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      Reply #125: Feb 17, 2020 03:58:45 pm
      just edging his bets until the final verdict is given then he will be off like a scalded Cat

      or he'll just treat it like a sabbatical and give himself plenty of time to pick his next club whilst picking up a hefty pay check.
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      Reply #126: Feb 17, 2020 04:26:02 pm
      "has told friends"

      "it is understood"

      Codewords for 'we're pulling sh*t out of our ass here'. I'd be surprised if he wasn't at Juve next season.

      Wouldn't going back to Barca be the preferred narrative for him, returning champion coming to make right all that has gone wrong since he left? I don't think the guy they hired a few weeks ago is likely to stick very long, especially if they work out a deal to bring back Pep.
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      Reply #127: Feb 17, 2020 06:02:04 pm
      Talk of pep possibly going to Juve !
      Why don’t he go to someone like Palma, so we can see him build s side instead of buying one.
      Opportunity to prove his metal here 😁
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      Reply #128: Feb 17, 2020 06:12:29 pm
      Talk of pep possibly going to Juve !
      Why don’t he go to someone like Palma, so we can see him build s side instead of buying one.
      Opportunity to prove his metal here 😁

      Yep.
      A true world class manager would be able to build a team, like Klopp has done before with very limited resources.
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      Reply #129: Feb 17, 2020 06:23:08 pm
      If the other party cheated then yes we did win it fair and square, same as last year, it would however mean that  Manure also get an extra title for 2017/18 although that's tougher to claim considering how far back they were.



      Wouldn't they get awarded the Agueroooooooooooooooo last minute one!!

      F**k that I just want titles we've won....but in the meantime let's enjoy the complete and utter meltdown by them moss side virgins :laugh:
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      Reply #130: Feb 17, 2020 06:25:37 pm
      Weird bunch of cu*ts them city fans.

      When they eventually get sanctioned by the FA, they'll be saying....


      It's all the Dippoh's fault blah blah blah wrecked coach etc etc
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      Reply #131: Feb 17, 2020 06:28:44 pm
      Yep.
      A true world class manager would be able to build a team, like Klopp has done before with very limited resources.

      I don't think he could manage that, he seems to rely heavily on having a team already built for him. Klopp, on the other hand, could probably get Yeovil into the Premier League if he went there. ;D
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      Reply #132: Feb 17, 2020 07:37:51 pm
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      I wouldn’t want the title, they won that fair & square to be honest, we gave it our best that season & the disappointment of loosing by 1 point has taken us to the level we have this season.

      I would want it. You couldn't run a parade through the streets granted, but it would mean equalling that title record and killing off that chant, rather earlier than anticipated.

      They didn't win it fair and square tbh, which is sort of the point about the whole thing. If athletes from Olympics years ago are found to have cheated, they are stripped of their medals, and officially their results are not recognised and therefore they won nothing.

      Having said that, I don't think it will happen tbh, but there must be zero tolerance for cheats in football, on or off the pitch.

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      But it's thrown the top 4 into question. They will appeal it but the ruling interferes with the Premier League competition. City deserve all they get but the ruling should've been left to the end of the season.

      As a certain tennis player once said, "you cannot be serious".

      For arguments sake, we finish 5th in May and think we're in Europe. We've had enough experience of it to know what it's like in recent years. Then we hear in June that someone else above us have been banned, and because we finished 5th we will play in the European Cup, subject to appeal. Apart from being forced to wait around for something we have no control over and can do nothing about, how are we supposed to draw up transfer budgets and sign new players, if we don't know what competition we are going to play in Europe? While those who finished below us are in an even worse position, they don't know if they will be in Europe or not or even what round of Europe they will enter in, waiting around like zombies for the appeal to be heard and the decision to be made. It would be completely ludicrous, and you would be one of the many on here complaining why it took so long. In that case, time would not be on our side. The qualifiers start at the end of June.

      Of course the decision has to be made before the end of the season, so the appeals process can end by then. Atm, they're still in Europe until such time as CAS rule otherwise, and so we have to prepare for the likelihood that CAS will not uphold the UEFA sanction. I can't see the full original sanction upheld, they usually don't unless the case is waterproof.

      But if it is upheld, it's Pandoras Box opened. The whole point of the club set up is to lay their blood money all over the European Cup. All the mercenaries will flee the nest, up to and including the head man. None of them have the bottle to wait 3 years to play in Europe. They'll just pis off somewhere else. And even if they get through UEFA, they still have the FA to deal with. Just what a dull, ordinary, colourless, soulless cash cow franchise for a tyrannical offshore regime deserve.

