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      Ballon D'Or 2019
      Nov 26, 2019 03:51:57 pm


      Messi now massive favorite to win his 6th and as much as I'd love Virgil to win, I think the GOAT deserves it.
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      Reply #1: Nov 26, 2019 04:01:41 pm
      He's been brilliant and that can't be denied, but I feel Virgil has been near perfect in every game he has played in, so would edge it for me.

      I still think Maradona is the greatest to play the game.
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      Reply #2: Nov 26, 2019 05:33:10 pm
      Can’t see any Liverpool player picking that up in front of Messi, not that I think he deserves it , it’s just I think the whole thing is corrupt , I mean if Luka Modric gets it then you know it’s a piss take , watched him a lot that season he got it , he was no where near the best footballer in Europe , i mean there’s only been six English based winners
      Of it , the last being One Michael Owen .
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      Reply #3: Nov 26, 2019 06:14:53 pm


      Messi now massive favorite to win his 6th and as much as I'd love Virgil to win, I think the GOAT deserves it.

      Does he get the award for crying his arse out at Anfield?

      F**k him, would love to see an actual player get it that deserves it and after last season that should be VVD.
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      Reply #4: Nov 26, 2019 06:16:30 pm
      Can’t see any Liverpool player picking that up in front of Messi, not that I think he deserves it , it’s just I think the whole thing is corrupt , I mean if Luka Modric gets it then you know it’s a piss take , watched him a lot that season he got it , he was no where near the best footballer in Europe , i mean there’s only been six English based winners
      Of it , the last being One Michael Owen .

      Modric got it the year before for his performances for Croatia in the World Cup
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      Re: Ballon D'Or 2019
      Reply #5: Nov 26, 2019 06:17:01 pm


      Messi now massive favorite to win his 6th and as much as I'd love Virgil to win, I think the GOAT deserves it.

      F**k Messi. VVD was better.
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      Reply #6: Nov 26, 2019 08:30:47 pm
      Modric got it the year before for his performances for Croatia in the World Cup
      Yes I know mate , did you think he was that good in that tournament ,? I didn’t think so two goals and one assist, he was ordinary for Real that season , I just don’t think a run of seven games gets you a Ballon Do,r

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      Reply #7: Nov 26, 2019 08:33:44 pm
      Yes I know mate , did you think he was that good in that tournament ,? I didn’t think so two goals and one assist, he was ordinary for Real that season , I just don’t think a run of seven games gets you a Ballon Do,r



      Well he ran the game against England in the semi, to me he was one of the stand out players of that tournament
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      Re: Ballon D'Or 2019
      Reply #8: Nov 26, 2019 09:00:19 pm


      Messi now massive favorite to win his 6th and as much as I'd love Virgil to win, I think the GOAT deserves it.

      In what way did Messi have a better impact/season than Virgil?

      I'm bored to death of forwards always winning this trophy and by forwards I mean Messi or Ronaldo, zzzzzzzzzz
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      Reply #9: Nov 26, 2019 09:03:20 pm
      In what way did Messi have a better impact/season than Virgil?

      I'm bored to death of forwards always winning this trophy and by forwards I mean Messi or Ronaldo, zzzzzzzzzz

      Went down in my estimation watching him in the semi-final 2nd leg, one crying f**king gobs***e when things don't go his way!
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      Reply #10: Nov 26, 2019 10:03:38 pm
      Went down in my estimation watching him in the semi-final 2nd leg, one crying f**king gobs***e when things don't go his way!

      Exactly - he crumbled in their biggest game and VVD stepped up to the plate.

      He also crumbled in their cup final

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      Re: Ballon D'Or 2019
      Reply #11: Nov 26, 2019 10:56:36 pm
      We all know its Corrupt!
      We all know VVD deserves it!
      We all know UEFA aren't gonna give it to us!
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      Reply #12: Nov 27, 2019 12:12:37 am
      We all know its Corrupt!
      We all know VVD deserves it!
      We all know UEFA aren't gonna give it to us!

