistic calculation.
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      Reply #31: Oct 10, 2019 04:14:37 pm
      If you could align the stars.......

      Would you choose a premier league and league cup double..or champions league number 7 and a fa cup double ??

      Wouldn't say no to a Quadruple.
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      Reply #32: Oct 10, 2019 04:18:04 pm
      As I thought.

      Not only are you not a real fan, you have absolutely zero idea of how much winning the league means in terms of revenue that it generates.
      The Premier League is perhaps the most prestigious league in the world.
      Every champion see's sales of merchandise rocket.
      The prize money on offer is dwarfed by merchandise sales.

      And that's only if you want to reduce it to money, which you seem to do with everything.

      The emotional value of winning the league, for true fans, far outweighs any financial considerations, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

      I think if we do win the champions league over the league, it would make sence to leave the cup for the parade & instead bring a big print out of the club's account statement on the open top bus so all of the fans could celebrate the profits we've made that season. Chants of "Are you watching, Manchester?" echoing from the Albert Dock as thousands of reds wave their Official LFC novelty chequebooks in the air
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #33: Oct 10, 2019 04:19:39 pm
      For me, the questions become: How much money are you willing to sacrifice to hoist the PL trophy

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      Reply #34: Oct 10, 2019 04:31:04 pm
      I'd take the league and carabao over the other 2. But if its fa cup carabao cup and number 7 then that's tricky
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #35: Oct 10, 2019 04:35:33 pm
      I think if we do win the champions league over the league, it would make sence to leave the cup for the parade & instead bring a big print out of the club's account statement on the open top bus so all of the fans could celebrate the profits we've made that season. Chants of "Are you watching, Manchester?" echoing from the Albert Dock as thousands of reds wave their Official LFC novelty chequebooks in the air

      Yep, and make sure no one is selling knock off novelty chequebooks.
      Only "official" ones with a 5000% markup

      The club could use the prize money to clone Borg, and the clones could police the novelty chequebook market.
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      Reply #36: Oct 10, 2019 04:36:50 pm
      I'd take the league and carabao over the other 2. But if its fa cup carabao cup and number 7 then that's tricky

      Dead simple for me.

      The League takes precedence over everything else until that monkey is off our backs.
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      Reply #37: Oct 10, 2019 04:48:23 pm
      Yep, and make sure no one is selling knock off novelty chequebooks.
      Only "official" ones with a 5000% markup

      The club could use the prize money to clone Borg, and the clones could police the novelty chequebook market.

      My dad used to tell me of the profits Liverpool used to turn in the 70s & 80s. I can't wait to tell my future kids of the profits we've turned in this generation

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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #38: Oct 10, 2019 05:44:06 pm
      The league!! It's been a long f**king time since I've been able to sing Campione, Campione, Campione Liverpool.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #39: Oct 10, 2019 05:46:46 pm
      Ignoring the fun little cups vs competition that includes lesser divisions and limiting the discussion to PL vs CL, and for discussion purposes, accepting that "all in" for the PL means sacrificing some CL revenue.......

      For me, the questions become: How much money are you willing to sacrifice to hoist the PL trophy and are you willing to jeopardize longer term team success because of less revenue taken in because CL ambitions were set aside?

      Removing the emotional component of wanting to dispatch the MNC evil empire, crush every English rival, and claim British supremacy, myself, along with just about every owner of a PL team would choose Champions League triumph over PL victory.
      Last season, Pochettino revealed the hidden truth that teams prioritize CL play and the obvious reason is enormous fees.
      The bounty that comes from CL success is too substantial to discard and it ensures a financial resource advantage when it comes to competing vs most PL rivals.

      Simple facts: The difference between bowing out in the group stage vs lifting the CL trophy was 45 mill last year and this is not factoring in other revenues available in the CL fee formula.

      Is a PL trophy worth 45 mill sacrifice?

      Most local fans would likely scream "hell yeah" but under their breath whisper "it's not my money so what do I care."
      The bean counters on the other hand, even with their best efforts to monetize their PL winner, know full well the real cost of of abandoning CL ambitions for that elusive PL trophy.

      Look at the narrowing financial gap between LFC and Man City over the past 2 years primarily because of LFC's deep CL runs and Man City's failures.

      Understand, Barcelona's wild overspending for Coutinho set up LFC for the short and medium term but continued Champions League windfalls will be key in sustaining LFC's success, not PL trophies. Unless you want to keep selling stars and replenishing PL and CL rivals in order to fund LFC's roster, CL revenues are essential. Can LFC fans be happy their club's Raheem Sterling sale has fortified Man City over the past several years? Sorry.....it has... and LFC was a willing accomplice (along with Sterling)

      More numbers:

      The financial difference between finishing 1st or 2nd in the PL is 3 million 
      The financial difference between finishing 1st and 5th in the PL is 7.5 million
      In other words....success in the PL does not reflect on the bottom line in a meaningful way

      On the other hand....

