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      Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Billy1
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #475: Nov 03, 2019 06:54:11 am
      Well done the lads for fighting to the bitter end and securing the 3 points. I thought our disallowed goal was on side and it is sad that a ref and his var mate got it totally wrong.I must mention Robbo's goal,it went in like a bullet and I hope he can get a few more in the coming months.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #476: Nov 03, 2019 07:49:41 am
      I haven't watched this as I am at my dad's side in Arrowe Park Hospital. He's dying here, literally, and know what? This game, we had to win, for him. I would've hated for the last Liverpool game of his life to have ended in defeat.

      Sorry to be depressing but f**king hell, it's got me emotional, that.

      Get the f**k in.

      YNWA

      Much love Dave mate ❤

      #YNWA
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #477: Nov 03, 2019 09:01:05 am


      Let's try this again. Draw that red vertical line all the way down, until the point it is horizontal with the defenders' feet. Then draw the diagonal offside line at the point where the horizontal line and red vertical line meet. Offside proven all day. We will forever be offside.

      Damn it c**t Atkinson. I challenge you to extend that red line to the defenders feet for the whole world to see what a dumb ass you are!!! You will prove that we're offside by a million miles and that you're bloody dumb.
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      Reply #478: Nov 03, 2019 09:37:23 am


      Let's try this again. Draw that red vertical line all the way down, until the point it is horizontal with the defenders' feet. Then draw the diagonal offside line at the point where the horizontal line and red vertical line meet. Offside proven all day. We will forever be offside.

      Damn it c**t Atkinson. I challenge you to extend that red line to the defenders feet for the whole world to see what a dumb ass you are!!! You will prove that we're offside by a million miles and that you're bloody dumb.

      Remember when tight offsides were supposed to goto the attacking team. ffs. thats like 5mm his shoulder is offside by. its too small a margin I think.
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      Reply #479: Nov 03, 2019 09:37:54 am
      Great win, really thought it was going to one of those days, esp. when my stream crashed with 10 mins to go. ;D
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #480: Nov 03, 2019 09:51:28 am
      Remember when tight offsides were supposed to goto the attacking team. ffs. thats like 5mm his shoulder is offside by. its too small a margin I think.

      Look at point where the red vertical dotted line meets the red diagonal offside  line. If we draw a horizontal line across from that point, it would be that space between Bobby and the defender.

      Parallax error and blatant manipulation. Want to implement VAR, they’ll have to bloody know how to draw their lines.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #481: Nov 03, 2019 10:18:06 am
      I actually thought that that VAR was computer controlled, I had no idea you had some referee with a clear bias against Liverpool just drawing random lines until he finds one that makes a Liverpool goal offside!

      Anyway there is a very simple solution to this, make it computer controlled using AI etc and measure offside on relative hip position, that is the only fair way to do it, not armpit versus knee ffs!
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      Reply #482: Nov 03, 2019 11:02:07 am
      Agree if it's that tight, should just favour the attacking team. End of dicking around with the micrometer.
      Ridiculous decision yesterday to disallow Bobs goal.
      Even with the benefit of replays etc. the VAR people are still f**king up.
      It's not the technology, it's how the jokers are using/interpreting it.
      If blatantly wrong decisions are being made as well a right ones, then why not just scrap the thing until they have rules in place that a fair and clear. At least then we'll still have right/wrong decisions, but the game will flow without poxy stoppages.
      Sometimes now when we score, there's a little 'oh sh*t, wonder did anything go wrong in the build up that VAR could catch us out on', which is pretty crap.  Opposite is true though, if the other team score it's like, VAR where the f**k are you :)
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      Reply #483: Nov 03, 2019 11:39:48 am
      I actually thought that that VAR was computer controlled, I had no idea you had some referee with a clear bias against Liverpool just drawing random lines until he finds one that makes a Liverpool goal offside!

      Anyway there is a very simple solution to this, make it computer controlled using AI etc and measure offside on relative hip position, that is the only fair way to do it, not armpit versus knee ffs!

