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      Re: Timo Werner (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #345: Jun 07, 2020 01:50:03 pm
      How often to teams lose their best player for months on end because of injury? It’s not that common

      erm Kane at Spurs, LaPorte at Citeh, both had huge impacts
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      Reply #346: Jun 07, 2020 02:35:37 pm
      Oh I dunno, Harry Kane breaks his chin every few months.

      That’s because he’s made of plastic, seeing how vulnerable he is within 18 yards of his goal.
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      Reply #347: Jun 07, 2020 02:46:41 pm

      They lack ambition by not joining us. We could keep them happy by rotating them. Each play a game every three matches. Does it work that way?

      I just realised that I do not have a lot of foresight. If any, I’m so dumb.

      If I am a top three Goalkeeper, why would I want to join Liverpool and be a backup? I’m paid by appearances and clean sheets. Why do I want to play once every three games? Because Liverpool is winning everything? Because we have Jürgen? Because we have the best fans? Because I’ll be paid more than Ali?

      Screw it. If I play once every three games, wouldn’t my wouldn’t it hurt my chances of being selected for my national team?

      I find meself very silly. At best it’s a fantasy, not our luxury. :f_steam:
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      Reply #348: Jun 07, 2020 03:58:46 pm
      How often to teams lose their best player for months on end because of injury? It’s not that common
      Ah come on an injury can come from anywhere very easily, think of Sane in the community shield last year, a small wrong turn put him on the shelf for the season
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      Reply #349: Jun 07, 2020 05:08:30 pm
      Right now nothing , and a lot of the Nike money is based on sharing commercial sales etc as opposed to a fixed fee

      So you imply Nike sponsorship is worthless?
      Regardless of the fact their logo is displayed on every LFC strip purchased

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      AFCON Looking likely to be postponed until 2022

      Some relief in that we have less international call up injuries to worry about.
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      Reply #350: Jun 07, 2020 05:12:03 pm
      So you imply Nike sponsorship is worthless?
      Regardless of the fact their logo is displayed on every LFC strip purchased

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      Some relief in that we have less international call up injuries to worry about.

       In regards the Nike deal it hasn’t started yet so we have had no funds from them - but the big earning point with the Nike deal is the 20% of sales which obviously won’t start until this season is finished and the Nike shirts hit the shops
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      Reply #351: Jun 07, 2020 05:35:05 pm
      In regards the Nike deal it hasn’t started yet so we have had no funds from them - but the big earning point with the Nike deal is the 20% of sales which obviously won’t start until this season is finished and the Nike shirts hit the shops

      The contracts have been signed and the deal with the world's biggest sportswear company is reported to be just shy of £40m  a year, money in the bank.
      A reflection of the global market worth of LFC which makes any uncertainty/unwillingness to consolidate the asset questionable business acumen.
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      Reply #352: Jun 07, 2020 05:41:31 pm
      The contracts have been signed and the deal with the world's biggest sportswear company is reported to be just shy of £40m  a year, money in the bank.
      A reflection of the global market worth of LFC which makes any uncertainty/unwillingness to consolidate the asset questionable business acumen.


      Deal has been signed - no money in the bank yet. As said the big money comes from the shirt sales.


      It seems the club are consolidating the asset by ensuring they club is kept on financially solid footing. The club is going too and has already suffered significant losses during the lockdown period - some clubs are going to struggle with many taking out loans ala Spurs , the good news for us is we won’t have to do that but our profit and ability to spend significant amounts will have to be on the back burner.
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      Reply #353: Jun 07, 2020 06:30:28 pm

      Deal has been signed - no money in the bank yet. As said the big money comes from the shirt sales.


      It seems the club are consolidating the asset by ensuring they club is kept on financially solid footing. The club is going too and has already suffered significant losses during the lockdown period - some clubs are going to struggle with many taking out loans ala Spurs , the good news for us is we won’t have to do that but our profit and ability to spend significant amounts will have to be on the back burner.

      While our owners sit back and stockpile their Dollas
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      Reply #354: Jun 07, 2020 06:40:44 pm
      While our owners sit back and stockpile their Dollas

      Pardon ? What’s “dollars” are they stockpiling
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      Reply #355: Jun 07, 2020 07:14:13 pm

      Deal has been signed - no money in the bank yet. As said the big money comes from the shirt sales.


