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      Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.

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      Re: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool. In game and post match discussion.
      Reply #725: Oct 22, 2019 09:53:02 am
      Yes I'd agree with this, it was more a case of us playing really sloppy and not generating chances, at no point were we really under the cosh. Man Utd defended pretty well and definitely set up to frustrate us, but were aided by us having one of our worst games of the season.

      I honestly think if we played that game 5 times then we'd win the majority of them.

      I think there's always a gray area between actually playing poorly and the opposition countering your plan. Think United did really well in that regard but we also weren't at our best.

      I hate giving Henderson stick because a lot of it is unwarranted but he as pretty poor on Sunday, shitting out of a few challenges when we needed somebody to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Seems as though we've got a bit of a mental block against United as we always seem to show them too much respect at their place, I actually think Hendo was the only player on our 11 who had won at Old Trafford in a Liverpool shirt, and that was over half a decade ago now.

      If the game was played at Anfield I think we'd have won comfortably but Old Trafford seems to be a different kettle of fish
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      Reply #726: Oct 22, 2019 10:24:03 am
      Haven't really got any thing to add that hasn't already been said.  Frustrating match at OT again, where we played with too much fear, conservatism (again!).

      You'll never see City go there and put in such a toothless display, but, with everything going against us, we showed a bit of character & quality to get an equalizer.

      The winning run comes to an end, but a stat I don't think I've heard thrown about, we're on an unbeaten run in the Prem of 26 games.

      Long may it continue.

      COYR!!!
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      Reply #727: Oct 22, 2019 10:39:18 am
      I think there's always a gray area between actually playing poorly and the opposition countering your plan. Think United did really well in that regard but we also weren't at our best.

      I hate giving Henderson stick because a lot of it is unwarranted but he as pretty poor on Sunday, shitting out of a few challenges when we needed somebody to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Seems as though we've got a bit of a mental block against United as we always seem to show them too much respect at their place, I actually think Hendo was the only player on our 11 who had won at Old Trafford in a Liverpool shirt, and that was over half a decade ago now.

      If the game was played at Anfield I think we'd have won comfortably but Old Trafford seems to be a different kettle of fish

      Yes big mental block playing at Old Trafford, we have to stop giving them so much respect and why is Klopp constantly surprised that they play defensively if he complains they do it each time, we should set up against them the same as if we are playing Burnley or some other such team, that is their level at the moment.
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      Reply #728: Oct 22, 2019 11:01:03 am
      Yes big mental block playing at Old Trafford, we have to stop giving them so much respect and why is Klopp constantly surprised that they play defensively if he complains they do it each time, we should set up against them the same as if we are playing Burnley or some other such team, that is their level at the moment.

      Klopp would have been pretty sure how they were going to play long before the game, I just think it's just easier to come out and have a bit of a pop at the opposition's style in a post match interview rather than admit your own shortcomings
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      Reply #729: Oct 22, 2019 02:21:12 pm
      Always believed referring to Man U as 'manure' was the saddest shout in football but you've smashed it right out of the park with that one :lmao:

      Wrong that would of been 'Chelski'



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      Reply #730: Oct 22, 2019 02:31:53 pm
      Wrong that would of been 'Chelski'

      Think "Spuds" deserves an honorable mention too
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      Reply #731: Oct 22, 2019 02:48:55 pm
      Think "Spuds" deserves an honorable mention too

      and the "Arse"
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      Reply #732: Oct 22, 2019 03:42:49 pm
      Don't ever remember you having us on the ropes in the first half. You set up really well to nullify our attacking threat but having us on the ropes would indicate you had most of the ball and were peppering our goal with chances. Apart from the goal (which arguably shouldn't have stood) I don't recall many other opportunities

      Maybe you were watching different match   :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #733: Oct 22, 2019 03:42:57 pm
      Agree with you Keith, certainly not deliberate handball. Although as you say VAR has changed all that. Anyway Keith you must be quite pleased with your team's performance on the whole.

      But what actually constitutes handball by an attacking player scoring a goal.

      If the following occurs when a player scores a goal. The ball touches an arm/hand directly from their head/body/foot..or from a player's arm/body/foot, near by..or the ball touches arm/hand which is close to the body and does not make the body bigger.

      If that is the play..if that happens prior to that player scoring a goal.....then that is NOT a free kick.

      Those new handball rules were introduced this season. Other scenario's are covered where a free kick is awarded. But it's not automaticaly a free kick if the ball touches the arm/hand prior to scoring.

      I believe Mane's goal under the rules should've stood and that's why I said so in this thread an hour or so after the game finished. I will say that the new rules are open to interpretation as is so often the case in football.

      http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/786/111531_110319_IFAB_LoG_at_a_Glance.pdf

      Main changes outlined,
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      Reply #734: Oct 22, 2019 03:45:45 pm
      Think "Spuds" deserves an honorable mention too

      Never heard it at the match, just from a few on here, Chelski was pure f**king cringe. Can understand the manure shout, especially during that period were even tv companies stopped saying man utd and it became Manchester United.

      But lay off Aussie Red, he's sound!!
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      Reply #735: Oct 22, 2019 04:56:05 pm
      Maybe you were watching different match   :f_tongueincheek:

      If we were on the ropes how come we had more shots on target then your lot? I honestly can't remember Allison having to make a single tricky save.
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      Reply #736: Oct 22, 2019 06:11:43 pm
      But what actually constitutes handball by an attacking player scoring a goal.

