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      Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #325: Nov 28, 2019 01:24:45 pm
      We were just extremely poor, especially 1st half and they defended very well.

      It's our own fault.  If there's a hard way to do things we usually find it!!

      On to saltzburg..
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #326: Nov 28, 2019 01:41:41 pm
      If there's a hard way to do things we usually find it!!

      ...which should prepare us for Salzburg. I see a nailbiter there.

      I hope, if Fab is out longer, Jürgen turns more to Ox, Keita and Lallana. I feel they could improve this team if given more and regular playing time but they are stuck behind the "usual suspects".
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #327: Nov 28, 2019 02:31:05 pm
      Little worried now we could end up going out of the CL, Red Bull score for fun in home games too
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #328: Nov 28, 2019 02:47:49 pm
      Little worried now we could end up going out of the CL, Red Bull score for fun in home games too

      Which could mean that they leave themselves even more open to our attacks, but we'd need Salah and Bobby to find some kind of form again, or we play a different formation, looking to hit them on the break and just having Mane and Origi up top and having an extra midfielder.

      Knowing Jürgen though it will be the same predictable lineup and style of play with Hendo and Milner in the middle offering f**k all in attack or link up play whilst letting their players storm through the middle. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him start Gomez against them.

      I lost count of the amount of times yesterday when Hendo had the ball in good positions and we just needed him to take a man on or play a cute forward pass to the attackers, yet he went safety first to the sides or back time after time, its infuriating!

      The only person who doesn't seem to understand the need for at least one attacking midfielder is Herr Klopp.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #329: Nov 28, 2019 03:15:04 pm
      Well you finally pushed me over the edge to Ignore you. I'm sure you won't care because I think you post mainly to get a reaction.


      We've played 22 matches, winning 18 (including 2 shootouts) losing two (including one shootout) and drawing two.

      We're leading the league by 8 points with a record point total through 13 matches.

      We're leading our group in the Champions League with one match to go.

      We are alive in one Cup competition and won the SuperCup, but we did lose the Charity Shield on penalties.

      And tonight we drew a match.   

      But you just spray your miserable over-reaction in every direction, maligning some of our best players and the manager who has restored us to our rightful place as a leading club.

      I just can no longer abide your meltdowns and passive-aggressive negativity in between the meltdowns. Try to enjoy the rest of a wonderful season more than you apparently did us winning the Champions League last season.


      Joined the forum in 2008 and soft lad was the first bullshitter I blanked soon after, seen no reason to change the situation.

      Only ever blanked two bullshitters and both still post the same crap to this day judging from replies to others which I can’t avoid catching sight of.

      On topic and we really do ourselves no favours in this competition.
      « Last Edit: Nov 28, 2019 03:24:18 pm by stuey »
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #330: Nov 28, 2019 04:10:14 pm
      We play badly, it's still in our own hands and if we do not qualify it's because of our own fault but I think we are ok.

      Lovren is improving but Milner and Henderson together :O
      heimdall
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #331: Nov 28, 2019 05:18:02 pm
      Joined the forum in 2008 and soft lad was the first bullshitter I blanked soon after, seen no reason to change the situation.

      Only ever blanked two bullshitters and both still post the same crap to this day judging from replies to others which I can’t avoid catching sight of.

      On topic and we really do ourselves no favours in this competition.

      and yet you feel compelled to tell everyone this story, again and again and again. Obsessed doesn't even begin to describe you!
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #332: Nov 28, 2019 05:23:48 pm
      OK but rest players against Brighton maybe, not this game, Klopp fu**ed up tonight, he has to stop playing Gomez at RB unless it's seeing out a game and he has to have at least one creative midfielder in the side.
      If we carry on like this these last gasp wins will very quickly turn into draws or losses.
      I think we'll draw against Salzburg but with a more positive attitude from Jürgen we would have won the group tonight, I'm beyond pissed off with the manager tonight and I don't have a clue who to make man of the match.

      Our normal  midfield is Hendo , Fab and Gini and none of them are particularly creative so that arguement falls down . In fact I would guess Milner may have more goals and assists than all of them
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #333: Nov 28, 2019 06:51:59 pm
      Napoli came not to get beaten, we weren't great, we definitely look a different team without Fab, but we should have enough about us to get the job done in Austria.

      Ref was an absolute tw*t - at half time I joked about him being bribed, that's how dodgy I thought that c**t was last night.