      If they are banned, you may as well hand us the league title for those coming years also, because nobody else is capable of living with our team. The next team down finished 25 points behind us last year, and are already 25 points behind us this year. It took us 2 years to close that gap, it's going to take the rest much longer than that.
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      Reply #133: Feb 17, 2020 08:25:34 pm
      I would want it. You couldn't run a parade through the streets granted, but it would mean equalling that title record and killing off that chant, rather earlier than anticipated.

      They didn't win it fair and square tbh, which is sort of the point about the whole thing. If athletes from Olympics years ago are found to have cheated, they are stripped of their medals, and officially their results are not recognised and therefore they won nothing.

      Having said that, I don't think it will happen tbh, but there must be zero tolerance for cheats in football, on or off the pitch.

      As a certain tennis player once said, "you cannot be serious".

      For arguments sake, we finish 5th in May and think we're in Europe. We've had enough experience of it to know what it's like in recent years. Then we hear in June that someone else above us have been banned, and because we finished 5th we will play in the European Cup, subject to appeal. Apart from being forced to wait around for something we have no control over and can do nothing about, how are we supposed to draw up transfer budgets and sign new players, if we don't know what competition we are going to play in Europe? While those who finished below us are in an even worse position, they don't know if they will be in Europe or not or even what round of Europe they will enter in, waiting around like zombies for the appeal to be heard and the decision to be made. It would be completely ludicrous, and you would be one of the many on here complaining why it took so long. In that case, time would not be on our side. The qualifiers start at the end of June.

      Of course the decision has to be made before the end of the season, so the appeals process can end by then. Atm, they're still in Europe until such time as CAS rule otherwise, and so we have to prepare for the likelihood that CAS will not uphold the UEFA sanction. I can't see the full original sanction upheld, they usually don't unless the case is waterproof.

      But if it is upheld, it's Pandoras Box opened. The whole point of the club set up is to lay their blood money all over the European Cup. All the mercenaries will flee the nest, up to and including the head man. None of them have the bottle to wait 3 years to play in Europe. They'll just pis off somewhere else. And even if they get through UEFA, they still have the FA to deal with. Just what a dull, ordinary, colourless, soulless cash cow franchise for a tyrannical offshore regime deserve.

      If they are banned, you may as well hand us the league title for those coming years also, because nobody else is capable of living with our team. The next team down finished 25 points behind us last year, and are already 25 points behind us this year. It took us 2 years to close that gap, it's going to take the rest much longer than that.

      There's no guarantee the CAS will report even before the start of next season. Uefa have effectively changed the qualification criteria mid seaon. The ban will be cut back to one year, and the FA as I said earlier,will likely give City a 15pt deduction suspended for 5 years.

      All the rest of your post is conjecture is it not. Always intrested to read your posts, although of late there's a hint of waffle being interspersed with the odd good idea.

      Of course Mancheater City deserve all they get and they have lived up to their nickname. Their fans will bemoan and call UEFA every name under the sun but they have been let down by City's bean counters as they have form in this direction to the tune of a £50m fine in 2014.
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      Reply #134: Feb 17, 2020 08:47:52 pm
      If, and you have to say it's a big if, the ban is upheld then they have the same problem as has befallen Saracens in RU. They will then have to prove they have put their house in order and aren't still breaking the rules.
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      Reply #135: Feb 17, 2020 08:49:41 pm
      There's no guarantee the CAS will report even before the start of next season. Uefa have effectively changed the qualification criteria mid seaon. The ban will be cut back to one year, and the FA as I said earlier,will likely give City a 15pt deduction suspended for 5 years.

      All the rest of your post is conjecture is it not. Always intrested to read your posts, although of late there's a hint of waffle being interspersed with the odd good idea.

      Of course Mancheater City deserve all they get and they have lived up to their nickname. Their fans will bemoan and call UEFA every name under the sun but they have been let down by City's bean counters as they have form in this direction to the tune of a £50m fine in 2014.

      Your post is also conjecture or do you know for a fact that cas will reduce the punishment and what the Premier league will do?

      I think the punishment will be upheld and the Prem will have to take action themselves.
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      Reply #136: Feb 17, 2020 08:56:22 pm
      Your post is also conjecture or do you know for a fact that cas will reduce the punishment and what the Premier league will do?

