Some mad shouts here - when did Jürgen almost get sacked?
I think the 'Fails' you've listed are a bit unfair too as you need to look at the context
Grujic: Certainly hasn't broken into the first team but has been absolutely tearing it up for Hertha Berlin the last year and a half - If we sell him, we'll certainly make a good profit
Karius: Fail - Yes, definitely
Klavan: - Wouldn't call Klavan a fail, everyone knew he wasn't going to set the world alight. Signed him for a couple of million and did a decent enough job for a couple of years (a la Kyrigiakos)
Manninger: 39 years of age - Signed as a 3rd choice GK on a free with a view to offer his experience to the younger goalkeepers, can't really call him a fail as nothing was expected of him. Like calling Lonergan a failure
Solanke: Another free transfer so cost us zilch in terms of a fee. Definitely not good enough to wear the shirt but we got £20M for him a year later, terrific business and worth signing him for the profit alone
Don't know if you were here then, but there used to be a couple of tag team wums who started the "debate" about Klopp getting sacked if he didn't win a trophy by "X date".
They got ripped to shreds, and fu**ed off (and rightly so).
The other beaut was when they started saying we didn't score enough goals, which was bizarre since even a cursory look, showed we were scoring more goals than the season before.
The forum is a much better place without them, only one wum left and most just ignore him.
Back to the players, Grujic has always looked like he could be an absolute beast if he continued his develoment (the key here) and as you say, has been tearing it up on loan.
I agree, it's all about context.
Like in the Brewster thread; young kid, bad injury, feeling his way back. A loan was the right move for him. Let the lad get some rhythm back (as Klopp would say)