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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #334: Nov 28, 2019 06:55:37 pm
      OK but rest players against Brighton maybe, not this game, Klopp fu**ed up tonight, he has to stop playing Gomez at RB unless it's seeing out a game and he has to have at least one creative midfielder in the side.
      If we carry on like this these last gasp wins will very quickly turn into draws or losses.
      I think we'll draw against Salzburg but with a more positive attitude from Jürgen we would have won the group tonight, I'm beyond pissed off with the manager tonight and I don't have a clue who to make man of the match.

      Why would you rest players against Brighton? Not shitting yourself about the blueshite are you?
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #335: Nov 28, 2019 06:58:57 pm
      So are current level is if we get a draw, it's panic stations. Honestly some need to calm themselves and chill!
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #336: Nov 28, 2019 07:03:26 pm
      Cant be arsed reading all the negative comments, I can imagine what they are. very predictable.

      We had an off night, thats it. Still in our hands to top the group. All good.

      Only negative for me is injury to Fab, but I suspect its just a knock and he misses next game anyway through suspension.

      Exactly.
      We played a very good team whose coach is good at countering Klopp.

      It happens.
      Get over it and move on.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #337: Nov 28, 2019 07:18:37 pm
      No one mentioning the stonewall penalty on Salah then? Some of the reactions in here given the broader context is embarrassing.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #338: Nov 28, 2019 08:00:21 pm
      just a frustrating night and a reminder these lads aren't Robots and given our record they are entitled to one now and again. Even the crowd had an off night very quiet at times. Going to Saltzburg is exactly the type of game we enjoy the bigger the pressure the better our performance.
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      Reply #339: Nov 28, 2019 08:18:43 pm
      Can't believe some of you giving Joe a hard time, are you all members of the Raheem Sterling appreciation society or something?

      Ffs get off the lads back, he's a defender first and foremost and he was chosen by Jürgen to do a job last night, He Is Not Trent Alexander, Trent Alexander is more of a attacking wing back who can defend when required but more often than not he's on the front foot rather than defending, 
      Joe Gomez is a young lad still learning his trade, but unlike Trent he hasn't featured as much either through injury or maybe his gaffer prefers a attacking style of play rather than a defensive one, not too long ago we were all wanking ourselves over his CB pairing with Virgil,  what has changed?
      He had a difficult time being injured and obviously lost his spot, also Matip has pulled up some trees masking it particularly difficult for Jürgen to change things at the back,

      So get off the lads back ,he doesn't need to hear bullshit comments just because he's NOT TAA.


      RANT Over ,

      Merry f***in Xmas!!



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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #340: Nov 28, 2019 09:22:23 pm
      Our normal  midfield is Hendo , Fab and Gini and none of them are particularly creative so that arguement falls down . In fact I would guess Milner may have more goals and assists than all of them

      Yes my argument is that we should have more firepower in our midfield at all times, our midfield is often to passive.
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      Reply #341: Nov 28, 2019 10:29:21 pm
      Yes my argument is that we should have more firepower in our midfield at all times, our midfield is often to passive.

      I would also like to see a bit more creativity in there, particularly recently BUT your sweeping statements don’t carry much weight against the backdrop of our performances over the past 18 months. Did we win a European Cup and rack up 97 points despite our midfield? You realise they do actually deserve a ton of credit right?

      The furore, hysteria and over reaction to a draw from our fan base is embarrassing. It seems the better we have become the less tolerant we have become to a simple draw let alone a loss.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #342: Nov 28, 2019 10:39:33 pm
      I would also like to see a bit more creativity in there, particularly recently BUT your sweeping statements don’t carry much weight against the backdrop of our performances over the past 18 months. Did we win a European Cup and rack up 97 points despite our midfield? You realise they do actually deserve a ton of credit right?

      The furore, hysteria and over reaction to a draw from our fan base is embarrassing. It seems the better we have become the less tolerant we have become to a simple draw let alone a loss.

      It's more a case of being annoyed at the team selection, particularly yesterday. I've been saying for a few weeks that we are not playing that well. Yes I'm delighted with our fighting attitude but sooner rather than later we'll start drawing matches unless we can add more creativity in midfield, especially as a couple of our forwards are off colour at the moment.
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      Reply #343: Nov 28, 2019 10:55:37 pm
      It's more a case of being annoyed at the team selection, particularly yesterday. I've been saying for a few weeks that we are not playing that well. Yes I'm delighted with our fighting attitude but sooner rather than later we'll start drawing matches unless we can add more creativity in midfield, especially as a couple of our forwards are off colour at the moment.

