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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #25: Nov 05, 2019 11:02:07 pm
      Most other big leagues have ditched their second cup thats why

      Not really the point I was making. But that said, this cup would be no loss to the game.
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      Reply #26: Nov 05, 2019 11:14:46 pm
      Not really the point I was making. But that said, this cup would be no loss to the game.

      But the ELP point out that 130 territories took last years final. Try telling Oxford and Colchester that this cup should be scrapped. This cup offers smaller clubs a chance to play big teams. As does the FA cup.
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      Reply #27: Nov 05, 2019 11:30:27 pm
      But the ELP point out that 130 territories took last years final. Try telling Oxford and Colchester that this cup should be scrapped. This cup offers smaller clubs a chance to play big teams. As does the FA cup.

      No disrespect to that level of team but in all honesty, I couldn't give a toss about what opportunities it may or may not give them because it's us I'm interested in. If they got rid of it and just had the FA Cup, it would soon be forgotten. The fact they are constantly changing the name of it and then don't even consider helping out a team that is in a couple of games that rarely come around shows where it's at. Guarantee if we had binned it and said we won't play the game then the club would get slapped with a fine. Which goes back to my point, I doubt other leagues would have teams put in this situation and as rossyred said, some of their equivalent cups have been scrapped but yet they are managing fine without it so I'm sure the likes of Colchester and Oxford will soon get over it.
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #28: Nov 05, 2019 11:45:22 pm
      We can mobilise our legends. No lack of household names. Otherwise do a mass public recruitment. I'd sign up.
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #29: Nov 05, 2019 11:47:34 pm
      Be a massive up yours to FIFA and the whole Qatar thing if they sent to the kids for the club world cup.

      But, obviously, they won't.  Good luck in the semi's to Villa.

      Withdrawal and boycott would be a definite up yours to either competition.
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #30: Nov 06, 2019 12:02:38 am
      Name all the main players in the cwc 21 man squad but leave 5-6 behind for the Villa game and then send them out for the final, problem solved.
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      Reply #31: Nov 06, 2019 12:03:07 am
      Withdrawal and boycott would be a definite up yours to either competition.

      Lets not kid ourselves here.We are going to get a shed load of dosh for the Qatar gig. And yes that's important but I wouldn't want us to pull out of any fixture. The league Cup is not a priority but it gives younger and fringe players a chance.Maybe the ELP should've tried a bit harder to find another date, but in the end it was us that said "Ok go ahead as planned".

      It will be a great experience for the younger players and who knows it might just be the stage for one of them to show something special.
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      Reply #32: Nov 06, 2019 12:05:37 am
      Name all the main players in the cwc 21 man squad but leave 5-6 behind for the Villa game and then send them out for the final, problem solved.

      I know and we only need about 7 players for the Villa game..Milner can fill the other 4 position...so he can..
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      Reply #33: Nov 06, 2019 12:13:47 am
      They've only featured in the League Cup so I'd have thought both will be staying behind, likewise Brewster. They only ever get game time in the competition so I'd be surprised if they wound up on the bench in Qatar where they are likely to again not feature at all. Makes more sense for them to stay behind.


      I'm struggling to believe that La Liga, Serie A or any other league seeing any of their teams put in this situation. I'm sure they could have re-arranged this game easily enough.

      If we lose to Villa then we lose to Villa, we actually go into a game with the odds firmly against us for a change, so if we win, what an achievement that would be for all the players that get to play that game.

      Agree it will be better for those two to stay and play, just not sure how many Jürgen wants to take for the sake of depth/insurance in case of injury (or even rotating between the semi and final with league matches just before and after the trip to Qatar.

      Also agree about those other leagues not allowing this, although of course there are fewer and fewer League Cups remaining with France ending theirs after this season. And yes, it will be a good experience for those young players. Minus the guys who have been part of those teams in the first two rounds, especially a veteran like Milner, it will be a very uphill trek for our  kids - but I'm interested to see it.
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #34: Nov 06, 2019 12:15:23 am
      Name all the main players in the cwc 21 man squad but leave 5-6 behind for the Villa game and then send them out for the final, problem solved.

      So 21 is the number they are allowed to take?

      Are you saying for the first game only have 3 or 4 players on the bench? (I may be misunderstanding what you are saying).
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      Reply #35: Nov 06, 2019 01:10:29 am
      I think the club should have had the game after the world club cup.  Whether next day a week later.  It would have a given an opportunity for squad players.  If we were to concede to playing it a day after another game then surely there were better dates where all the players were in the country.
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      Reply #36: Nov 06, 2019 02:36:04 am
      Don’t understand why a premier league game couldn’t be postponed to free up the schedule. Not unheard of over the Xmas period...
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #37: Nov 06, 2019 05:00:49 am
      What a Bullshit decision from the "powers that be"...just ridiculous but this is Liverpool, so I fully expect us to win both games, no f**king problems but I do love JD's idea about f**king up everyone and sending the kids to the CWC...that would be hilarious.  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #38: Nov 06, 2019 07:24:38 am
      I have an alternate team ready to play in the league cup. There you go all problem solved.


