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      The Election

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      Shabs
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      Re: The Election
      Reply #525: Dec 16, 2019 10:56:58 pm
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #526: Dec 16, 2019 11:31:31 pm
      Johnson will put a match to a regulation bonfire. He'll turn the UK into a low tax, low regulated economy. Workers rights will be watered down even more. Austerity won't end as it is more or less the norm now anyway. All Johnson has to do is dish out some bullsh*t sound bite.Fine as long as you don't read the small print.

      The City will want to retain elements of EU financial regulation to keep in step with the EU. Financial Passports or the right to sell financial services accros the EU, are already under threat from Barnier. He has said "Brexit means Brexit right accros the board"...in other words we can't have our cake and eat it. If UK financial institutions don't stay in step with Pan European financial rules we risk losing the ability to sell financial services accros the EU.

      That will be a very serious blow to the UK financial economy. And like it or not, we are all linked to the City in some capacity.

      We talk about chlorinated chicken and deregulated banking sectors and all that but it might be the least of our worries as you so rightly highlight when it comes to the regulatory bonfire. In terms of our public safety we could slip back into the non-existent regulation nightmare of the 80s which helped cause the Zeebrugge ferry disaster, Piper Alpha and Hillsborough.

      Perhaps Grenfell was the dawn of this return to this bleak age.
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      Re: The Election
      Reply #527: Dec 17, 2019 02:09:54 pm

      It's great how brainwashed the majority of the bellends in this country are.

      Would it be wrong to guess the answer might be a Norman Tebbit sounding "get on your bikes"

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      Re: The Election
      Reply #528: Dec 17, 2019 02:15:42 pm
      It's great how brainwashed the majority of the bellends in this country are.

      Would it be wrong to guess the answer might be a Norman Tebbit sounding "get on your bikes"



      Oh aye it's still being peddled.
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      Re: The Election
      Reply #529: Dec 17, 2019 02:40:20 pm
      It's just gonna get worse.





      But you know at least we got back control!!
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      Re: The Election
      Reply #530: Dec 17, 2019 07:46:52 pm
      What he'd Boris in his first cabinet meeting since the election, Boris.. how many hospitals are we going to build ... the cabinet reply 40 pantomime seasons here...
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      Re: The Election
      Reply #531: Dec 17, 2019 09:02:54 pm
      It's just gonna get worse.





      But you know at least we got back control!!

      Yeah but according to the Norwegian Tory we have in this forum, a vote for the Tories was a vote against evil and bigotry
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      Re: The Election
      Reply #532: Dec 17, 2019 11:59:00 pm
      Watching John Pilgers report on ITV..The Dirty War on the NHS. After 5 years of "piccanninies" Johnson the NHS will be finished. It will be a privatly owned organisation.

      The Vultures are circling..
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      Reply #533: Dec 18, 2019 01:03:15 am
      Watching John Pilgers report on ITV..The Dirty War on the NHS. After 5 years of "piccanninies" Johnson the NHS will be finished. It will be a privatly owned organisation.

      The Vultures are circling..

      Telling why it was not allowed to air before the election.. 🤔
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      Reply #534: Dec 18, 2019 08:28:58 am
      Agreed - it's not impossible but it's extremely difficult.

      Let's say at the next general election in 2025 Labour achieve a landslide of seat wins in the same manner as they did under Tony Blair in 1997. Labour won 145 new seats at that election taking their overall seat figure to 418 and a majority of 167 (an eye watering total and still the biggest majority in post war Britain!). It would have to take as dramatic a shift as that to win next time and even then it would only be a slim, but perfectly governable, majority of over 40. (if we took Labour's current 202 seats and added a 1997 like figure of 145 to them they'd be on 347).

      Its simply not going to happen though is it. Labour are currently running around in small circles blaming everyone but themselves. The attack on the media is really silly. The print media is currently pro-Tory but it hasn't always been this way, under Blair most print media backed him so they will tend to go with what is popular in the country and that is certainly not Corbyn or Labour. In TV though its a very different picture where the majority of channels are very pro Remain and consequently anti-Tory, especially BBC and Channel 4. In any case blaming the media in an age of social media is quite pathetic, there are so many ways of getting a message across, unfortunately the Labour message was far to muddled and far to radical for the UK's taste. This country has never been really socialist and hopefully it never will be.
      As for the future Labour should elect someone like Lisa Nandy, a moderate from the North, but they won't, they'll elect SIR Keir Starmer or Rebecca Long-Bailey, those double barrel names and knighthoods will really resonate with working class people I'm sure as will sticking to Corbynist radical socialist policies!
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      Reply #535: Dec 18, 2019 08:37:44 am
      they'll elect SIR Keir Starmer or Rebecca Long-Bailey, those double barrel names and knighthoods will really resonate with working class people I'm sure as will sticking to Corbynist radical socialist policies!