      But despite your assertion that “Klopp has to have at least one creative midfielder in the team” he has somehow managed to steer us to big ears number 6, a 97 point season and an unbeaten start to this one with an 8 point gap to boot. And this is without featuring one of the creative midfielders you are alluding too? How the hell has Jürgen managed it? You massively underplay the contributions of Henderson, Gino, Fab and Milner. As for the “Klopp fu**ed tonight” comment what a ridiculous thing to say. We drew against a top side who defended superbly and featuring a defender who is playing as well as VVD. Still top of the group, destiny in our own hands. Regardless of what happens in the next game most would have taken needing a point vs an Austrian team in the last game if it was offered. What a f**k up from the manager eh! He made some comments after the game yesterday about us not now being able to have “a big holiday game” where everybody can take a rest and then pointed out that football is not like this. football isn’t like that. Sometimes you draw games.
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      Reply #344: Nov 28, 2019 11:08:27 pm
      We are pacing ourselves beautifully. Of course losing Fab for however long is a bit of a blow but we have Keita, Ox, Lallana and Gini on the bench in the Napoli game. All experienced now in our setup. We lost Alisson straight off the bat and went on our best start to a season. We  have 3 great forwards whom are playing a lot of games but playing in a lower gear in a lot of them. We are well setup for the middle third of the season and then bring it home.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #345: Nov 29, 2019 12:06:10 am
      No one mentioning the stonewall penalty on Salah then? Some of the reactions in here given the broader context is embarrassing.

      After the first half performance off that ref did you ever feel confident the c**t would give it?
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      Reply #346: Nov 29, 2019 01:24:06 am
      After the first half performance off that ref did you ever feel confident the c**t would give it?

      No but I thought VAR would have pulled it back.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #347: Nov 29, 2019 07:43:49 am
      No but I thought VAR would have pulled it back.

      You can understand why players go down when shitty refs can’t do their job.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #348: Nov 29, 2019 08:00:57 am
      But despite your assertion that “Klopp has to have at least one creative midfielder in the team” he has somehow managed to steer us to big ears number 6, a 97 point season and an unbeaten start to this one with an 8 point gap to boot. And this is without featuring one of the creative midfielders you are alluding too? How the hell has Jürgen managed it? You massively underplay the contributions of Henderson, Gino, Fab and Milner. As for the “Klopp fu**ed tonight” comment what a ridiculous thing to say. We drew against a top side who defended superbly and featuring a defender who is playing as well as VVD. Still top of the group, destiny in our own hands. Regardless of what happens in the next game most would have taken meddling a point vs an Austrian in the last game if it was offered. What a f**k up from the manager eh! He made some comments after the game yesterday about us not now being to have “a big holiday game” where everybody can take a rest and then pointed out that football is not like this. football isn’t like that. Sometimes you draw games.

      Sorry but starting Gomez as RB was a f**k up, starting Henderson and Milner together in midfield is a f**k up as it simply never works and always creates a dull and passive midfield which doesn't link up well with the forwards.

      We should have won the match against Napoli at home or are you suggesting that they are simply superior to us, the European champions?
      We now have one more competitive game to play in an already crowded December schedule, if you honestly don't see all that as a f**k up then I'd love to hear your reasoning.

      One final point, its not the result which irritates me as much as the team selection, I'm fully aware that you sometimes draw games, but at least play your best team, on Wednesday we didn't.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Napoli: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #349: Nov 29, 2019 09:32:17 am
      F***ing hell, can't wait to see what it's like on here when we actually manage to lose a game  :lmao:

      Scrappy performance and to be fair, I'd say we were lucky to come away with the draw in terms of chances created. Sub-par performance, sub-par atmosphere, just one of those weird nights where you could tell it was going to be a rough one pretty early on.

      Thought Napoli were impressive & well drilled and that's something we've unfortunately got to get used to now - Being European Champions teams are going to raise their game against us and find an extra 5 percent because playing Liverpool is a somewhat of a spectacle to them. That's my only worry with the Salzburg game. Once you factor in the prospect of them also qualifying for the knockouts with a win it's shaping up to be one of the biggest games in their recent history so we just need to be focused, get the job done and try not to play to the occasion.

      I've not seen any replays of the Salah penalty shout but from where I was sat (opposite end of the ground bearing in mind) it looked a penalty all day - was this the case? Also does anybody know why didn't it get pulled back for a VAR review at the least?

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