      Corrupt it is but honestly think VVD will get it myself. He's the main reason while i think you'll win the league...
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      Reply #13: Nov 27, 2019 12:51:53 am
      Hope you are right for a change mate!  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #14: Nov 27, 2019 07:56:41 am


      Messi now massive favorite to win his 6th and as much as I'd love Virgil to win, I think the GOAT deserves it.
      He didn’t have golden balls at anfield last season when he & his team mates got had off,the big f**king Mary.
      I hope the big man does pick it up not not just for the fact that he has a pair.

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      Reply #15: Nov 27, 2019 09:16:30 am
      Whilst the award would be truly deserved, if VVD won it. The title will more than make up for it, if he fails to win the award.
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      Reply #16: Nov 27, 2019 04:25:36 pm
      Modric got it the year before for his performances for Croatia in the World Cup

      Should be based on the whole year though, not just one tournament and over the course of the year, despite having a very good World Cup, he was far from the best.
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      Reply #17: Nov 28, 2019 01:27:36 pm
      Have always ignored it after Stevie not winning it in 2005. Travesty, and i believe he finished in third spot behind Lampard.
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      Reply #18: Dec 02, 2019 09:16:37 pm
      Messi wins it. So out of his 6 awards only half of them are actually deserved. Quite a club going on with Iniesta, Ribery and now Virgil who have all been cheated out of what should have been theirs just to please Messi.

      I refuse to believe that for the last 11 years, the worlds best player has either been a Barca or Madrid player. The two clubs with the most politics in football, what a shock.
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      Reply #19: Dec 02, 2019 10:54:04 pm
      Messi wins it. So out of his 6 awards only half of them are actually deserved. Quite a club going on with Iniesta, Ribery and now Virgil who have all been cheated out of what should have been theirs just to please Messi.

      I refuse to believe that for the last 11 years, the worlds best player has either been a Barca or Madrid player. The two clubs with the most politics in football, what a shock.

      You forgot to add Mo Salah when f**king Modric won it .....what a load of sh*t that was too!
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      Reply #20: Dec 02, 2019 11:00:13 pm
      In what way did Messi have a better impact/season than Virgil?

      I'm bored to death of forwards always winning this trophy and by forwards I mean Messi or Ronaldo, zzzzzzzzzz

      He won the league and scored over 50 goals with another 20 plus assists. Crazy numbers.
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      Reply #21: Dec 02, 2019 11:01:04 pm
      Messi wins it. So out of his 6 awards only half of them are actually deserved. Quite a club going on with Iniesta, Ribery and now Virgil who have all been cheated out of what should have been theirs just to please Messi.

      I refuse to believe that for the last 11 years, the worlds best player has either been a Barca or Madrid player. The two clubs with the most politics in football, what a shock.

      The best player for the last 11 seasons has been the little man. Jesus Christ it is so obvious!
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      Reply #22: Dec 02, 2019 11:01:49 pm
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      Reply #23: Dec 02, 2019 11:07:58 pm
      Why did you have to post a picture of that sh*t!!!  :roll: :-\


      Anyways putting a sh*t load on Ronaldo to win it next year as they will want to even it up between the 2 of them!!! Corrupt Cu*ts!!!!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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      Reply #24: Dec 02, 2019 11:11:02 pm
      Why did you have to post a picture of that sh*t!!!  :roll: :-\


      Anyways putting a sh*t load on Ronaldo to win it next year as they will want to even it up between the 2 of them!!! Corrupt Cu*ts!!!!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

      Sorry - but it’s the GOAT himself Baresi saying that VVD deserves it
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      Reply #25: Dec 02, 2019 11:36:21 pm
      The best player for the last 11 seasons has been the little man. Jesus Christ it is so obvious!

