Trending Topics

      Next match: Everton v LFC [Premier League] Tue 16th Jun @ 8:00 pm
      Goodison Park

      Today is the 31st of May and on this date LFC's match record is P7 W5 D1 L1

      The Election

      Read 3491 times
      0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
      TameImpala
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 953 posts | 562 
      • He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
      Re: The Election
      Reply #25: Nov 07, 2019 02:05:41 pm
      What Labour campaigners are hearing "on the ground", and the party itself in private polling is a lot different to the polls shown on the news.
      Early days yet of course.

      I'm not doing any campaigning myself this time around, but I'll be ferrying people around, as usual.

      Heard the same from a lot of marginal canvassers myself, not been out yet this campaign apart from a bit of leafleting in Liverpool City Centre at the weekend but I'm going up to Southport (Current Tory Seat) this Saturday morning for some canvassing so that should test the water a bit.

      Fully expect Labour to start making gains once the campaigning gets in full flow. Tories & the general public don't mix very well
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 24,373 posts | 3273 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #26: Nov 07, 2019 03:54:28 pm
      RedWilly
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 8,219 posts | 1173 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #27: Nov 07, 2019 07:27:00 pm
      Was thinking about this today.

      Historically the Tories are seen as the party to be trusted with the economy (the truth of that can be debated but that is the general perception).

      This must be the first time in a long time where if the Tories get into power they will take the economy backwards significantly through their Brexit policy. And if it is no deal, which is conceivable if they get a majority, then they will shrink our economy back to the 1970’s.

      On top of that, there are a significant number of disgraceful social justice issues which have been apparent over the last decade.

      What baffles me is this party will still be a major influence in politics regardless of the outcome, even when they destroy the economy which is traditionally what they are seen as being ‘sensible’ with.

      Terrifying.
      RedWilly
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 8,219 posts | 1173 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #28: Nov 09, 2019 09:23:21 pm
      So after the Tories managed to lose our AAA credit rating (the highest you can get) in 2013, received another downgrade in 2017, now in the build up to the election Moody’s have put the UK on a ‘negative outlook’.

      Given the UK is (or should that be was?) a major player in international politics with one of the worlds largest economy’s, that is a shocking track record. And negative credit will impact the poorest hardest.

      If you want the quid in your pocket to go further, don’t vote Tory.
      TameImpala
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 953 posts | 562 
      • He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
      Re: The Election
      Reply #29: Nov 11, 2019 11:17:26 am


      Another one this weekend!

      SCOUSERS HATE TORIES
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 24,373 posts | 3273 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #30: Nov 11, 2019 01:27:28 pm
      TameImpala
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 953 posts | 562 
      • He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
      Re: The Election
      Reply #31: Nov 11, 2019 01:37:18 pm

      Frightening that this is from the BBC of all outlets.

      The sooner more people just refuse to pay the license the better. 150 odd quid a year for propaganda!
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 24,373 posts | 3273 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #32: Nov 11, 2019 01:45:46 pm
      Frightening that this is from the BBC of all outlets.

      The sooner more people just refuse to pay the license the better. 150 odd quid a year for propaganda!

      BBC have previous, it’s not surprising but that fact they thought no one would notice...
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,001 posts | 599 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #33: Nov 11, 2019 10:54:18 pm
      One of the endless Brexit votes when May was PM. She lost a vote, didn't even show up in the Commons for the vote. Once the vote was announced by the speaker 311-259. Speaker called Corbyn, he spoke for about 5 minutes or so. Speaker asked Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, to respond...he sat on his hands...said nowt.

      Cut to BBC News at Ten....no mention of May not attending the Commons for the vote and showed Corbyn speaking...then editted in Barclay making a speech as if he was responding...in truth it was a speech Barclay had made from the despatch box the day before. Clear bias and distortion of the truth.
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,001 posts | 599 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #34: Nov 11, 2019 11:03:17 pm
      That creep Farage (feckin' eejit) said he won't stand in Tory seats and will only oppose Labour. Probably a knighthood or a peerage the price.

      But they have just realised that the Brexit party might actually split the Tory vote in their target Labour seats and will actually make a hung Parliament even more likely.

      Tory managers are in a panic now and are trying to get the Brexit party to bend over backwards. Some in the Brexit party are now questioning Farages motives, claiming he's in it for what he can get out of it. Vomit inducing.
      « Last Edit: Nov 11, 2019 11:07:47 pm by Harrisimo »
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 12,476 posts | 2785 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #35: Nov 12, 2019 01:28:18 pm

      Oh, it's much, much worse than that.
      When they are showing old footage, they have to order it from the archive section, who then dig it out and send it to the main editing room, where it was cut and pasted in, over the top of the footage from that day.