      You don't need AI even, all you need are independent non FA affiliated people to follow simple SOP's who submit their findings to the referee on the pitch to review.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #484: Nov 03, 2019 11:42:10 am
      The linesman is the one who has got it wrong if he not had flagged it would have stood probably as it wasnt clear and obvious. My biggest complaint is the handball that was not even looked at
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #485: Nov 03, 2019 12:27:27 pm
      The whole thing is a complete balls up. You can't make a judgement call on millimetres from those angles. Parallax errors obviously come into it. No other sporting industry would tolerate such a complete and utter shoddy system for making decisions that affect thousands of punters and also the fate of Clubs and their finances.

      https://www.racetech.co.uk/photo-finish-2

      Look at Horse racing photo finishes, swimming etc.They all have state of the art technology to get the right result out there. Football has a caveman system that spews out a cobbled together guesswork decision. Total joke.



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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #486: Nov 03, 2019 12:31:16 pm
      The whole thing is a complete balls up. You can't make a judgement call on millimetres from those angles. Parallax errors obviously come into it. No other sporting industry would tolerate such a complete and utter shoddy system for making decisions that affect thousands of punters and also the fate of Clubs and their finances.

      https://www.racetech.co.uk/photo-finish-2

      Look at Horse racing photo finishes, swimming etc.They all have state of the art technology to get the right result out there. Football has a caveman system that spews out a cobbled together guesswork decision. Total joke.





      I think there needs to be a certain tolerance built in , say a few inches, and that you favour the attacking team, bingo problem solved, not so hard is it.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #487: Nov 03, 2019 01:11:51 pm
      I think there needs to be a certain tolerance built in , say a few inches, and that you favour the attacking team, bingo problem solved, not so hard is it.

      Yes and I think they are looking at it as it's almost impossible to make a judgement call with the angles they have to work with. Might come down to a player is only offside where it can be clearly seen that all or part of the whole body is off. Not just an arm or a shoulder, has to be the torso. But in fairness it will be difficult to get it foolproof.

      Putting in photo finish tech cameras all along the touchline is obviously not practical
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      Reply #488: Nov 03, 2019 01:22:30 pm

      Sometimes now when we score, there's a little 'oh sh*t, wonder did anything go wrong in the build up that VAR could catch us out on', which is pretty crap.  Opposite is true though, if the other team score it's like, VAR where the f**k are you :)

      I'm like that now.

      When Mane scored yesterday, I was like "is it a goal? Is it a goal?..." and waiting for some sort of VAR call.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #489: Nov 03, 2019 01:41:42 pm
      I've been having another look at Mane's "dive", and the defender actually stood on the side of his foot.

      Enough to go down?
      No

      Enough to "feel contact"
      yes.

      Enough to give Kane a penalty?
      Yes
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      Reply #490: Nov 03, 2019 01:41:48 pm
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      Reply #491: Nov 03, 2019 02:02:51 pm
      Nothing better than last minute winners and I'm just loving the fight in Mane.

      I haven't watched this as I am at my dad's side in Arrowe Park Hospital. He's dying here, literally, and know what? This game, we had to win, for him. I would've hated for the last Liverpool game of his life to have ended in defeat.

      Sorry to be depressing but f**king hell, it's got me emotional, that.

      Get the f**k in.

      YNWA

      Heavy that, all the best to the family at a trying time, but hope that little moment right at the end brings a lasting memory for you.
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      Reply #492: Nov 03, 2019 02:21:16 pm
      I've been having another look at Mane's "dive", and the defender actually stood on the side of his foot.

      Enough to go down?
      No

      Enough to "feel contact"
      yes.


      Said as much yesterday. They checked it by VAR, and obviously saw the contact. Fair enough, there should not be a penalty really as it is minor.

      BUT, they surely should have rescinded the Yellow card! That was given for diving which is to falsify the contact, but it was proven by VAR, so how can they not then cancel the Yellow?
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      Reply #493: Nov 03, 2019 02:52:02 pm
      Said as much yesterday. They checked it by VAR, and obviously saw the contact. Fair enough, there should not be a penalty really as it is minor.

