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      Reply #375: Jun 07, 2020 10:55:56 pm
      So by the sounds of everything we're going again with the same squad minus the odd one or two for 20/21 then probably spend big for 21/22 when we've cashed in the initial nike shirt/kit sales.

      M'bappe ;)

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      Reply #376: Jun 08, 2020 11:46:05 am
      Pardon ? What’s “dollars” are they stockpiling

      The capital generated by the asset that is LFC, JWH has stated on more than one occasion he will not use his own money to fund LFC.
      The club is a solvent entity and self-sufficient, that state of affairs was negated by the fraudulent H&G who were fu**ed off by the courts and a sum of £350m from NESV/FSG saved the club from bankruptcy - LFC is now estimated to be worth close to £2bn.

      Feeding an asset was never more appropriate and doing so at the pinnacle of success even more fitting, failing to do so does imply predominately self-interest issues.
      « Last Edit: Jun 08, 2020 11:53:38 am by stuey »
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      Reply #377: Jun 08, 2020 12:44:27 pm
      The capital generated by the asset that is LFC, JWH has stated on more than one occasion he will not use his own money to fund LFC.
      The club is a solvent entity and self-sufficient, that state of affairs was negated by the fraudulent H&G who were fu**ed off by the courts and a sum of £350m from NESV/FSG saved the club from bankruptcy - LFC is now estimated to be worth close to £2bn.

      Feeding an asset was never more appropriate and doing so at the pinnacle of success even more fitting, failing to do so does imply predominately self-interest issues.

      Yeah, f**k FSG! What have they ever done for us!?

      What, like save the club from bankruptcy, make us self sufficient and commercially strong club, hire the manager and backroom staff that just won our 6th European title and is about to win our first league title for 30 years??

      Yeah but other than that what have they done huh Stuey. Those tight bas**rds won't even spend their own money on the club! They've made us entirely self sufficient instead, the swines...
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      Reply #378: Jun 08, 2020 12:51:28 pm
      The capital generated by the asset that is LFC, JWH has stated on more than one occasion he will not use his own money to fund LFC.
      The club is a solvent entity and self-sufficient, that state of affairs was negated by the fraudulent H&G who were fu**ed off by the courts and a sum of £350m from NESV/FSG saved the club from bankruptcy - LFC is now estimated to be worth close to £2bn.

      Feeding an asset was never more appropriate and doing so at the pinnacle of success even more fitting, failing to do so does imply predominately self-interest issues.


      So they are doing what they said they would and aren’t taking a penny from the club 👍


      “Feeding the asset” ? Is that a fancy saying that you want them to spend their own money buying players ?


      Just because a club is “worth £2billion “ doesn’t mean there is fortunes lying around to spend

      I’m not sure why people still continue to cry about the owners not dipping into their pockets when they stated right from the start they want the club to stand on its own two foot - seems a massively sensible way to run the club and it also seems to be working. Of course the detractors will also just go - Well that’s down to Klopp , who employed him , who put his team in place for us to be were we are now

      We are right in the middle of a pandemic that has hit the club financially - reports that it could be to the tune of over £100mil and the club needs to ensure they stay financially secure through that period and not required to borrow ( like Spurs )


      I’m not sure what “self interest” issues you are suggesting but everything they have done has been at the interest of the club ,  they have played a crucial role in being where we are now.

      Some will never give the credit - there choice , thankfully the management ( Klopp and Co ) work very well together .
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      Reply #379: Jun 08, 2020 02:00:45 pm
      I think the thing that we should take from owners is h&g said they'd have a spade in the ground on a new stadium in a month and proceeded to spend $50m on architects fees to design that stadium, 50 f**king million. We all know how that ended up.

      FSG said they'd make the club self sufficient and it would only spend the money it made, they also said they knew how to win. They've been proven right on both counts.

      Any one of us could've died over the last few months. Just be grateful for what you've got and stop wanting what you haven't.
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      Reply #380: Jun 08, 2020 02:49:19 pm
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      So what we can see is their transfer policy is spot on then , when the club really wants someone they go and get him even it means increasing the fee - good to see you recognise how good they have become

      Sacked Kenny - sorry but it wasn’t working out with him back as manager , the mistake there was giving him the role permanently but clearly Kenny holds no grudges

      Suarez - sorry how did they abandon Suarez ? This is the same Suarez that disgraced the name of the club three times due to biting and using racist slurs.

      7 years - do you even bother to look into it ? The owners new to the sport put the club in the hands of people to run the football side and commercial side , the commercial side has gone from strength to strength - the football side for 6 years had ups and downs , Cup win , nearly misses in others , back into CL then , Comolli then Ayre until Edwards arrived and also Klopp -

      people sit there playing computer games and thinking it’s real life- they see that City can have £200mil players on the bench and demand that we have the same

      We are about to romp to our first title in 30 years destroying the league and you want to cry and point fingers at cups we didn’t win and a player who hasn’t even been bought by anyone yet and a transfer window that hasn’t even shut yet.