      Real Madrid, because of their long term success in CL, gets a check for 32 mill just for qualifying for CL because of their #1 coefficient ranking....a coefficient earned because RM is all in every year, never having to make hard decisions of which trophies to challenge for because of this substantial and recurring CL annuity that helps fund their deep, all star roster (until this year  :laugh: )

      Bottom line:
      For the question posed, I choose CL money over a PL trophy with the long term goal of creating a team that accomplishes both.
      LFC could very well be there right now....but that was not the question posed

      And besides, Champion of Europe > Champion of England .....isn't it?  ;D
      Guess it depends where you live  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:


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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #40: Oct 10, 2019 08:21:34 pm
      Without a doubt the Carabo Cup for me...................... .....fcuk that, the trophy we all want as a true Red has to be the League title.
      It has been too long, number 19 every time for me, then 20,21...................................................and so on..........
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #41: Oct 10, 2019 08:47:24 pm
      As much as I love the European Cup it would have to be the League given this choice.

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      Reply #42: Oct 11, 2019 12:18:49 am
      PL and CL double would be orgasmic!
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #43: Oct 11, 2019 03:30:32 am
      Honestly can't see anyone in Europe right now who'd be favourites against us in a CL knockout stage, so might as well say i want the league because #7 is as good as in the bag.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #44: Oct 11, 2019 07:32:11 am
      Easy decision - got to be the league title. As a near 40 year supporter and the distant memory’s of the 80’s it seems like and is such a long time in the waiting. Had the most frustrating times and a few near misses in the recent past in our league campaigns and can’t wait until we get back to where we belong. The European cup has been thrilling on occasions and we’re top of the tree there so now it’s time to do the same in the league.

      Thank you Jürgen for making it a possibility.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #45: Oct 11, 2019 06:03:17 pm
      Premier league title all day f***in long and twice on Sunday, however I'm a Avaricious wee Scottish B***ard and want the CL too, seriously though if you are a true Red and i believe MOST of us are then the League title stands above all others including No7,

      Now, Another Wee Scot once said about the league title...

      'This is our Bread & Butter' This what we thrive for each and every season,..

      Nothing has changed for me, league titles all day long.



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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #46: Oct 11, 2019 10:41:37 pm
      League all day long

      and another choice for you guys hahahaha

      win the League or manure along with blue noses to get relegated
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #47: Oct 12, 2019 01:35:36 am
      League all day long

      and another choice for you guys hahahaha

      win the League or manure along with blue noses to get relegated

      Us winning the league and the blueshite getting relegated would be the perfect double!!
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #48: Oct 12, 2019 01:36:17 am
      Don’t even get why this is even a question to pose to us true Liverpool fans.
      It’s clearly the premier league.
      I would happily not progress through the group phase of the champions league, bow out against Arsenal in the league cup and endure a humiliating loss to a non league club in the FA cup if it meant we finally got ahold of the league trophy and start to pull back and overtake United’s current haul.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #49: Oct 13, 2019 08:58:08 pm
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      And besides, Champion of Europe > Champion of England .....isn't it?  ;D
      Guess it depends where you live  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

      No it doesn't. It depends on the challenge involved.

      If we accept that the biggest clubs are expected to get to the quarter finals of the European Cup minimum, that gives them 5 games to win the European Cup over 6-8 weeks. Depending on the draw, you could get e.g. City in the quarter finals, or you could score in 5 minutes against Porto and win 6-1.

      To win this league, means being the most consistent team over 38 games in 9-10 months, against all types of teams, in all kinds of conditions, and not always with the strongest team. Games can be played at lunchtime and the next one nearer bedtime. Some can be played in 30c or -3c. Others can be played after a 2 week break, or during Christmas with less than 48 hours between them. All kinds of banana skins in the way to deal with.

      The domestic league is always harder to win and carries greater reward. That's not saying that we should ignore the European Cup. The biggest clubs try to win everything they enter, and so should we.
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      Reply #50: Oct 14, 2019 09:11:27 am
      No it doesn't. It depends on the challenge involved.

      If we accept that the biggest clubs are expected to get to the quarter finals of the European Cup minimum, that gives them 5 games to win the European Cup over 6-8 weeks. Depending on the draw, you could get e.g. City in the quarter finals, or you could score in 5 minutes against Porto and win 6-1.

      To win this league, means being the most consistent team over 38 games in 9-10 months, against all types of teams, in all kinds of conditions, and not always with the strongest team. Games can be played at lunchtime and the next one nearer bedtime. Some can be played in 30c or -3c. Others can be played after a 2 week break, or during Christmas with less than 48 hours between them. All kinds of banana skins in the way to deal with.

      The domestic league is always harder to win and carries greater reward. That's not saying that we should ignore the European Cup. The biggest clubs try to win everything they enter, and so should we.


      I think the European Cup is still the biggest prize in club football. If you look across Europe, it's not uncommon for managers to be seen as "failures" for winning their domestic league but not the European Cup. Some of this will be down to boardroom pressure because of the financial rewards for winning the European Cup but a lot of supporters will definitely feel the same way. Barca have walked the league last few seasons but there's been a lot of unrest in the support because of their failure to win a European Cup in that time.

