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      Timo Werner (RB Leipzig)

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      Re: Timo Werner (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #350: Jun 06, 2020 10:23:12 pm
      Depends on the number of virtual season tickets sold, think Pay Per View, lots and lots of Liverpool fans in the UK and worldwide.

       :mad:
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      Reply #351: Jun 06, 2020 10:29:35 pm
      I said last summer we would suffer if two of our forwards were injured at the same time, luckily that didn't happen, let's hope it doesn't happen next season either.

      I’m sure that’s all you said.
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      Reply #352: Jun 06, 2020 10:59:02 pm
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      Only one player out of that list would be considered a miss - Sanchez. And they were all under Ayre and Rodgers - world of difference now

      Dempsey - they wanted Henderson in a swap , do you really think we missed out ?

      Sanchez - he chose London

      Salah - Chelsea decided to pay double what we bid , I’m glad because we got a better 3 years later and under Klopp

      Konoplyanka- the release clause was met , their owner refused to let him leave

      Fekir - serious knee issues

      So in reality we aren’t “missing” out due to FSG

      You wanted a list of targets we missed out on. You got a list. Apparantly, Fekir had knee issues. So how come he played a WC, a full season with Lyon and has since gone on to play another season in La Liga? Methinks FSG just didn't want to pay up, and someone else did. Again.

      We'll never know how good the targets who were allowed to go elsewhere would have been. We do know that the only one who we eventually did sign, was seen as a reject before he kicked a ball for us. He then scored 44 goals in his first season for us, got us to a European Cup Final, was the Player Of The Year, and has scored at least 20 league goals every season.

      I can't stop people defending owners who thought it was ok to sack Dalglish, abandoned Suarez, and were in charge during 7 seasons with no silverware to show for it. But I'm going to question them when they should be questioned. This year, we were knocked out of 3 cups, because we had to prioritise this competition over that one, because those who came in were not good enough to cope. This was a chance to strengthen the squad, it wasn't taken, and while they're sitting there admiring the new training ground, he's going to score a ton of goals. For someone else.
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      Reply #353: Jun 06, 2020 11:54:08 pm
      I’m sure that’s all you said.

      Well I also said it was idiotic not to get some genuine cover for the forwards, I still stand by that, we got lucky with injuries.
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      Reply #354: Jun 07, 2020 12:03:30 am
      Well I also said it was idiotic not to get some genuine cover for the forwards, I still stand by that, we got lucky with injuries.



      Has the transfer window shut, or did I miss something.
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      Reply #355: Jun 07, 2020 12:38:26 am
      Well I also said it was idiotic not to get some genuine cover for the forwards, I still stand by that, we got lucky with injuries.

      In hindsight it really wasn’t idiotic though was it? That’s the truth of it. 30 year wait fir the title about to end. And I can see another 6 weeks if you banging the same drum again now repeating exactly the same thing again.
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      Reply #356: Jun 07, 2020 06:58:57 am
      You wanted a list of targets we missed out on. You got a list. Apparantly, Fekir had knee issues. So how come he played a WC, a full season with Lyon and has since gone on to play another season in La Liga? Methinks FSG just didn't want to pay up, and someone else did. Again.


      You made out as if we were missing these key crucial targets that were having a huge affect on us when the truth is missing out on them
      Was irrelevant- good choice after all

      As for Fekir - the club didn’t want to pay the £60mil , again their choice hasn’t been proven wrong has it

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      We'll never know how good the targets who were allowed to go elsewhere would have been. We do know that the only one who we eventually did sign, was seen as a reject before he kicked a ball for us. He then scored 44 goals in his first season for us, got us to a European Cup Final, was the Player Of The Year, and has scored at least 20 league goals every season.


      So what we can see is their transfer policy is spot on then , when the club really wants someone they go and get him even it means increasing the fee - good to see you recognise how good they have become

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      I can't stop people defending owners who thought it was ok to sack Dalglish, abandoned Suarez, and were in charge during 7 seasons with no silverware to show for it. But I'm going to question them when they should be questioned.



      Sacked Kenny - sorry but it wasn’t working out with him back as manager , the mistake there was giving him the role permanently but clearly Kenny holds no grudges

      Suarez - sorry how did they abandon Suarez ? This is the same Suarez that disgraced the name of the club three times due to biting and using racist slurs.