      The Werner deal has been agreed. Just not by us.

      Nobody has demanded 200m quid be spent on players to sit on the bench. All we're asking is that the squad is strengthened, because it needs to be. So we don't go 7 years winning nothing again, or even 30 years hoping to win one trophy. Because you can safely bet our rivals will be doing it in the next transfer window. We used to laugh at Spurs for not investing in their squad. Now it's us that have that problem and it's not a joke. We cannot expect to spend 5m on teenagers and expect to compete for 4 major trophies next season. Only Norwich spent less than us last summer, and they're about to be relegated.

      Its true that the commercial side has gone from strength to strength. Record revenues here, record profits there, lucrative deal with Nike on the way, and yet we're still prioritising this competition over that competition because we don't have the players to compete on multiple fronts, like the best teams in Europe have every year. Doesn't make sense.

      As for Kenny not working out, he brought us to two cup finals, won us our only trophy for 13 years, and got us back into Europe, despite having to deal with the 8 game ban for Suarez based on no evidence. The next season after Kenny left, we won no trophies and didn't qualify for Europe. The following year, our esteemed owners signed the laziest player in world football to replace Suarez, and we know how that went. It was 5 years after that, before silverware was added to the cabinet.

      Our transfer policy is largely dependent on  players such as VVD are willing to wait around for us to sign them up. In his case it worked, in most cases it doesn't.

      When we do win the league, all the credit should go to Jürgen, as he is the difference between where we are, and where the owners would have us be without him.
      « Last Edit: Jun 08, 2020 03:09:18 pm by lfc across the water »
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      Reply #381: Jun 08, 2020 04:07:56 pm
      Yeah, f**k FSG! What have they ever done for us!?

      What, like save the club from bankruptcy, make us self sufficient and commercially strong club, hire the manager and backroom staff that just won our 6th European title and is about to win our first league title for 30 years??

      Yeah but other than that what have they done huh Stuey. Those tight bas**rds won't even spend their own money on the club! They've made us entirely self sufficient instead, the swines...

      As stated LFC was solvent pre H&G.
      When NESV saw LFC on the brink of bankruptcy due to very questionable business practices they instigated legal proceedings, H&G were fu**ed off and LFC were a steal at £350m.
      That £350m has quadrupled with no further investment - we should be grateful for what?
      NESV saw an opportunity to acquire an asset that was capable of returning their investment over a guaranteed period and had the means to accomplish the takeover.

      LFC is increasing their wealth with absolutely no expenditure and no input whatsoever.

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      Reply #382: Jun 08, 2020 04:18:52 pm
      Pre H&G we may have been solvent but we'd fallen so far behind our rivals commercially, as we completely failed to capitalise on the new broadcasting era.

      Ok.. so FSG saw us as a potential investment. They're investors, so no surprises there. They are not Emiratis buying a trophy club.

      What does no input mean? That they've not meddled directly in affairs a la Abramovich, and instead appointed people who are very capable to run the actual day to day? Is that bad?

      Perhaps you want a bottomless well of money for Klopp to (not) use, but unless you want an oil baron buying your club as a trophy piece - no thanks! - then be happy with FSG. As 'investor' type owners go, they're very, very good. Go ask Arsenal fans about Kroenke, or Utds about the Glazers.
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      Reply #383: Jun 08, 2020 04:19:47 pm
      LFC is increasing their wealth with absolutely no expenditure and no input whatsoever.

      And if we're winning trophies left, right and centre while it's happening the problem is what exactly?
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      Reply #384: Jun 08, 2020 04:21:35 pm

      That £350m has quadrupled with no further investment -



      Anyone taking this guy seriously..?
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      Reply #385: Jun 08, 2020 04:22:01 pm

      Anyone taking this guy seriously..?

      never have, never will
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      Reply #386: Jun 08, 2020 04:25:53 pm

      I guessed you don’t ..😂

      Seriously though, that’s a poor statement from Stuart..

      He has ingrained himself so deep into anti FSG hate that he has to continue with his crusade..
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      Reply #387: Jun 08, 2020 04:42:06 pm
      The Werner deal has been agreed. Just not by us.

      Nobody has demanded 200m quid be spent on players to sit on the bench. All we're asking is that the squad is strengthened, because it needs to be. So we don't go 7 years winning nothing again, or even 30 years hoping to win one trophy. Because you can safely bet our rivals will be doing it in the next transfer window. We used to laugh at Spurs for not investing in their squad. Now it's us that have that problem and it's not a joke. We cannot expect to spend 5m on teenagers and expect to compete for 4 major trophies next season. Only Norwich spent less than us last summer, and they're about to be relegated.