      I think if you'd have asked our supporters at the start of the 2005 season if they'd prefer the European Cup or the league, I imagine the majority would have went for the European Cup. It's just that we're now at a stage where we haven't won it in so long it's became a running joke & a monkey on our back.

      Another difference between the two is that I'd say it's easier to buy a league title than a European Cup. You can go out and spend millions on a squad and there's a good chance you'll win the league as things like injuries & fatigue won't really have an effect due to the size and quality of the squad. European Cup is a different kettle of fish, evening games, different countries, different atmospheres. That's why your PSGs & Man Citys are often like a rabbit in the headlights because they're used to steamrolling their way past teams in the league & get quite a shock once they realize that playing in Naples or Liverpool doesn't have the same feel as a saturday afternoon domestic game
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #51: Yesterday at 08:41:49 pm
      If you asked me in 2005, if I prefer one trophy over another, I couldn't choose. It's like asking me to choose between one family member over another. Clubs that prefer to win the European Cup, are usually those who could start a league season on -10 points, and still walk it. But I'm sure you don't need me to tell you how many trophies we have in the past 15 years, in comparison to Barcelona etc.

      But it's much easier to win the European Cup now than it was in the Paisley era. We lost 4 games in it last year, yet still won it. You couldn't do that in the Dalglish days. One mistake in a knockout tie, and it usually was, see you next year..if you won your league.

      I take every game we play seriously, even pre-season friendlies. I expect us to win them, but no matter how easy they look on paper, they still have to be won on grass. I want to win everything we enter, whether it's the Charity Shield or the League Championship. That is how I grew up watching this club, building and maintaining an aura of invincibility, and that's what I want today.

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      Agree  mate,
      For the most part when we have faced City we have more than held our own, I would go as far and say we have been  the better side,  last season we cancelled each other out at Anfield in a disappointing way, I thought Klopp erred on the side of caution that day instead of going for their throats,
      At the Emptihad, Kompany should have seen red, goal line technology robbed us of a goal,  Stones cleared one off the line & Salah hit the beans,

      We didn't know it then but that 1-0 City win cost us the title,

      As for this season's little get together I honestly can't see us losing either game, We have their measure, and i think Pep knows this too, with the gap we have already their going to have to come out and play, which will suit us very nicely

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      We were 4 points clear of City after the game there last season. In hindsight, I think the draws against Leicester and West Ham were more damaging. I played them down at the time because while they were setbacks, there was still 3 months to go, and usually a couple of results don't decide your fate with 12 games to go.

      That said, it's very difficult to say a team gets 97 points, yet "lost" the league.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #52: Yesterday at 09:09:53 pm
      If you asked me in 2005, if I prefer one trophy over another, I couldn't choose. It's like asking me to choose between one family member over another. Clubs that prefer to win the European Cup, are usually those who could start a league season on -10 points, and still walk it. But I'm sure you don't need me to tell you how many trophies we have in the past 15 years, in comparison to Barcelona etc.

      But it's much easier to win the European Cup now than it was in the Paisley era. We lost 4 games in it last year, yet still won it. You couldn't do that in the Dalglish days. One mistake in a knockout tie, and it usually was, see you next year..if you won your league.

      I take every game we play seriously, even pre-season friendlies. I expect us to win them, but no matter how easy they look on paper, they still have to be won on grass. I want to win everything we enter, whether it's the Charity Shield or the League Championship. That is how I grew up watching this club, building and maintaining an aura of invincibility, and that's what I want today.

      We were 4 points clear of City after the game there last season. In hindsight, I think the draws against Leicester and West Ham were more damaging. I played them down at the time because while they were setbacks, there was still 3 months to go, and usually a couple of results don't decide your fate with 12 games to go.

      That said, it's very difficult to say a team gets 97 points, yet "lost" the league.

      I think you're quite wrong there. It may be easier to gain access to the competition in that you don't have to be champions to be in the competition. But the fact is, the competition is of a much higher standard for including the best sides from England, Spain and Italy.

      The losses we succumbed to last season said as much about the quality of the teams competing than anything. In fact, I'd say only the loss to Red Star was the only real sticking point when you consider our other losses came against PSG, Napoli and Barcelona away. If anything you've just gone and disproved the point that it's 'easier' to win than in the old days.

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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #53: Today at 07:20:47 am
      This should be no brainer for all. The f***in league!!!
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      Reply #54: Today at 07:30:41 am
      PL = CL > FA-Cup > League-Cup

      No. 7 or No. 19, both have the same Level for me.
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #55: Today at 10:21:18 am
      Whatever permutation you go with, for me it has to include the Prem.
      The domestic cups allow for local fans without the finances or time to travel, to possibly get the opportunity to see their team in a final, at a relatively local location.
      For me, I have to go with the Prem and ole big ears again.
      Aside of that, win the f**king lot 😈
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      Re: If you had a choice
      Reply #56: Today at 10:30:03 am
      Were due a league win, its been too long, its that simple.

      But there absolutely every chance we will win more than just 1 this season, league and champions league double would be freakin awesome man. ;D

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