      7 years - do you even bother to look into it ? The owners new to the sport put the club in the hands of people to run the football side and commercial side , the commercial side has gone from strength to strength - the football side for 6 years had ups and downs , Cup win , nearly misses in others , back into CL then , Comolli then Ayre until Edwards arrived and also Klopp -

      for the last 5 years Klopp and Edwards have systematically taken the team apart and rebuilt whilst also improving the team year upon year To the point we are now one of the best in Europe , we have gone 30 years without a league and you want to cry about 7

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      This year, we were knocked out of 3 cups, because we had to prioritise this competition over that one, because those who came in were not good enough to cope. This was a chance to strengthen the squad, it wasn't taken, and while they're sitting there admiring the new training ground, he's going to score a ton of goals. For someone else.

      Klopp has always prioritised the CL and League over the domestic cups

      We got to the 5th round of the FA Cup whilst fielding a talented youth team then faced a full strength Chelsea side

      The EFL Cup was the same time as the Club World Cup

      A mistake knocked us out of the CL nothing to do with strength in depth

      Do you even understand the model of the club ? Do you understand that from day 1 the owners said the club would stand on its own two feet and be self sufficient- people like sit there playing computer games and thinking it’s real life- they see that City can have £200mil players on the bench and demand that we have the same

      We are about to romp to our first title in 30 years destroying the league and wet wipes like you want to cry and point fingers at cups we didn’t win and a player who hasn’t even been bought by anyone yet and a transfer window that hasn’t even shut yet.

      And even if we don’t sign anyone that doesn’t mean the owners are not backing the manager and it doesn’t mean we don’t improve and go again next season

      It’s beyond pathetic the childish nature and demands of the modern internet fan
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      Re: Timo Werner (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #357: Jun 07, 2020 10:35:29 am
      In hindsight it really wasn’t idiotic though was it? That’s the truth of it. 30 year wait fir the title about to end. And I can see another 6 weeks if you banging the same drum again now repeating exactly the same thing again.

      No I still think it was an idiotic risk, if two of our forwards had been injured at the same time then we would not have been 25 points ahead. It's not quite as bad now as we have Minamino and even Elliott to compliment Origi but I'd still prefer to have someone like Werner.
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      Reply #358: Jun 07, 2020 12:15:15 pm
      It’s beyond pathetic the childish nature and demands of the modern internet fan

      Ah yes. Seeing how Hugo Lloris made it to the Ballon d’Or top 25 last year, it would make absolute sense to have him as our backup keeper with Stegen as our third choice.

      They lack ambition by not joining us. We could keep them happy by rotating them. Each play a game every three matches. Does it work that way? If that happens, Liverpool would have 9 of the top 28 Ballon d’Or nominees last year. Impressive.

      I feel much more secure as fan. So much for my own insecurities. :aaliverpool2xt1:
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      Reply #359: Jun 07, 2020 12:21:30 pm
      Well I also said it was idiotic not to get some genuine cover for the forwards, I still stand by that, we got lucky with injuries.

      How often to teams lose their best player for months on end because of injury? It’s not that common
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      Reply #360: Jun 07, 2020 12:48:46 pm
      Wonder how much the Nike deal brings in?
      I believe but not 100% that we receive about 20 million per year and 20% of sales of our merchandise. Quite a unique deal, but hey we are a unique club :f_whistle:
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      Reply #361: Jun 07, 2020 12:50:01 pm
      Let's hope that some funds are made available to strengthen a squad that will be decimated next season when the Africa cup gets under way.
      Don't anyone hold their breathe.
      I believe the afcon is postponed for a year.
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      Reply #362: Jun 07, 2020 01:50:03 pm
      How often to teams lose their best player for months on end because of injury? It’s not that common

      erm Kane at Spurs, LaPorte at Citeh, both had huge impacts
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      Reply #363: Jun 07, 2020 02:33:42 pm
      How often to teams lose their best player for months on end because of injury? It’s not that common

      Oh I dunno, Harry Kane breaks his chin every few months.
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      Reply #364: Jun 07, 2020 02:35:37 pm
      Oh I dunno, Harry Kane breaks his chin every few months.

      That’s because he’s made of plastic, seeing how vulnerable he is within 18 yards of his goal.
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      Reply #365: Jun 07, 2020 02:46:41 pm

      They lack ambition by not joining us. We could keep them happy by rotating them. Each play a game every three matches. Does it work that way?