      It seems to me you are more interested in what we spend as opposed to the results on the pitch - who cares if only Norwich spent less , we have improved to the point we have a 20 plus point lead at the top of the table - if you can’t see that it shows you don’t always have to spend to improve a team. The manager and his policy and structure is improving the team , we are integrating youth players and if the manager really needs a player then I have no doubt they will buy him

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      Its true that the commercial side has gone from strength to strength. Record revenues here, record profits there, lucrative deal with Nike on the way, and yet we're still prioritising this competition over that competition because we don't have the players to compete on multiple fronts, like the best teams in Europe have every year. Doesn't make sense.
      we will never have players to compete on all fronts , not many teams do especially when we have 4 trophies , 99% of the teams priority is the league and the CL if they are in it. City maybe be able to attract multi millions to sit on the bench , same with PSG but I’m sure you can guess their connection.

      We have a very good squad right now and one that can challenge on both the league and CL , and that is what matters


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      As for Kenny not working out, he brought us to two cup finals, won us our only trophy for 13 years, and got us back into Europe, despite having to deal with the 8 game ban for Suarez based on no evidence. The next season after Kenny left, we won no trophies and didn't qualify for Europe. The following year, our esteemed owners signed the laziest player in world football to replace Suarez, and we know how that went. It was 5 years after that, before silverware was added to the cabinet.


      Kenny was the wrong pick after his initial period of interim manager and he even admitted that he shouldn’t have been given the job , you bleat on about challenging on all fronts and with Kenny we were shocking in the league. And why was it our owners signing lazy players ? Was that not with the management ? Or did they personally sign him.

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      Our transfer policy is largely dependent on  players such as VVD are willing to wait around for us to sign them up. In his case it worked, in most cases it doesn't.

      Just VVD ? What about all the other players signed since Rodgers left ?

      Mane , Mo , Gini , Fabinho , Alisson , Firmino , Robbo , Matip

      It’s quite clear that the transfer policy is working and has helped the manager build a team that wins major competitions

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      When we do win the league, all the credit should go to Jürgen, as he is the difference between where we are, and where the owners would have us be without him.


      The credit goes to the whole of the team not just Klopp and Klopp himself will recognise that
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      Reply #388: Jun 08, 2020 04:50:00 pm
      As stated LFC was solvent pre H&G.
      When NESV saw LFC on the brink of bankruptcy due to very questionable business practices they instigated legal proceedings, H&G were fu**ed off and LFC were a steal at £350m.
      That £350m has quadrupled with no further investment - we should be grateful for what?
      NESV saw an opportunity to acquire an asset that was capable of returning their investment over a guaranteed period and had the means to accomplish the takeover.

      LFC is increasing their wealth with absolutely no expenditure and no input whatsoever.


      That’s pretty poor if you tbink that have improved the club with no input - really poor.


      Im not sure what your issues are with the owners but under their ownership we are back where we belong

      Maybe you are unable to swallow some sort of pride or back track on this negative theory about the owners.
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      Reply #389: Jun 08, 2020 05:01:40 pm
      So by the sounds of everything we're going again with the same squad minus the odd one or two for 20/21 then probably spend big for 21/22 when we've cashed in the initial nike shirt/kit sales.

      M'bappe ;)

      :laugh:

      Not a chance we would have to sell to buy give it a season and we will be going backwards
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      Reply #390: Jun 08, 2020 05:03:26 pm
      I guessed you don’t ..😂

      Seriously though, that’s a poor statement from Stuart..

      He has ingrained himself so deep into anti FSG hate that he has to continue with his crusade..

      Its one of the reasons I used to lock horns with him, he goes on a crusade and just gets completely blinkered to any reasoned argument or debate. I know I can be a pain in the arse as well but I do genuinely try to take other points on board and sometimes, very very rarely, I do change my mind. ;-)
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      Reply #391: Jun 08, 2020 05:04:00 pm
      Everton have outspent us !
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      Reply #392: Jun 08, 2020 05:05:41 pm

      That’s pretty poor if you tbink that have improved the club with no input - really poor.


      Im not sure what your issues are with the owners but under their ownership we are back where we belong

      Maybe you are unable to swallow some sort of pride or back track on this negative theory about the owners.

      They are rich American capitalists, anyone of those three is enough reason for Stuey to hate them, combined its just toxic!!

      in all seriousness I do wish the owners could make some more money available sometimes but I'd much rather have careful and smart owners than reckless idiots.
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      Reply #393: Jun 08, 2020 05:06:00 pm

      and how did that work out last season?
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      Reply #394: Jun 08, 2020 05:08:53 pm
      This has quite clearly gone into a topic about the owners.

      Locked until there are any further updates on the club and Timo Werner.

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