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      Harrisimo
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      Reply #550: Dec 18, 2019 01:34:14 pm
      On the term.."wool"..I always thought it was short for wooliback and was generally a derogatory term used to describe Welsh people. Then it was widened to include anybody, who wasn't a LFC fan, from outside the City.

      People from Liverpool being called scousers come from the local dish, basically a lamb hotpot.

      The other orientation of the word scouser is said to have come from London dockers, would you believe. As the ships approached the Liverpool docks, in particular, the Albert Dock, which had very high waterfront buildings (still the same skyline today)....the London seafarers would say..."comin' in to the sky'ouses now.." meant as the made up word Skyhouses...and over the years that was derived into the word "scousers".

      So the term derived from "Skyhouses"....to "Scousers".....that's that one cleared up then...!
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      Reply #551: Dec 18, 2019 01:42:48 pm
      again I was not aware of that, do you have as many links to that as you did your previous assertions?

      Hee it is I did your work for you, https://fullfact.org/online/conservative-councillor-former-ira/

      Its interesting, but I imagine that she has since denounced the IRA in a slightly more forceful way than Corbyn ever has.

      Corbyn has condemed IRA violence. He just advocated talking to them.Creating a dialogue to end the violence and find some sort of solution. The Tory government and Labour did have talks with the IRA but it was done in secret.Corbyn has always been a man who rightly prefers jaw jaw rather than war war. He also prefers NEED over GREED...and that's why he's hated by the Tories...he'll cost them a few quid.
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      Reply #552: Dec 18, 2019 02:00:49 pm
      On the term.."wool"..I always thought it was short for wooliback and was generally a derogatory term used to describe Welsh people. Then it was widened to include anybody, who wasn't a LFC fan, from outside the City.

      People from Liverpool being called scousers come from the local dish, basically a lamb hotpot.

      The other orientation of the word scouser is said to have come from London dockers, would you believe. As the ships approached the Liverpool docks, in particular, the Albert Dock, which had very high waterfront buildings (still the same skyline today)....the London seafarers would say..."comin' in to the sky'ouses now.." meant as the made up word Skyhouses...and over the years that was derived into the word "scousers".

      So the term derived from "Skyhouses"....to "Scousers".....that's that one cleared up then...!

      Thanks, that was interesting to learn.
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      Reply #553: Dec 18, 2019 02:05:26 pm
      Corbyn has condemed IRA violence. He just advocated talking to them.Creating a dialogue to end the violence and find some sort of solution. The Tory government and Labour did have talks with the IRA but it was done in secret.Corbyn has always been a man who rightly prefers jaw jaw rather than war war. He also prefers NEED over GREED...and that's why he's hated by the Tories...he'll cost them a few quid.

      If Corbyn had got to implement his socialist utopia it wouldn't have been the rich who had to pay for them, well not unless you consider anyone earning over £25k per year rich. You see as soon as he got to power 2 very important groups of people would have fled the country, the Jews and the Billionaires, shortly followed by millionaires and any other high earners. Once those people have left, and yes they very much would leave, who would then pick up the tab, businesses, nope they'd relocate as well, especially with all the Brexit uncertainty and a PM who has no idea if he wants to leave or remain. In short the country would be completely fu**ed for decades so thank your lucky stars that its The hated Tories in charge rather than loony Labour.
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      Reply #554: Dec 18, 2019 02:07:24 pm
      Corbyn has condemed IRA violence. He just advocated talking to them.Creating a dialogue to end the violence and find some sort of solution. The Tory government and Labour did have talks with the IRA but it was done in secret.Corbyn has always been a man who rightly prefers jaw jaw rather than war war. He also prefers NEED over GREED...and that's why he's hated by the Tories...he'll cost them a few quid.

      I'd like to think that Corbyn is just incredibly naive but the unchecked spread of antisemitism in the Labour party points to a leader who is either complicit or a hopelessly weak leader, either way the country wisely decided he was unfit for high office.
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      Reply #555: Dec 18, 2019 02:14:56 pm
      I'd like to think that Corbyn is just incredibly naive but the unchecked spread of antisemitism in the Labour party points to a leader who is either complicit or a hopelessly weak leader, either way the country wisely decided he was unfit for high office.