      I just realised that I do not have a lot of foresight. If any, I’m so dumb.

      If I am a top three Goalkeeper, why would I want to join Liverpool and be a backup? I’m paid by appearances and clean sheets. Why do I want to play once every three games? Because Liverpool is winning everything? Because we have Jürgen? Because we have the best fans? Because I’ll be paid more than Ali?

      Screw it. If I play once every three games, wouldn’t my wouldn’t it hurt my chances of being selected for my national team?

      I find meself very silly. At best it’s a fantasy, not our luxury. :f_steam:
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      Reply #366: Jun 07, 2020 03:58:46 pm
      How often to teams lose their best player for months on end because of injury? It’s not that common
      Ah come on an injury can come from anywhere very easily, think of Sane in the community shield last year, a small wrong turn put him on the shelf for the season
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      Reply #367: Jun 07, 2020 05:08:30 pm
      Right now nothing , and a lot of the Nike money is based on sharing commercial sales etc as opposed to a fixed fee

      So you imply Nike sponsorship is worthless?
      Regardless of the fact their logo is displayed on every LFC strip purchased

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      AFCON Looking likely to be postponed until 2022

      Some relief in that we have less international call up injuries to worry about.
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      Reply #368: Jun 07, 2020 05:12:03 pm
      So you imply Nike sponsorship is worthless?
      Regardless of the fact their logo is displayed on every LFC strip purchased

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      Some relief in that we have less international call up injuries to worry about.

       In regards the Nike deal it hasn’t started yet so we have had no funds from them - but the big earning point with the Nike deal is the 20% of sales which obviously won’t start until this season is finished and the Nike shirts hit the shops
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      Reply #369: Jun 07, 2020 05:35:05 pm
      In regards the Nike deal it hasn’t started yet so we have had no funds from them - but the big earning point with the Nike deal is the 20% of sales which obviously won’t start until this season is finished and the Nike shirts hit the shops

      The contracts have been signed and the deal with the world's biggest sportswear company is reported to be just shy of £40m  a year, money in the bank.
      A reflection of the global market worth of LFC which makes any uncertainty/unwillingness to consolidate the asset questionable business acumen.
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      Reply #370: Jun 07, 2020 05:41:31 pm
      The contracts have been signed and the deal with the world's biggest sportswear company is reported to be just shy of £40m  a year, money in the bank.
      A reflection of the global market worth of LFC which makes any uncertainty/unwillingness to consolidate the asset questionable business acumen.


      Deal has been signed - no money in the bank yet. As said the big money comes from the shirt sales.


      It seems the club are consolidating the asset by ensuring they club is kept on financially solid footing. The club is going too and has already suffered significant losses during the lockdown period - some clubs are going to struggle with many taking out loans ala Spurs , the good news for us is we won’t have to do that but our profit and ability to spend significant amounts will have to be on the back burner.
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      Reply #371: Jun 07, 2020 06:30:28 pm

      Deal has been signed - no money in the bank yet. As said the big money comes from the shirt sales.


      It seems the club are consolidating the asset by ensuring they club is kept on financially solid footing. The club is going too and has already suffered significant losses during the lockdown period - some clubs are going to struggle with many taking out loans ala Spurs , the good news for us is we won’t have to do that but our profit and ability to spend significant amounts will have to be on the back burner.

      While our owners sit back and stockpile their Dollas
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      Reply #372: Jun 07, 2020 06:40:44 pm
      While our owners sit back and stockpile their Dollas

      Pardon ? What’s “dollars” are they stockpiling
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      Reply #373: Jun 07, 2020 07:14:13 pm

      Deal has been signed - no money in the bank yet. As said the big money comes from the shirt sales.


      It seems the club are consolidating the asset by ensuring they club is kept on financially solid footing. The club is going too and has already suffered significant losses during the lockdown period - some clubs are going to struggle with many taking out loans ala Spurs , the good news for us is we won’t have to do that but our profit and ability to spend significant amounts will have to be on the back burner.
      I hope we do not have to do that Spurs have a Billion pound stadium to pay for.
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      Reply #374: Jun 07, 2020 10:48:34 pm
      I would still like to know where the 100m we had for transfers before we sold the little Brazilian went.

      The boss centre back and the boss goalie!

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