      Let me say that again; they have to order older footage from the archive section

      So it was no "mistake", it was very deliberate.
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,160 posts | 266 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: The Election
      Reply #36: Nov 12, 2019 09:16:22 pm
      What frightens me is all the news clips showing northern working men saying they are going to vote Tory instead of labour ......shocking
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,160 posts | 266 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: The Election
      Reply #37: Nov 12, 2019 09:20:31 pm
      Boris laid a wreath on Sunday and the tick c**t laid it upside down the next morning this BBC showed him laying the wreath the right way up...... the bas**rds has substituted the film from the day before for one from 2016, imagine if that was Corbin
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 24,373 posts | 3273 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #38: Nov 13, 2019 12:19:03 pm
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,001 posts | 599 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #39: Nov 13, 2019 12:25:22 pm
      It's becoming clearer that a Labour Liberal pact is looking like the only chance Corbyn has. Farage is accommodating Johnson to a degree. In marginal Tory/Liberal seats Labour standing aside might take seats off the Tories. Ditto in Tory/Labour marginals.Libs need to stand down.

      Problem is Labour don't do pacts before an election. And Labour can't put forward a remain manifesto as it will lose a lot of their core voters who voted leave. Johnson is working on Farage to stand aside in marginal Labour seats so he doesn't split the leave vote.Already bribed him to stand down on Tory held seats.

      Johnson only needs to win a simple majority over the rest to get back in. If Labour don't get some kind of deal with Lib Dems and others they will lose this election and will leave the vulnerable, and the disadvantaged to Tory spite.
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 24,373 posts | 3273 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #40: Nov 13, 2019 01:02:59 pm
      Pulling 300 would be candidates has not gone well for Farage...mind you, seems the fella would sell his gran for a peerage..

      https://twitter.com/brexitessex/status/1193896428394946567?s=21
      fields of anny rd
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 15,569 posts | 1586 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #41: Nov 13, 2019 06:59:43 pm
      Just spent 6 hours in A and E waiting to see the triage nurse. In the end we left and fu**ed it off with no sign of being seen any time soon.

      Forget f**king Brexit and concentrate on what the Tories have done to our public services.

      The state of Warrington Hospital, walked past about 10 old men and dears lay on beds in the corridors. F**k knows how long they had been been there, but at least for all my 6 hours in there.

      Not the staffs fault, one nurse I heard say hadn't been able to have a piss in 7 hours.

      Only going to get worse after Brexit too actually, where doctor and nurse numbers will plummet.
      Shabs
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 24,373 posts | 3273 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #42: Nov 13, 2019 07:02:37 pm
      Just spent 6 hours in A and E waiting to see the triage nurse. In the end we left and fu**ed it off with no sign of being seen any time soon.

      Forget f**king Brexit and concentrate on what the Tories have done to our public services.

      The state of Warrington Hospital, walked past about 10 old men and dears lay on beds in the corridors. F**k knows how long they had been been there, but at least for all my 6 hours in there.

      Not the staffs fault, one nurse I heard say hadn't been able to have a piss in 7 hours.

      Only going to get worse after Brexit too actually, where doctor and nurse numbers will plummet.

      NHS has been deliberately de funded to move it into the hands of private healthcare corporations...
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,160 posts | 266 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: The Election
      Reply #43: Nov 13, 2019 07:29:03 pm
      I have just been treated for double pneumonia in Arrowe Park most of the staff were great just under so much pressure I don't think thing went well as I was readmitted with the same 3 weeks latter. Had to wait 3 days for a CT scan everything was in short supply, no extra pillows, FFS it will only get worse if we elect another Tory government. Please if you want an NHS service get out and vote Labour
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 11,379 posts | 2163 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: The Election
      Reply #44: Nov 13, 2019 08:03:10 pm
      Just spent 6 hours in A and E waiting to see the triage nurse. In the end we left and fu**ed it off with no sign of being seen any time soon.

      Forget f**king Brexit and concentrate on what the Tories have done to our public services.

      The state of Warrington Hospital, walked past about 10 old men and dears lay on beds in the corridors. F**k knows how long they had been been there, but at least for all my 6 hours in there.

      Not the staffs fault, one nurse I heard say hadn't been able to have a piss in 7 hours.

