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      Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.

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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #675: Oct 21, 2019 02:09:14 pm
      "If I had my £90m striker on the bench, I won't hesitate to drop Mo."
      "Besides, I've always liked a cut throat dressing room and training environment where players threaten each other for their starting spots. There is no safe environment and players need to watch their backs constantly for teammates trying to undermine their starting positions. Likewise they should threaten their teammates too." "Players who switch off even in training will be mercilessly sold".

      "I'd like to consistently buy £90m players to come in and threaten my existing players."
      "This will ensure 8-0 score line in every match."
      "Who's Mo? We've used him well. Time to be sold, as he's now down and out."  >:D >:D >:D >:D

      Haha! Being a teacher I thought I was a Sarky Git but I've got nothing on you mate!

      As for the points you raised I do actually believe it would have been a good idea to bring in another front 3 player in the summer but the short-sighted criticism of Salah does get my goat. 

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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #676: Oct 21, 2019 02:20:48 pm
      Haha! Being a teacher I thought I was a Sarky Git but I've got nothing on you mate!

      As for the points you raised I do actually believe it would have been a good idea to bring in another front 3 player in the summer but the short-sighted criticism of Salah does get my goat.

      ruthcity's posts are sarcasm central, and have me in bits sometimes.

      The perfect antidote to the doom and gloom merchants.
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      Re: Live: Man Utd V Liverpool
      Reply #677: Oct 21, 2019 02:22:14 pm
      Stop f**king whining.

      It was a hope, not an expectation.
      I know you can tell the difference, so you're just doing this to try and get a rise.

      Grow up.

      Ha...what happened to the great analyst...looked through some of your posts and it's all just basic stuff..nothing wrong with that but you invariably finish your posts with..."has it sunk in yet"...or "learn the game"...and now your carping when somebody has the gall to have a pop back.

      Drop your arrogant know all attitude..
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      Re: Live: Man Utd V Liverpool
      Reply #678: Oct 21, 2019 02:24:28 pm
      Ha...what happened to the great analyst...looked through some of your posts and it's all just basic stuff..nothing wrong with that but you invariably finish your posts with..."has it sunk in yet"...or "learn the game"...and now your carping when somebody has the gall to have a pop back.

      Drop your arrogant know all attitude..

      Yep. as I said, you're just trying to get a rise.

      Grow up
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      Reply #679: Oct 21, 2019 02:28:28 pm
      We lacked the cutting edge but I'm happy with a point with how things developed.

      Still top of the league and this was a point gain not two points lost.
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      Reply #680: Oct 21, 2019 02:30:36 pm
      Catching up reading through the comments and just a couple of opinions to add.

      I don't like the idea of changing to 442 if one of our forwards is missing. I'm not disputing we struggle at times when one of the front three are missing but that doesn't mean we should lose our identity and confuse our players with what system and role they should play.

      The way we normally set up is fine. We smash teams 95% of the time. Ideally we need to sign somebody who can come in and play across the front three. We brought in shaqiri and even though technically he can be brilliant, he doesn't have the pace and energy for it to be a success.

      Ox does though. I prefer ox in the central positions but I still would have started him on the right yesterday and kept mane on the left in his usual position. If things weren't working I'd have brought on divock who quite often makes an impact coming on from the bench (but struggles whenever he starts for some reason).

      Only other thing to add is my thoughts on Henderson. I don't want to make a huge deal out of it because I haven't been posting on here for a while so I don't want it to look like I've just come back to blast him, but he was very poor yesterday.

      His performances have definitely improved since he's been moved from the 6 role but it's games like yesterday that still frustrate me about him.

      He's our captain in our biggest game of the season and he didn't leave his mark in any way. I didn't even know he was playing to be honest.

      You can't compare anybody to Gerrard but if Gerrard had played yesterday we would have noticed. Whether it was a goal, a drive at their defence, a tackle, a card, anything. We would have known Steven was there and up for the fight.

      In a game like yesterday then Milner would get the nod from me over Hendo every single time.

      I'm not singling Hendo out though, I just noticed a few people talking about him. 7-8 lads played well below par yesterday. I just expect our captain to involve himself more when we really need him most.

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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #681: Oct 21, 2019 02:43:22 pm
      Haha! Being a teacher I thought I was a Sarky Git but I've got nothing on you mate!

      As for the points you raised I do actually believe it would have been a good idea to bring in another front 3 player in the summer but the short-sighted criticism of Salah does get my goat.
      Top 3 most lethal left side strikers in the world (Mane) gets shifted to the right side to make room for Origi who clearly has been instructed to be a facilitator at left wing. Two facilitators, Origi and Firmino, and a premium right footed striker being asked to play right wing.
      Inconceivable for a big team flush in cash....but here we are.
      I guess a healthy Shaqiri would have been the answer but how certain are we that Klopp has any faith in Le Petit Swiss?