      It seems the club are consolidating the asset by ensuring they club is kept on financially solid footing. The club is going too and has already suffered significant losses during the lockdown period - some clubs are going to struggle with many taking out loans ala Spurs , the good news for us is we won’t have to do that but our profit and ability to spend significant amounts will have to be on the back burner.
      I hope we do not have to do that Spurs have a Billion pound stadium to pay for.
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      Reply #356: Jun 07, 2020 10:48:34 pm
      I would still like to know where the 100m we had for transfers before we sold the little Brazilian went.

      The boss centre back and the boss goalie!
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      Reply #357: Jun 07, 2020 10:55:56 pm
      So by the sounds of everything we're going again with the same squad minus the odd one or two for 20/21 then probably spend big for 21/22 when we've cashed in the initial nike shirt/kit sales.

      M'bappe ;)

      :laugh:
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      Reply #358: Jun 08, 2020 11:46:05 am
      Pardon ? What’s “dollars” are they stockpiling

      The capital generated by the asset that is LFC, JWH has stated on more than one occasion he will not use his own money to fund LFC.
      The club is a solvent entity and self-sufficient, that state of affairs was negated by the fraudulent H&G who were fu**ed off by the courts and a sum of £350m from NESV/FSG saved the club from bankruptcy - LFC is now estimated to be worth close to £2bn.

      Feeding an asset was never more appropriate and doing so at the pinnacle of success even more fitting, failing to do so does imply predominately self-interest issues.
      « Last Edit: Jun 08, 2020 11:53:38 am by stuey »
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      Reply #359: Jun 08, 2020 12:44:27 pm
      The capital generated by the asset that is LFC, JWH has stated on more than one occasion he will not use his own money to fund LFC.
      The club is a solvent entity and self-sufficient, that state of affairs was negated by the fraudulent H&G who were fu**ed off by the courts and a sum of £350m from NESV/FSG saved the club from bankruptcy - LFC is now estimated to be worth close to £2bn.

      Feeding an asset was never more appropriate and doing so at the pinnacle of success even more fitting, failing to do so does imply predominately self-interest issues.

      Yeah, f**k FSG! What have they ever done for us!?

      What, like save the club from bankruptcy, make us self sufficient and commercially strong club, hire the manager and backroom staff that just won our 6th European title and is about to win our first league title for 30 years??

      Yeah but other than that what have they done huh Stuey. Those tight bas**rds won't even spend their own money on the club! They've made us entirely self sufficient instead, the swines...
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      Reply #360: Jun 08, 2020 12:51:28 pm
      The capital generated by the asset that is LFC, JWH has stated on more than one occasion he will not use his own money to fund LFC.
      The club is a solvent entity and self-sufficient, that state of affairs was negated by the fraudulent H&G who were fu**ed off by the courts and a sum of £350m from NESV/FSG saved the club from bankruptcy - LFC is now estimated to be worth close to £2bn.

      Feeding an asset was never more appropriate and doing so at the pinnacle of success even more fitting, failing to do so does imply predominately self-interest issues.


      So they are doing what they said they would and aren’t taking a penny from the club 👍


      “Feeding the asset” ? Is that a fancy saying that you want them to spend their own money buying players ?


      Just because a club is “worth £2billion “ doesn’t mean there is fortunes lying around to spend

      I’m not sure why people still continue to cry about the owners not dipping into their pockets when they stated right from the start they want the club to stand on its own two foot - seems a massively sensible way to run the club and it also seems to be working. Of course the detractors will also just go - Well that’s down to Klopp , who employed him , who put his team in place for us to be were we are now

      We are right in the middle of a pandemic that has hit the club financially - reports that it could be to the tune of over £100mil and the club needs to ensure they stay financially secure through that period and not required to borrow ( like Spurs )


      I’m not sure what “self interest” issues you are suggesting but everything they have done has been at the interest of the club ,  they have played a crucial role in being where we are now.

      Some will never give the credit - there choice , thankfully the management ( Klopp and Co ) work very well together .
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      Reply #361: Jun 08, 2020 02:49:19 pm
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      So what we can see is their transfer policy is spot on then , when the club really wants someone they go and get him even it means increasing the fee - good to see you recognise how good they have become

      Sacked Kenny - sorry but it wasn’t working out with him back as manager , the mistake there was giving him the role permanently but clearly Kenny holds no grudges

      Suarez - sorry how did they abandon Suarez ? This is the same Suarez that disgraced the name of the club three times due to biting and using racist slurs.