      Except he hasn't been. Just because he's arguably the best ever, doesn't automatically mean he's the best player every season for the last 11 years.
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      Reply #26: Dec 03, 2019 12:13:40 am
      Biggest joke for me was ronaldo getting third.absolutely laughable
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      Reply #27: Dec 03, 2019 05:53:18 am
      Except he hasn't been. Just because he's arguably the best ever, doesn't automatically mean he's the best player every season for the last 11 years.

      Exactly what I have been arguing. Virgil won the f**king CL last season while in the second leg Messi showed exactly how good he is...What did Messi archive exactly other than the league title and scoring a bunch of goals? Both things are laughable since the Spanish league is a joke anyway. They probably still give him the Ballon D'Or long after he quit playing  :roll:
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      Reply #28: Dec 03, 2019 06:59:20 am
      Biggest joke for me was ronaldo getting third.absolutely laughable

      He should have got a TURD,he's full of sh*t anyway.
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      Reply #29: Dec 03, 2019 07:14:49 am
      The best player for the last 11 seasons has been the little man. Jesus Christ it is so obvious!

      But better than VVD over the past year, don't f**king think so!
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      Reply #30: Dec 03, 2019 12:29:25 pm
      Load of old bollocks, biased and corrupt voting just to massage messi's  ego, and not upset the la liga lovers.
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      Reply #31: Dec 03, 2019 01:37:49 pm
      Sorry - but it’s the GOAT himself Baresi saying that VVD deserves it

      Who are we to argue with the master Baresi.  What other league can the best team in the world go away to Newcastle and draw. This league is brutal especially for Forwards so for me the biggest influence a player has had on a team in the toughest league in the world is Virgil by a country mile.
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      Reply #32: Dec 03, 2019 02:55:38 pm
      He won the league and scored over 50 goals with another 20 plus assists. Crazy numbers.

      We'd win La Liga if we were in it, scoring more goals as well, lets see how he would do on a cold winters day/night at Stoke. La Liga is crap compared to the Prem, basically just 4 good teams and the rest are complete sh*te, its much more competitive in the Prem.
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      Reply #33: Dec 03, 2019 03:08:17 pm
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      He won the league and scored over 50 goals with another 20 plus assists. Crazy numbers.

      Usually the winner comes from the European Champions in a year without the WC/EC. How many times did Ronaldo win it off the back of winning the European Cup? That's what VVD has done.

      What did the convicted tax fraudster win this year? La Liga again. Well done him. Failed to win the Spanish Cup again, failed to win the European Cup again, failed to win the Copa America again. Failed to deliver the serious tin on 3 occasions, and got himself dismissed in the CA as a send off. That's apparently worthy of winning the Golden Ball these days.

      This trophy is supposed to be for the best player over the last 12 months. If you want to give it every year to the best player over the past 5-10 years, that's a different discussion.
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      Reply #34: Dec 03, 2019 03:23:53 pm
      We'd win La Liga if we were in it, scoring more goals as well, lets see how he would do on a cold winters day/night at Stoke. La Liga is crap compared to the Prem, basically just 4 good teams and the rest are complete sh*te, its much more competitive in the Prem.

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Haven't heard that one in about 6 years!
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      Reply #35: Dec 03, 2019 04:27:52 pm
      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world/ballon-dor-2019-result-voting-in-full-votes-lionel-messi-virgil-van-dijk-award-a9230886.html

      Check this out, in the link the word 'bizarre' is used in relation to the voting system, in actual fact Van Dijk got most votes in the important, most relevant votes section, Messi won by getting a handful of nominations from the more obscure footballing nations.  Bizarre indeed and perfectly explains why he and Ronaldo win the award which nobody is interested in every year.
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      Reply #36: Dec 03, 2019 04:46:28 pm
      Like the Eurovision Song Contest corrupt as f**k
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      Reply #37: Dec 03, 2019 06:14:02 pm
      We'd win La Liga if we were in it, scoring more goals as well, lets see how he would do on a cold winters day/night at Stoke. La Liga is crap compared to the Prem, basically just 4 good teams and the rest are complete sh*te, its much more competitive in the Prem.