      The lack of starting midfield ambition continues to plague LFC, especially on the road. Think of how little the forwards touched the ball yesterday and why the offense must be initiated from the back line. Did Origi touch the ball in the 2nd half? Firmino was invisible.

      On the road, Klopp has a tendency to play not to lose (refer to CL and Big 6 away contests).

      This team is not posting clean sheets with any regularity and more goal scoring ambition is required. Pulling off late goal wins/ties is not a sustainable strategy. Would be nice to see a LFC mid get an assist every month or so.

      Hats off to Lallana for entering the box....goods things can happen when a 4th player is allowed to push forward.



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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #682: Oct 21, 2019 02:44:06 pm
      Would be good to have another forward option when we have a player up front missing.  Would have liked to have a proper striker on the bench as an option, but then I also understand it's very difficult to have 5 top forwards at any club.

      But it was good to see Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lallana all be able to come on and have an impact.

      If a team is battling away trying to ever keep a narrow lead or a draw going against us and we can bring on three players of their quality for the final 20/30 minutes of a game it must be soul-destroying for an opposition side.
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #683: Oct 21, 2019 03:07:46 pm
      F**k you VAR and F**k you too, you cheating c**t Atkinson.




      How VAR doesn't pick up on that foul on Origi before they scored, is beyond me. What's the actual f**king point?

      We played against 13 today so to nick a draw, when it looked like there was no chance, was a decent result in the end. Was just gutted when Ox's shot went wide, what a winner that would have been. Having said that, I still can't believe Bobby, who played liked absolute dog sh*t, hits that ball that Sadio tees up for him, so f**king soft and straight at De Poof!

      Hate them Manc Cu*ts!! Jammy fucks!!!!

      EDIT: I knew that C**t De Gay would play and of course Rashford decided to actually play his 1 good game a year and it's always against us...Cu*ts!!!!!

      Stop moaning you scouse c**t you got a point didn't you.  :f_whistle: Yes it was a foul but Origi did him self no favours when holding the wrong leg when he went down.  :lmao: Was only clear and obvious in slow mo not real time.

      Ps.. Have we found the new Howard Webb  :lmao:
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #684: Oct 21, 2019 03:14:30 pm
      Stop moaning you scouse c**t you got a point didn't you.  :f_whistle: Yes it was a foul but Origi did him self no favours when holding the wrong leg when he went down.  :lmao: Was only clear and obvious in slow mo not real time.

      Ps.. Have we found the new Howard Webb  :lmao:

      Liverpool have dropped points in 9 of the last 47 games (19%). Atkinson has reffed them 9 times in that time, dropping points 4 times (44.4%). City have dropped points in 15 of the last 85 games (17.64%). Atkinson has reffed them 7 times, dropping points 4 times (57.14%).

      BTW If that goal had gone the other way you'd have been pissed off and you know it.
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      Reply #685: Oct 21, 2019 03:23:27 pm
      Liverpool have dropped points in 9 of the last 47 games (19%). Atkinson has reffed them 9 times in that time, dropping points 4 times (44.4%). City have dropped points in 15 of the last 85 games (17.64%). Atkinson has reffed them 7 times, dropping points 4 times (57.14%).

      BTW If that goal had gone the other way you'd have been pissed off and you know it.

      Very interesting stats mate  :o Yeah of course I'd of been pissed off and like I've said though, it was a foul.
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      Reply #686: Oct 21, 2019 03:32:28 pm
      Very interesting stats mate  :o Yeah of course I'd of been pissed off and like I've said though, it was a foul.

      I was really annoyed not with VAR but with Atkinson because he was very poor and wanted Utd to win for sure.

      It was a foul but Origi should have stayed on his feet and commit a tactical foul himself.
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #687: Oct 21, 2019 04:30:51 pm
      Keita added to poll.

       :action-smiley-055:
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #688: Oct 21, 2019 04:38:10 pm
      Would be good to have another forward option when we have a player up front missing.  Would have liked to have a proper striker on the bench as an option, but then I also understand it's very difficult to have 5 top forwards at any club.

      But it was good to see Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lallana all be able to come on and have an impact.

      If a team is battling away trying to ever keep a narrow lead or a draw going against us and we can bring on three players of their quality for the final 20/30 minutes of a game it must be soul-destroying for an opposition side.

      Brightest spot of the day for me, those three all looking at least decent. Hoping for better from the front three on Wednesday and next weekend.
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #689: Oct 21, 2019 04:40:32 pm
      Mate you actually advocated dropping one of our front 3 (Salah) last week if I remember rightly. Hopefully yesterday will remind a few fans just how important he is to the way we play and be a little more tolerant next time he elects to shoot instead of passing to a teammate.