      Only going to get worse after Brexit too actually, where doctor and nurse numbers will plummet.

      Be interesting to see how the 4 day week would work in the nhs. Hopefully more staff and less stress on doctors and other staff
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,001 posts | 599 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #45: Nov 14, 2019 01:35:41 pm
      NHS is doomed. Far as Johnson is concerned anyway. He'll sell off any remaining contracts worth selling. It will still be free at the point of service. Although I take the hump at that phrase. It's not free - it's a pre-paid system in a sense. Not quite the same as health insurance but we pre pay through our taxes.

      It will develop (if it hasn't already) into a two tier system within the next 5 years and beyond. The NHS itself will become a fall back system whereby services will still be available but definitely second class. Inevitable really. The UK has swung to the right in recent years. Probably for ever.
      fields of anny rd
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 15,569 posts | 1586 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #46: Nov 14, 2019 02:58:02 pm
      NHS is doomed. Far as Johnson is concerned anyway. He'll sell off any remaining contracts worth selling. It will still be free at the point of service. Although I take the hump at that phrase. It's not free - it's a pre-paid system in a sense. Not quite the same as health insurance but we pre pay through our taxes.

      It will develop (if it hasn't already) into a two tier system within the next 5 years and beyond. The NHS itself will become a fall back system whereby services will still be available but definitely second class. Inevitable really. The UK has swung to the right in recent years. Probably for ever.

      We are a liberal country in a lot ways but at the moment I think there is a real struggle from those who aren't to keep voting for Tory/Ukip/Brexit Party.

      I think it is more likely that those who are left leaning are less likely to go to the ballot box.

      We've not yet hit rock bottom, perhaps another 5 years of cuts and tax breaks will wake the nation up.

      Perhaps it won't, as we continue to blame some of the poorest in the country for the state of the country, and continue to accept second class services under austerity.
      stuey
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 33,752 posts | 3303 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #47: Nov 14, 2019 02:58:20 pm
      NHS is doomed. Far as Johnson is concerned anyway. He'll sell off any remaining contracts worth selling. It will still be free at the point of service. Although I take the hump at that phrase. It's not free - it's a pre-paid system in a sense. Not quite the same as health insurance but we pre pay through our taxes.

      It will develop (if it hasn't already) into a two tier system within the next 5 years and beyond. The NHS itself will become a fall back system whereby services will still be available but definitely second class. Inevitable really. The UK has swung to the right in recent years. Probably for ever.

      The f**king liars are making promises to improve everything that they have ruined since they took office.

      The only way the liars will get in is a horror pact between Farage, the Libdems and the Tories, a political Apocalypse.
      tezmac
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 7,160 posts | 266 
      • F**k the Sun F**k Murdoch F**k the press
      Re: The Election
      Reply #48: Nov 14, 2019 06:41:24 pm
      We are a liberal country in a lot ways but at the moment I think there is a real struggle from those who aren't to keep voting for Tory/Ukip/Brexit Party.

      I think it is more likely that those who are left leaning are less likely to go to the ballot box.

      We've not yet hit rock bottom, perhaps another 5 years of cuts and tax breaks will wake the nation up.

      Perhaps it won't, as we continue to blame some of the poorest in the country for the state of the country, and continue to accept second class services under austerity.


      No chance to many vain cu*ts worried about there Botox or for the men the beard oil pathetic tw*ts. But in years to come they won't own there own homes, won't have pensions and most importantly won't have a NHS service
      Harrisimo
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,001 posts | 599 
      Re: The Election
      Reply #49: Nov 14, 2019 06:54:44 pm
      We are a liberal country in a lot ways but at the moment I think there is a real struggle from those who aren't to keep voting for Tory/Ukip/Brexit Party.

      I think it is more likely that those who are left leaning are less likely to go to the ballot box.

      We've not yet hit rock bottom, perhaps another 5 years of cuts and tax breaks will wake the nation up.

      Perhaps it won't, as we continue to blame some of the poorest in the country for the state of the country, and continue to accept second class services under austerity.

      The Referendum revealed an undercurrent of small mindedness and petty bigotry.Also if you have a government that cuts every service, lets rip against the poor, disadvantaged, disabled and cuts adrift anybody they think are leaching off society, the result will be a gradual slide to the right. People will inevitably become harder, more selfish.

      You would actually need a compulsory voting system, a 100% turnout for Labour to win a majority again. Social justice, fairness, safety net, cradle to the grave socialist concepts are in recession, decline. Do people give a toss, probably not.

      Quick Reply