      Oh god please stop pretending like you care about anti-semitism. If you were so arsed about racism & bigotry you'd condemn Johnson for using the N word in a book he published, you'd condemn him for describing jews as "hook nosed" and "money grabbers" in the same book, you'd condemn him for describing muslim women as "letterboxes" you'd condemn him for saying he finds young black men "threatening" you'd condmen him for describing black people as "picannines with watermelon smiles" you'd condemn him for describing gay people as "tank topped bum boys". All of which you haven't. Alls you've done is condemn Corbyn (a lifelong anti-racism campaigner and a man who has himself been arrested for protesting apartheid) for supposed racism.

      Fair enough vote conservative, nobody can stop you. but don't try and pretend there was some sort of liberal motive behind your vote
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      Reply #556: Dec 18, 2019 02:24:56 pm
      Oh god please stop pretending like you care about anti-semitism. If you were so arsed about racism & bigotry you'd condemn Johnson for using the N word in a book he published, you'd condemn him for describing jews as "hook nosed" and "money grabbers" in the same book, you'd condemn him for describing muslim women as "letterboxes" you'd condemn him for saying he finds young black men "threatening" you'd condmen him for describing black people as "picannines with watermelon smiles" you'd condemn him for describing gay people as "tank topped bum boys". All of which you haven't. Alls you've done is condemn Corbyn for supposed antisemitism.

      Fair enough vote conservative, nobody can stop you. but don't try and pretend there was some sort of liberal motive behind your vote

      I actually think Boris does say some incredibly stupid things from time to time but I do NOT think he is racist or homophobic, he has however worked as a journalist most of his life and was known for his colourful use of language which on occasion was completely inappropriate and which he has apologised for.
      As far as I know the Jewish population in this country do not have the same issue with Boris as they do with Corbyn, ask yourself why that is, perhaps just perhaps its not just a smear campaign against Corbyn. A few days before the election I was talking to a few Jewish friends who were genuinely terrified at the prospect of Corbyn gaining power, they were also bitterly disappointed that the EHRC report had not been published before the election, by all accounts it paints a damning picture of a once proud party!
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      Reply #557: Dec 18, 2019 02:25:10 pm
      I'd like to think that Corbyn is just incredibly naive but the unchecked spread of antisemitism in the Labour party points to a leader who is either complicit or a hopelessly weak leader, either way the country wisely decided he was unfit for high office.

      "Unfit for high office"...as opposed to Johnson, who referred to black people as "Piccannies".."With water melon smiles"..made stupid remarks about Zaghari-Ratcliffe condeming her to incarceration in Iran. Walked out on his wife, had numerous affairs. The list of his indiscretions is endless, so your on shaky ground on this one mush.

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      Reply #558: Dec 18, 2019 02:33:11 pm
      See  the Tories, not for the first time, have stopped the investigation in to its own party's open and hostile Islamophobia.

      Hands up if you're surprised.
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      Reply #559: Dec 18, 2019 02:34:14 pm
      On the Labour leader gig, as I claimed there isn't any one stand out candidate, but I like Emily Thornberry's hard nosed attitude, She's a feisty one. Not keen on Keir Starma. Bit to much of a cultured gent. We need a fighter. Also someone who can claim the center ground and be a populist.

      Labour in a tight spot and need to come out fighting. Thornberry could be the one. Not much else in the offing.

      ...and shut yer trap Blair.
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      Reply #560: Dec 18, 2019 02:38:21 pm
      I actually think Boris does say some incredibly stupid things from time to time but I do NOT think he is racist or homophobic, he has however worked as a journalist most of his life and was known for his colourful use of language which on occasion was completely inappropriate and which he has apologised for.
      As far as I know the Jewish population in this country do not have the same issue with Boris as they do with Corbyn, ask yourself why that is, perhaps just perhaps its not just a smear campaign against Corbyn. A few days before the election I was talking to a few Jewish friends who were genuinely terrified at the prospect of Corbyn gaining power, they were also bitterly disappointed that the EHRC report had not been published before the election, by all accounts it paints a damning picture of a once proud party!