      7 years - do you even bother to look into it ? The owners new to the sport put the club in the hands of people to run the football side and commercial side , the commercial side has gone from strength to strength - the football side for 6 years had ups and downs , Cup win , nearly misses in others , back into CL then , Comolli then Ayre until Edwards arrived and also Klopp -

      people sit there playing computer games and thinking it’s real life- they see that City can have £200mil players on the bench and demand that we have the same

      We are about to romp to our first title in 30 years destroying the league and you want to cry and point fingers at cups we didn’t win and a player who hasn’t even been bought by anyone yet and a transfer window that hasn’t even shut yet.

      The Werner deal has been agreed. Just not by us.

      Nobody has demanded 200m quid be spent on players to sit on the bench. All we're asking is that the squad is strengthened, because it needs to be. So we don't go 7 years winning nothing again, or even 30 years hoping to win one trophy. Because you can safely bet our rivals will be doing it in the next transfer window. We used to laugh at Spurs for not investing in their squad. Now it's us that have that problem and it's not a joke. We cannot expect to spend 5m on teenagers and expect to compete for 4 major trophies next season. Only Norwich spent less than us last summer, and they're about to be relegated.

      Its true that the commercial side has gone from strength to strength. Record revenues here, record profits there, lucrative deal with Nike on the way, and yet we're still prioritising this competition over that competition because we don't have the players to compete on multiple fronts, like the best teams in Europe have every year. Doesn't make sense.

      As for Kenny not working out, he brought us to two cup finals, won us our only trophy for 13 years, and got us back into Europe, despite having to deal with the 8 game ban for Suarez based on no evidence. The next season after Kenny left, we won no trophies and didn't qualify for Europe. The following year, our esteemed owners signed the laziest player in world football to replace Suarez, and we know how that went. It was 5 years after that, before silverware was added to the cabinet.

      Our transfer policy is largely dependent on  players such as VVD are willing to wait around for us to sign them up. In his case it worked, in most cases it doesn't.

      When we do win the league, all the credit should go to Jürgen, as he is the difference between where we are, and where the owners would have us be without him.
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      Reply #362: Jun 08, 2020 04:07:56 pm
      Yeah, f**k FSG! What have they ever done for us!?

      What, like save the club from bankruptcy, make us self sufficient and commercially strong club, hire the manager and backroom staff that just won our 6th European title and is about to win our first league title for 30 years??

      Yeah but other than that what have they done huh Stuey. Those tight bas**rds won't even spend their own money on the club! They've made us entirely self sufficient instead, the swines...

      As stated LFC was solvent pre H&G.
      When NESV saw LFC on the brink of bankruptcy due to very questionable business practices they instigated legal proceedings, H&G were fu**ed off and LFC were a steal at £350m.
      That £350m has quadrupled with no further investment - we should be grateful for what?
      NESV saw an opportunity to acquire an asset that was capable of returning their investment over a guaranteed period and had the means to accomplish the takeover.

      LFC is increasing their wealth with absolutely no expenditure and no input whatsoever.

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      Reply #363: Jun 08, 2020 04:18:52 pm
      Pre H&G we may have been solvent but we'd fallen so far behind our rivals commercially, as we completely failed to capitalise on the new broadcasting era.

      Ok.. so FSG saw us as a potential investment. They're investors, so no surprises there. They are not Emiratis buying a trophy club.

      What does no input mean? That they've not meddled directly in affairs a la Abramovich, and instead appointed people who are very capable to run the actual day to day? Is that bad?

      Perhaps you want a bottomless well of money for Klopp to (not) use, but unless you want an oil baron buying your club as a trophy piece - no thanks! - then be happy with FSG. As 'investor' type owners go, they're very, very good. Go ask Arsenal fans about Kroenke, or Utds about the Glazers.
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      Re: Timo Werner (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #364: Jun 08, 2020 04:19:47 pm
      LFC is increasing their wealth with absolutely no expenditure and no input whatsoever.

      And if we're winning trophies left, right and centre while it's happening the problem is what exactly?
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      Re: Timo Werner (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #365: Jun 08, 2020 04:21:35 pm

      That £350m has quadrupled with no further investment -



      Anyone taking this guy seriously..?
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      Reply #366: Jun 08, 2020 04:22:01 pm

      Anyone taking this guy seriously..?

      never have, never will
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      Reply #367: Jun 08, 2020 04:25:53 pm

      I guessed you don’t ..😂

      Seriously though, that’s a poor statement from Stuart..

      He has ingrained himself so deep into anti FSG hate that he has to continue with his crusade..

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