      What a load of shabbite. Long-Bailey is the daughter of a Salford docker & her deputy would be Angela Rayner, a trade unionist from Stockport. Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson's name didn't stop him from winning any votes
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      Reply #536: Dec 18, 2019 08:40:01 am

      and who will force the UK government to accept this, thereby cutting trade with the bigger EU market or you, the consumer, to buy it? This is just scare stories form the pro-Tory BBC!!!!

      One thing, which many people seem to misunderstand, is that the UK does NOT need a US trade deal, its not dependent on it at all. We currently have a trade surplus with the US as opposed to the trade deficit we have with the EU. Of course a trade deal would be nice to have but its not like we are doomed without it so we are not in a powerless position to accept anything the US suggests.

      Its the same with the NHS and all those absurd claims form the Russian dossier Corbyn was waving about, why on earth would the UK government agree to pay more for drugs than it currently does, the NHS is a very very big international customer for drugs company and has a hell of a lot of leverage in negotiations, its certainly not going to willingly overpay.

      One final point on privatisation of the NHS, if it remains free at the point of use whilst delivering at least the same level of service, but prob much better, then what is the issue with parts of it being given over to private companies who can run it better than it currently is? One  of the biggest issues with the NHS is not a lack of money it is terrible mismanagement, for example how can it be justified that there are as many management and admin roles as there are doctors and nurses?
      The main goal has to be to provide the best service possible and if Private companies can manage things better, and its bloody hard to see how they wouldn't, then what is the issue with that?
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      Reply #537: Dec 18, 2019 08:44:11 am
      What a load of shabbite. Long-Bailey is the daughter of a Salford docker & her deputy would be Angela Rayner, a trade unionist from Stockport. Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson's name didn't stop him from winning any votes

      OK then go with continuity Corbyn and best of luck, whether the Tories have Labour or the Liberals as the main opposition is no big issue for me, I'm just basking in finally having a strong Conservative government again, I now know how you guys felt in 1997.

      For what its worth this talk of a right wing Tory government is utter crap, this government will be fairly centrist, in social issues and will be good for the whole country.
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      Reply #538: Dec 18, 2019 08:49:59 am
      OK then go with continuity Corbyn and best of luck, whether the Tories have Labour or the Liberals as the main opposition is no big issue for me, I'm just basking in finally having a strong Conservative government again, I now know how you guys felt in 1997.

      For what its worth this talk of a right wing Tory government is utter crap, this government will be fairly centrist, in social issues and will be good for the whole country.



      "Basking" in having this man as PM
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      Reply #539: Dec 18, 2019 09:03:53 am


      "Basking" in having this man as PM

      Was that quote made by Boris himself, No it wasn't, so that's a bit naughty isn't it. In any case Boris has since apologised on multiple occasions for being the Editor which let that crap be printed.

      Has Corbyn ever apologised for inviting representatives of the IRA into the House of Commons just a few days after they tried to kill all members of the government?
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      Reply #540: Dec 18, 2019 09:13:27 am
      Was that quote made by Boris himself, No it wasn't, so that's a bit naughty isn't it. In any case Boris has since apologised on multiple occasions for being the Editor which let that crap be printed.

      Has Corbyn ever apologised for inviting representatives of the IRA into the House of Commons just a few days after they tried to kill all members of the government?

      Published it as an EDITORIAL when he was the EDITOR. Some "apology" as well, as he jokingly dubbed it 'Operation Scouse Grovel'

      And I don't know - has your hero Thatcher apologized for negotiating with the IRA, or for granting a secret pardon to a convicted IRA months after they tried to blow up her own party?
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      Reply #541: Dec 18, 2019 09:25:04 am
      Published it as an EDITORIAL when he was the EDITOR. Some "apology" as well, as he jokingly dubbed it 'Operation Scouse Grovel'

      And I don't know - has your hero Thatcher apologized for negotiating with the IRA, or for granting a secret pardon to a convicted IRA months after they tried to blow up her own party?

      Any link to that "fact" about Thatcher, honestly don't know about this.
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      Reply #542: Dec 18, 2019 10:55:41 am
      Long-Bailey as leader & Rayner as her deputy..

      Dream ticket for me..
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      Reply #543: Dec 18, 2019 11:52:10 am
      Long-Bailey as leader & Rayner as her deputy..

      Dream ticket for me..

      me as well, continuity Corbyn, that will be a real vote winner!
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      Reply #544: Dec 18, 2019 12:43:21 pm
      and who will force the UK government to accept this, thereby cutting trade with the bigger EU market or you, the consumer, to buy it? This is just scare stories form the pro-Tory BBC!!!!