      "colourful language" - there you go. It's not colourful language, it's racist language and there's no way you can sugarcoat it. Which completely proves my point that a lot of Tories who shout antisemitism from the rooftops aren't arsed at all about racism or bigotry.

      Calling a gay man a "bum boy" IS homophobic
      Calling a muslim woman in a burkha a "letterbox" is racist

      There's no two ways about it. It's not colourful language, it's derogatory
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      Reply #561: Dec 18, 2019 03:15:38 pm
      Any link to that "fact" about Thatcher, honestly don't know about this.

      There’s a long list you don’t know Tory Boy!

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      Reply #562: Dec 18, 2019 03:17:49 pm
      I actually think Boris does say some incredibly stupid things from time to time but I do NOT think he is racist or homophobic, he has however worked as a journalist most of his life and was known for his colourful use of language which on occasion was completely inappropriate and which he has apologised for.

      It's not colourful language, it's casual racism!!
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      Reply #563: Dec 18, 2019 03:39:20 pm
      Any link to that "fact" about Thatcher, honestly don't know about this.

      Using google really isn't particularly difficult, you should try

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      Reply #564: Dec 18, 2019 04:54:01 pm
      I actually think Boris does say some incredibly stupid things from time to time but I do NOT think he is racist or homophobic, he has however worked as a journalist most of his life and was known for his colourful use of language which on occasion was completely inappropriate and which he has apologised for.
      As far as I know the Jewish population in this country do not have the same issue with Boris as they do with Corbyn, ask yourself why that is, perhaps just perhaps its not just a smear campaign against Corbyn. A few days before the election I was talking to a few Jewish friends who were genuinely terrified at the prospect of Corbyn gaining power, they were also bitterly disappointed that the EHRC report had not been published before the election, by all accounts it paints a damning picture of a once proud party!

      You keep overplaying the Anti semitism card, it’s going to loose its meaning..
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      Reply #565: Dec 18, 2019 05:04:12 pm
      Can we lock this thread please?
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      Reply #567: Dec 18, 2019 09:04:20 pm
      They also transformed the UK electorate and ensured the Conservative party stormed to victory to form a strong Government.

      Classic Corbyn.

      Christmas comes even for Turkey's.  ;D
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      Reply #568: Dec 18, 2019 09:17:11 pm
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      Reply #569: Dec 19, 2019 12:37:59 pm
      I prefer it when Labour transforms the country as opposed to the party itself but hey ho... each to their own.

      I mean, who would deny this?

      https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1207071942601248772?s=20
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      Reply #570: Dec 19, 2019 12:43:35 pm
      I prefer it when Labour transforms the country as opposed to the party itself but hey ho... each to their own.

      I mean, who would deny this?

      https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1207071942601248772?s=20

      I’m still struggling with the result to be honest...

      Labour never lost on its policies but Brexit.. its a shame Corbyn listened to the right & Blairites in the party to hold a 2nd referendum...

      Just listened to the Queen speech.. not confident going forward..
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      Reply #571: Dec 19, 2019 12:50:25 pm
      I’m still struggling with the result to be honest...

      Labour never lost on its policies but Brexit.. its a shame Corbyn listened to the right & Blairites in the party to hold a 2nd referendum...

      Just listened to the Queen speech.. not confident going forward..

      If they had gone all out for Brexit then they'd not only have succeeded in wrecking their core vote in their working class heartlands but also that of their liberal/metropolitan urban centres.

      Labour backing and proposing their own version of this right wing project would have been awful and somewhat humiliating for Corbyn. Attempts to appease it were pitiful. That they even attempted to do it and not even bothering to expose the suicidal nature of it means that Corbyn will be seen in history as an enabler of this grave constitutional error.

      At the end of the day, Labour are and always have been an internationalist organisation. Past Labour governments input into the EU were befitting of a party that understood it's responsibility not just to Britain but Europe and were a refreshing change to the arch imperialist, we stand alone, attitudes still found to this day in the right. Those in Labour who stood by and continued to campaign for Britain's place in the EU understood those values better than the rest.
      « Last Edit: Dec 19, 2019 01:07:56 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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