      BUT, they surely should have rescinded the Yellow card! That was given for diving which is to falsify the contact, but it was proven by VAR, so how can they not then cancel the Yellow?
      Love the late game heroics.....but.....this formula will not sustain.
      Goal scoring has become an issue.
      The high scoring 2017-18 team was most lethal when mids, especially Milner, crossed the ball from deep in the corner....or Ox hard charged it thru the defensive ranks forcing the opposition's back line to step forward toward him, thus freeing up passing lanes for the front 3....lanes that do not exist with this current offensive approach.
      True, pushing mids so far forward leaves LFC vulnerable on counters....but goals have been difficult to come by, especially against midling squads.

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      Reply #494: Nov 03, 2019 03:40:32 pm
      Love the late game heroics.....but.....this formula will not sustain.
      Goal scoring has become an issue.
      The high scoring 2017-18 team was most lethal when mids, especially Milner, crossed the ball from deep in the corner....or Ox hard charged it thru the defensive ranks forcing the opposition's back line to step forward toward him, thus freeing up passing lanes for the front 3....lanes that do not exist with this current offensive approach.
      True, pushing mids so far forward leaves LFC vulnerable on counters....but goals have been difficult to come by, especially against midling squads.

      But it's more of a controlled performance based on defensive stability.Building from a solid foundation. We don't do the mad rush game we did under Rodgers.Even changed since Mo's first season heroics. It's one of the reasons we sometimes have to use up the full 90+ to get the result.

      It's an exhustive approach, not the 20-25 minute frantic attack attack attack gig that very often killed teams off. It's a more concentrated longer version.Has it's downsides but it's working thus far.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #495: Nov 03, 2019 03:44:55 pm
      The whole thing is a complete balls up. You can't make a judgement call on millimetres from those angles. Parallax errors obviously come into it. No other sporting industry would tolerate such a complete and utter shoddy system for making decisions that affect thousands of punters and also the fate of Clubs and their finances.

      https://www.racetech.co.uk/photo-finish-2

      Look at Horse racing photo finishes, swimming etc.They all have state of the art technology to get the right result out there. Football has a caveman system that spews out a cobbled together guesswork decision. Total joke.

      Robot infra red laser linesman tracking the last defender would solve everything. Then place that bloody line in view of everyone, moving up and down the pitch as the last defender moves. Employ the same rail system on both sides of the pitch as those used for filming swim races underwater and 100m races in track and field.
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      Reply #496: Nov 03, 2019 03:59:17 pm
      Love the late game heroics.....but.....this formula will not sustain.
      Goal scoring has become an issue.
      The high scoring 2017-18 team was most lethal when mids, especially Milner, crossed the ball from deep in the corner....or Ox hard charged it thru the defensive ranks forcing the opposition's back line to step forward toward him, thus freeing up passing lanes for the front 3....lanes that do not exist with this current offensive approach.
      True, pushing mids so far forward leaves LFC vulnerable on counters....but goals have been difficult to come by, especially against midling squads.



      Got to love it when a fan forumist tells Jürgen Klopp he's got the wrong formula. Love it.

      I'm sure Jürgen and co will continue doing what they see is best in securing these results.
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      Reply #497: Nov 03, 2019 04:01:23 pm
      Got to love it when a fan forumist tells Jürgen Klopp he's got the wrong formula. Love it.

      He's clueless.

      Been on ignore since his first few posts.

      Utter drivel, and wum attempts is all I ever see when people quote him.
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      Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #498: Nov 03, 2019 04:06:45 pm
      Look at point where the red vertical dotted line meets the red diagonal offside  line. If we draw a horizontal line across from that point, it would be that space between Bobby and the defender.

      Parallax error and blatant manipulation. Want to implement VAR, they’ll have to bloody know how to draw their lines.

      Chris Kamara was going nuts, he noticed the line to bobbi is at an angle.

      you can see hes online, I paused it on the tv, when the ball is struck hes inline with the guy, possibly behind.
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      Reply #499: Nov 03, 2019 04:11:43 pm
      Chris Kamara was going nuts, he noticed the line to bobbi is at an angle.

      you can see hes online, I paused it on the tv, when the ball is struck hes inline with the guy, possibly behind.

      https://twitter.com/LFCTS/status/1190992688541306880?s=20

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