      One thing, which many people seem to misunderstand, is that the UK does NOT need a US trade deal, its not dependent on it at all. We currently have a trade surplus with the US as opposed to the trade deficit we have with the EU. Of course a trade deal would be nice to have but its not like we are doomed without it so we are not in a powerless position to accept anything the US suggests.

      Its the same with the NHS and all those absurd claims form the Russian dossier Corbyn was waving about, why on earth would the UK government agree to pay more for drugs than it currently does, the NHS is a very very big international customer for drugs company and has a hell of a lot of leverage in negotiations, its certainly not going to willingly overpay.

      One final point on privatisation of the NHS, if it remains free at the point of use whilst delivering at least the same level of service, but prob much better, then what is the issue with parts of it being given over to private companies who can run it better than it currently is? One  of the biggest issues with the NHS is not a lack of money it is terrible mismanagement, for example how can it be justified that there are as many management and admin roles as there are doctors and nurses?
      The main goal has to be to provide the best service possible and if Private companies can manage things better, and its bloody hard to see how they wouldn't, then what is the issue with that?

      The issue with private companies running services is that they obviously do it for profit and the profit motive is their first priority. And they strive to maintain or increase profits year on year. Having service and quality to the patients way down on your list does a disservice to the NHS. There is a place for private companies within the NHS.Nobody really denies that but it has to be in the services that are as far away from patient care as possible.

      Trade surplus or not this current government will strike deal with the US and they will weaken workers rights, lower regulation, have lower tax  scrutinisation policy. Will accept lower standards. Not bend over backwards but make the deal with the US as favourable and as profitable as possible for them. A Tory government is as wedded to the profit motive much more than Corbyn or McDonnell are to socialist doctrine....and are far more damaging to the general population.
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      Reply #545: Dec 18, 2019 01:15:08 pm
      Was that quote made by Boris himself, No it wasn't, so that's a bit naughty isn't it. In any case Boris has since apologised on multiple occasions for being the Editor which let that crap be printed.

      Has Corbyn ever apologised for inviting representatives of the IRA into the House of Commons just a few days after they tried to kill all members of the government?

      Didn't exactly want to come to Liverpool to apologise did he?

      Wasn't he sent by Liverpool-supporting Michael Howard?

      That's the only apology I remember and it wasn't exactly contrite, just done for political reasons!!
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      Reply #546: Dec 18, 2019 01:18:28 pm
      Any link to that "fact" about Thatcher, honestly don't know about this.

      Why do the Conservative party actually have a former active member of the IRA in the form of Cllr Maria Gatland within their ranks?

      How come you never once slagged her off considering the sh*te you've thrown at Corbyn over him being an "IRA Supporter"

      Does that not make you a bit of a hypocrite?

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      Reply #547: Dec 18, 2019 01:23:41 pm
      The issue with private companies running services is that they obviously do it for profit and the profit motive is their first priority. And they strive to maintain or increase profits year on year. Having service and quality to the patients way down on your list does a disservice to the NHS. There is a place for private companies within the NHS.Nobody really denies that but it has to be in the services that are as far away from patient care as possible.

      Trade surplus or not this current government will strike deal with the US and they will weaken workers rights, lower regulation, have lower tax  scrutinisation policy. Will accept lower standards. Not bend over backwards but make the deal with the US as favourable and as profitable as possible for them. A Tory government is as wedded to the profit motive much more than Corbyn or McDonnell are to socialist doctrine....and are far more damaging to the general population.

      Yes profit is a motive for a private company but if they do not deliver a good service then their contract will be revoked so its very much in their interest to operate in a good way and get customer satisfaction both from the government and the patients.

      Why will the UK weaken worker rights when worker rights in the UK are already higher than the EU, I don't see the logic of that? I also don't understand why its assumed that the UK will strike a deal with the US if it leads to the UK harming its trading position with the EU, its a wrong assumption, the UK firstly does not need a trade deal with  the US and secondly is in a strong position to negotiate one.
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      Reply #548: Dec 18, 2019 01:24:52 pm
      Why do the Conservative party actually have a former active member of the IRA in the form of Cllr Maria Gatland within their ranks?

      How come you never once slagged her off considering the sh*te you've thrown at Corbyn over him being an "IRA Supporter"

      Does that not make you a bit of a hypocrite?



      again I was not aware of that, do you have as many links to that as you did your previous assertions?

      Hee it is I did your work for you, https://fullfact.org/online/conservative-councillor-former-ira/

      Its interesting, but I imagine that she has since denounced the IRA in a slightly more forceful way than Corbyn ever has.
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      Reply #549: Dec 18, 2019 01:26:59 pm
      again I was not aware of that, do you have as many links to that as you did your previous assertions?

      Try using google you lazy c**t!

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