      Credit to the guy in Reddit for this.
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #39: Nov 06, 2019 08:22:26 am
      Its a farce, but at least will give the majority of u23/u18s squad some great experience playing in a league cup quarter final.
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      Reply #40: Nov 06, 2019 08:26:57 am
      I know and we only need about 7 players for the Villa game..Milner can fill the other 4 position...so he can..

      I was kind of thinking that the rest of the team can be filled out with the lads who played against Arsenal, but I assume you knew that! ;-)

      In any case this seems like a good compromise and gives us a chance of beating Villa whilst still having a strong enough team for the semi final.

      It would mean having a weak bench in both matches but you can only make 3 subs anyway so should be ok. most of our players are quite versatile anyway.
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #41: Nov 06, 2019 08:52:43 am
      Great first line of the opening post. If you know, you know  ;D
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #42: Nov 06, 2019 09:44:32 am
      The answer is really very simple.

      The League Cup gives you £100k prise money & a Europa League place.

      As far as I can tell,
      FIFA Club World Cup prize money: (and a shiny gold badge)
      1st $5m
      2nd $4m
      3rd $2.5m
      4th $2m

      As we enter at the semi final stage, we're quids in with out kicking a ball, and there is no guarantee we will win the League Cup.

      The League Cup was a good trophy to win, but now, and it pains me to say this, it's an inconvenience. It's the English League Cup, we're not in the English League, The PL teams should have the option of letting this one pass, especially the teams in European cups.
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      Reply #43: Nov 06, 2019 11:48:31 am
      9 games in December. In 25 days or so.The Qatar games are Wed 18th & Sat 21 if we get through to the final. We are playing Watford on Saturday 14th.

      The logistics of it mean that the Boss has to pick the WC Semi final in ADVANCE  and the Viila game.
      Could play Villa on Tuesdee 17th.

      It's obviously not beyond the boss to play a team similar to the team that beat Arsenal. And play a strong team for Wed 18th Semi final. Then decide who to fly out for the final on Sat 21st if we make it.As Heimdall suggested.

      He's obviously not going to play a player on Tuesdee for the Villa game then again the next day for the Semi.

      I'm happy..that's my December sorted..footie up to the eyeballs...can't wack it..
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      Reply #44: Nov 06, 2019 12:14:22 pm
      Jamie Carragher will assist Alex Inglethorpe as Alex will manage the League Cup match.

      It's funny that I was actually thinking might we even register Carra for that game? Carra and Agger looked good last time I watched them.
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      Reply #45: Nov 06, 2019 12:48:20 pm
      Great first line of the opening post. If you know, you know  ;D

      Haha did not pick up on that. Disturbing high school memories :D
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      Reply #46: Nov 06, 2019 01:17:32 pm
      Can see Klopp managing both teams, 8 hour flight with Qatar 2 hours ahead.. he’ll make it..

      I don’t see the Boss not being on the touch line for the Villa game.
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      Reply #47: Nov 06, 2019 01:27:15 pm
      Okay so here's the team that faced Arsenal in the last round of the cup.

      Kelleher, Williams, Milner, Gomez, van den Berg, Lallana, Keïta, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Elliott, Origi, Brewster
      Subs: Adrián, Kane, Larouci, Clarkson, Koumetio, Jones, Chirivella

      There's probably seven players in that side that Klopp would want to include in his World Club Cup squad.

      Milner, Gomez, Lallana, Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Origi, Adrian.

      Adrian - can probably travel and use Lonergan in his place.

      Down to six.

      There's then an argument to be made about sending Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Origi to Qatar to prevent us looking too light, but we should be able to win a semi final without them?

      And arguably without Oxlade-Chamberlain and Origi it's very hard to see even the remotest chance of us beating what will be a far more senior Villa team at the QF stage.

      So I'd keep the League Cup 18/17 from the last round intact, send a strong first XI to Qatar and then send half a dozen of them to Qatar after the League Cup game.  Doing that should also stop any potential squad disharmony about who gets to fly out first etc, which 'could' create an issue for Klopp?
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      Re: 2 games, 2 cups
      Reply #48: Nov 06, 2019 01:28:57 pm
      Can see Klopp managing both teams, 8 hour flight with Qatar 2 hours ahead.. he’ll make it..

      I don’t see the Boss not being on the touch line for the Villa game.

      Did anyone get this fella's phone number in Madrid?

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      Reply #49: Nov 06, 2019 01:56:40 pm
      It's a situation that the club will have to manage IF they take the decision to give us the best chance of competing on both fronts.

      We dont have too many divas in the squad which helps, but I would guess a lot of first team players would not be happy staying at home when there's a chance to shine on the world stage and all the extra things that can bring to a player in the modern game.

       What would be best for the club and our chances of progressing would be 2 hybrid squads of first team and youth, but I think the club will take the strongest lineup possible to Qatar and fob the league cup off. That is what would be best for the individual players, and perhaps long term team harmony.

      I read Klopp must be in Qatar for the 3 days leading up to the first game (I guess to do press and media stuff) so I cant see him being at Villa Park.

      If we progressed beyond the quarters of the carabao I guess the question is do we really want to a 2 leg tie against a rival where we would feel compelled to play a strong team?
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