      If the following occurs when a player scores a goal. The ball touches an arm/hand directly from their head/body/foot..or from a player's arm/body/foot, near by..or the ball touches arm/hand which is close to the body and does not make the body bigger.

      If that is the play..if that happens prior to that player scoring a goal.....then that is NOT a free kick.

      Those new handball rules were introduced this season. Other scenario's are covered where a free kick is awarded. But it's not automaticaly a free kick if the ball touches the arm/hand prior to scoring.

      I believe Mane's goal under the rules should've stood and that's why I said so in this thread an hour or so after the game finished. I will say that the new rules are open to interpretation as is so often the case in football.

      http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/786/111531_110319_IFAB_LoG_at_a_Glance.pdf

      Main changes outlined,

      I agree with you tbh, thought the goal should have stood. It was more a case of ball to hands in my view.
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      Reply #737: Oct 22, 2019 06:18:11 pm
      If we were on the ropes how come we had more shots on target then your lot? I honestly can't remember Allison having to make a single tricky save.

      You know it isnt always based on possesion but the facts are Liverpool were poor in first half but shown their class in last ten mins. Just my opinion though mate
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      Reply #738: Oct 22, 2019 06:23:12 pm
      I liked Ole as a player and he is a fine man, principled gent. I mean United had Moyes,Giggs (caretaker) Van Gaal and they failed.Even the miserable one screwed up so Ole should be given at least 2/3 windows and £200m.

      Deserves a 5 year deal..at least.
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      Reply #739: Oct 22, 2019 10:24:55 pm
      Now the dust has settled, I realise VAR and the official robbed us.
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      Reply #740: Oct 22, 2019 11:25:01 pm
      Do we have enough to keep City at bay. I was surprised the Boss didn't bring in another out and out striker to supplement the squad. Front 3 plus Origi. Add Brewster and that's the squad. It relies on the front 3 staying fit. And we know that's almost imposible.

      We're all in on the League for sure. That and the Champions League. I hope the Boss is looking at one or two targets for the next window. It's a bit of insurance against injuries. I obviously trust the Boss regardless of what he does in January. Think many are of the same opinion.
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      Reply #741: Oct 22, 2019 11:37:17 pm
      Think "Spuds" deserves an honorable mention too

      Yes, I always pictured some cartoon bully everytime someone calls them "spuds". Pretty cringy
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      Reply #742: Oct 22, 2019 11:39:39 pm
      Now the dust has settled, I realise VAR and the official robbed us.

      I honestly think a pitch side monitor fixes this mess. I'm sure the FA has considered this and ignored it, because screw it why should we be competent at our jobs ;D
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      Reply #743: Oct 22, 2019 11:51:26 pm
      I honestly think a pitch side monitor fixes this mess. I'm sure the FA has considered this and ignored it, because screw it why should we be competent at our jobs ;D

      Just need to f**k it off. We’ve all loved the game without it. Just need better referees
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      Reply #744: Oct 23, 2019 08:27:34 am
      I liked Ole as a player and he is a fine man, principled gent. I mean United had Moyes,Giggs (caretaker) Van Gaal and they failed.Even the miserable one screwed up so Ole should be given at least 2/3 windows and £200m.

      Deserves a 5 year deal..at least.


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      Reply #745: Oct 23, 2019 08:53:45 am
      You know it isnt always based on possesion but the facts are Liverpool were poor in first half but shown their class in last ten mins. Just my opinion though mate

      He never mentioned possession he mentioned shots on target, which United had 2 of in the entire game  :lmao: You set up very well mate but you certainly never had us on the ropes
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      Reply #746: Oct 23, 2019 10:20:20 am
      I said we dominated the ball and the possession stats show that.

      I didn't say anything about what it meant.

      That would be you, trying to move the goalposts.

      If you can find me a player with 95% pass completion, with at least 60 passes who never played it forwards once, I'd be amazed, because as stats go, that is the biggest pile of bollocks I've ever read.

      I take it you never watched us play when Lucas and Allen were here?  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #747: Oct 23, 2019 11:47:03 am
      You know it isnt always based on possesion but the facts are Liverpool were poor in first half but shown their class in last ten mins. Just my opinion though mate

      Agreed, Keith, Liverpool were poor in the first half, but United were even worse. May Ole be in charge for many years.
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      Reply #748: Oct 23, 2019 11:58:41 am
      Agreed, Keith, Liverpool were poor in the first half, but United were even worse. May Ole be in charge for many years.

      Nothing new with United being poor though  :f_doh:
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      Reply #749: Oct 26, 2019 11:15:02 pm
      Quote from Harrisimo
      But what actually constitutes handball by an attacking player scoring a goal.

      If the following occurs when a  I will say that the new rules are open to interpretation as is so often the case in football.

      When it comes to forwards handling the ball before the ball goes in the net, there is no tolerance. It's an automatic free kick, and VAR is there to ensure that a free kick is given. Only one has been allowed this season, wrongly so. At least the annual penalty appeal rejected, didn't need a review to see if the decision was correct or not.

      Our performance was much of what we've come to expect down the years. Bitty, messy, scrappy, the game is played in old toilet after all. After many years of pain and disappointment, I said before the game that I would take a point, and when the scoreline is 0-1 with 10 minutes to go, I will definitely take a point, which is what we got.

      The big games keep coming, but now it's at home. It's our first home league game v Spurs before Christmas since 2007. We needed a late equaliser that day also, but I won't take a point before the game this time. Normal service should be resumed.

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