      He'd probably score about 6.

      Doesn't it get cold in Argentina?
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      Reply #38: Dec 03, 2019 07:06:16 pm
      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world/ballon-dor-2019-result-voting-in-full-votes-lionel-messi-virgil-van-dijk-award-a9230886.html

      Check this out, in the link the word 'bizarre' is used in relation to the voting system, in actual fact Van Dijk got most votes in the important, most relevant votes section, Messi won by getting a handful of nominations from the more obscure footballing nations.  Bizarre indeed and perfectly explains why he and Ronaldo win the award which nobody is interested in every year.

      Keeps the multinational pimps Nike and Adidas happy.

      Only pubescent school boys get excited over the Ronaldo/Messi debate anyhow. If you spend half your time arguing on social media over who's the 'GOAT' between Messi and Ronaldo or why one isn't on the cover of FIFA and the other is (while running fan accounts and such) then you're nothing but a degenerate with no outlook on life. F***ing saddos.
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      Reply #39: Dec 03, 2019 09:03:23 pm
      Messi was 5th last season. Why is he now 1st?
      I know he's the GOAT but that doesn't mean he should just get the award every season.
      If Modric deserved to win last year you can be sure van Dijk deserved it this year.
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      Reply #40: Dec 03, 2019 11:08:44 pm
      Must state in the rules you have to be a attacking player of sorts given all the players that have won it. :f_doh:  I genuinely thought pound for pound their respective positions VVD was heads above anyone else. He was even odds on to win it, the mind boggles sometimes
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      Reply #41: Dec 04, 2019 06:50:33 pm
      Must state in the rules you have to be a attacking player of sorts given all the players that have won it. :f_doh:  I genuinely thought pound for pound their respective positions VVD was heads above anyone else. He was even odds on to win it, the mind boggles sometimes


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      Reply #42: Dec 05, 2019 10:43:47 pm
      But better than VVD over the past year, don't f**king think so!

      Exfuckingactly....Messi may be the best player but VVD had the better season and that's what I was under the assumption, the Award was for!!!
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      Reply #43: Dec 10, 2019 01:23:18 pm
      Messi was 5th last season. Why is he now 1st?
      I know he's the GOAT but that doesn't mean he should just get the award every season.
      If Modric deserved to win last year you can be sure van Dijk deserved it this year.

      He didn't.

      I understand Van Dijk had an incredible season but so did Messi. He was also top scorer in the UCL and he did score two in the first leg against us. You can't say it all comes down to one game at Anfield when all of the Barca team froze!
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      Reply #44: Dec 10, 2019 02:52:17 pm
      He didn't.

      I understand Van Dijk had an incredible season but so did Messi. He was also top scorer in the UCL and he did score two in the first leg against us. You can't say it all comes down to one game at Anfield when all of the Barca team froze!


      My point still stands.
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      Reply #45: Dec 10, 2019 04:10:23 pm
      He didn't.

      I understand Van Dijk had an incredible season but so did Messi. He was also top scorer in the UCL and he did score two in the first leg against us. You can't say it all comes down to one game at Anfield when all of the Barca team froze!


      You say it can’t come down to one game but seem okay with it coming down to number of goals scored. I Whilst Messi scores an incredible amount of goals, it’s an unfair argument IMO because Virgil is never going to score many, just like Messi would never make as many tackles and get as many clean sheets as Virgil.

      I thought it was an award based on the performance of players over the course of a year, not a goal scoring award. Its essentially a glorified golden boot award if its based on Messi scoring an insane amount of goals. Put him in Virgil’s position and see how well he does because for all the glamour of Messi being top scorer last season, I believe we kept the most clean sheets with Virgil at the heart of it.
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      Reply #46: Dec 10, 2019 09:09:22 pm
      Cheating Kunt is Messi voted for Mane after facing VVD.  He votes tactically.  VVD had the best season ever for a defender no attacker troubled him through out the entire season including the cheat Messi and Ronaldo.

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