      Missed Salah massively yesterday, a big indicator that he is very involved in our style of play. Yesterday summed up why we very rarely drop him!!
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      Reply #690: Oct 21, 2019 04:43:12 pm
      Stop moaning you scouse c**t you got a point didn't you.  :f_whistle: Yes it was a foul but Origi did him self no favours when holding the wrong leg when he went down.  :lmao: Was only clear and obvious in slow mo not real time.

      Ps.. Have we found the new Howard Webb  :lmao:

      Or David Elleray and Mike Riley!!

      Them three wankers makes up your strongest attacking line-up during the Ferguson era!!
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      Re: Live: Man Utd V Liverpool
      Reply #691: Oct 21, 2019 04:46:25 pm
      Last season @MU cost us the PL, could very well be the same this season. They just seem to play for real while we look scared in their house. MC will celebrating after this weekend.  :'( Well, I guess that equals out our "luck" vs- Leicester two weeks ago.  :roll:

      Losing to City lost the title.

      Man Utd were sh*te. They continue to be sh*te.
      Gifted a goal when a free kick should have been given to Liverpool.
      Klopp even said they were expecting the free kick.

      Then losing a goal even though a hand ball isn't supposed to be given when it comes off another part of the players body (leg).
      Liverpool v 12 yesterday. Still fought back for a draw.
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #692: Oct 21, 2019 05:22:25 pm
      Mancs are buzzing off taking a point from us and the fact their lads showed ‘fight’ and ‘heart’ (basically that they tried really really really hard), whilst we’re all pissed off at dropping two points.

      The lowering of their expectations continues.
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #693: Oct 21, 2019 05:46:47 pm
      Still unbeaten. We got this. Our team still manage to get something even when it's not our day and that's a sign of a team that wins trophies.

      We missed Mo, even when he is playing bad. He makes the other teams defenders think twice making offensive runs and even tho he has been not to his usual standards. He is vital to the way we play.
      That said it would be nice to have a extra striker on the bench, give origi some competition.
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #694: Oct 21, 2019 05:55:26 pm
      Its not about dropping more rotating he played two games for England and was pretty poor in both of them whilst the likes of Milner resting up we need to be more savvy with our selection at times

      Fair
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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #695: Oct 21, 2019 05:58:49 pm
      So yesterday it was finally proved VAR doesn't work as for 90 minuet is it never spotted United we're playing with 12 men
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      Reply #696: Oct 21, 2019 06:32:28 pm
      Ha...what happened to the great analyst...looked through some of your posts and it's all just basic stuff..nothing wrong with that but you invariably finish your posts with..."has it sunk in yet"...or "learn the game"...and now your carping when somebody has the gall to have a pop back.

      Drop your arrogant know all attitude..

      The midfield arguement of not being in their job role to score just to back up our wing backs fell down yesterday.  Trent gambled and went forward , Gini didnt cover James and the rest is history. Change the midfield and add more numbers and hey presto we score . It's called adapting to games and situations which my original posts around this area pointed too before the Guru got involved
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      Reply #697: Oct 21, 2019 06:37:39 pm
      The midfield arguement of not being in their job role to score just to back up our wing backs fell down yesterday.  Trent gambled and went forward , Gini didnt cover James and the rest is history. Change the midfield and add more numbers and hey presto we score . It's called adapting to games and situations which my original posts around this area pointed too before the Guru got involved

      1) we don't play with "wingbacks"

      2) Gini didn't cover because he'd stopped for the foul, as Klopp said in his presser

      3) We scored because we finally managed to push them back

      4) We were wide open to the counter

      5) we outnumbered them in midfield for the whole match

      6) bringing on 2 attacking mids could have easily cost us, if the opposition had a pair of balls.
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      Reply #698: Oct 21, 2019 06:49:48 pm
      1) we don't play with "wingbacks"

      2) Gini didn't cover because he'd stopped for the foul, as Klopp said in his presser

      3) We scored because we finally managed to push them back

      4) We were wide open to the counter

      5) we outnumbered them in midfield for the whole match

      6) bringing on 2 attacking mids could have easily cost us, if the opposition had a pair of balls.

      1) Trent does very often during games when we dominate effectively play as a wing back as does Robbo

      2) Gini should've played to the whistle

      3) Stating the bleedin' obvious..

      4) When attacks break down all teams are susceptible...goes without saying..

      5) We didn't outnumber them for the whole match...it ebbed and flowed..

      6) We actually brought on 3 midfielders on..

      ..ahem...
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      Re: Live: Man Utd V Liverpool
      Reply #699: Oct 21, 2019 06:52:47 pm
      1) we don't play with "wingbacks"

      2) Gini didn't cover because he'd stopped for the foul, as Klopp said in his presser

      3) We scored because we finally managed to push them back

      4) We were wide open to the counter

      5) we outnumbered them in midfield for the whole match

      6) bringing on 2 attacking mids could have easily cost us, if the opposition had a pair of balls.

      No real insight here...if you want detailed analysis..look thru the thread for my contributions after the game..up to about 10 last night..

      No charge.

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