      I think the punishment will be upheld and the Prem will have to take action themselves.

      End of the day it won't be the prem, it'll be the FA that will have to deal with it and then you get into the confusing side of the FA/Prem's FFP which is a little bit more relaxed than UEFA's.

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      Reply #137: Feb 17, 2020 08:59:29 pm
      Your post is also conjecture or do you know for a fact that cas will reduce the punishment and what the Premier league will do?

      I think the punishment will be upheld and the Prem will have to take action themselves.

      Tu Che mucker..
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      Reply #138: Feb 17, 2020 09:27:06 pm
      From a piece from Ian Herbert in the Mail:

      "The question of Guardiola's salary is by no means the only one raised by the Football Leaks documents, which suggest an abundance of ways were found to deliver Abu Dhabi money to City under the table. A letter by City lawyer Simon Cliff jokes about the death of Jean-Luc Dehaene who was one of seven FFP overseers. 'One down, 6 to go,' Cliff joked. Grubby."

      Not just grubby, but poor taste!
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      Reply #139: Feb 17, 2020 09:56:41 pm
      they are toast and rightly so. I don't agree with FFP but you cant sign up to something and then say you don't like the rules when things go against you. I suspect there is even more to be found if they right people did the digging
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      Reply #140: Feb 17, 2020 10:22:01 pm
      Plenty of teams get crucified for not having any money and for struggling to operate, with point deductions and demotions being thrown around without a thought it seems. The rules should be no different for being corrupt and deliberately misleading your accounts.
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      Reply #141: Feb 17, 2020 10:41:57 pm
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      There's no guarantee the CAS will report even before the start of next season. Uefa have effectively changed the qualification criteria mid seaon. The ban will be cut back to one year, and the FA as I said earlier,will likely give City a 15pt deduction suspended for 5 years.

      Of course Mancheater City have form in this direction to the tune of a £50m fine in 2014.

      CAS usually deal with cases relatively swiftly. It's not the standard criminal trial that takes several years to begin, let alone finish. It needs to be soon, as the sanction takes effect before the Euros are over.

      UEFA have not changed the qualifying criteria. The same criteria applies. 4 teams from the EPL are allocated an automatic place in the European Cup, as normal. Its the FA who will submit to UEFA who the teams are, based on where they finished in the previous season. Its the UEFA Cup where the allocation gets trickier, and you don't want to be the 5th place side waiting all summer long for the verdict. For those reasons, it's not possible to wait until the end of the season.
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      Reply #142: Feb 17, 2020 10:47:49 pm
      When teams enters 'administration' in the Football League they are automatically deducted 10 points. In the Premier league it's a 9 point deduction.( because they play less games). Going into administration avoids companies going into 'liquidation', where assets ect have to be sold off to pay debtors etc.

      It could be argued that because City inflated some income or fee's in order to meet the '3 year break even' rule, set by UEFA, that they were technically insolvent and ergo should be docked 9points.

      And that should be the outcome of the FA's investigation. After all said and done other teams have been docked points for going into administration...even worse City artificially avoided ..fiddled it... to circumvent the '3 year break even' rule..

      9 point deduction...if not it's an FA cop out..
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      Reply #143: Feb 17, 2020 11:13:12 pm
      CAS usually deal with cases relatively swiftly. It's not the standard criminal trial that takes several years to begin, let alone finish. It needs to be soon, as the sanction takes effect before the Euros are over.

      UEFA have not changed the qualifying criteria. The same criteria applies. 4 teams from the EPL are allocated an automatic place in the European Cup, as normal. Its the FA who will submit to UEFA who the teams are, based on where they finished in the previous season. Its the UEFA Cup where the allocation gets trickier, and you don't want to be the 5th place side waiting all summer long for the verdict. For those reasons, it's not possible to wait until the end of the season.

      Well they have changed the QC because City will finish in the top 4 and unless CAS overturn the UEFA decision, then a team OUTSIDE the top 4 will take City's place. On the other point you made in saying teams needed to know the score so they can plan ahead,well UEFA's decisions aren't made quicker to help other teams. May be for the sake of expediency but not to give any club any help.
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      Reply #144: Feb 17, 2020 11:29:58 pm
      Well they have changed the QC because City will finish in the top 4 and unless CAS overturn the UEFA decision, then a team OUTSIDE the top 4 will take City's place.

      They've not really changed it though, the position in the top 4 that City get will become void and 5th essentially becomes 4th.
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      Reply #145: Feb 17, 2020 11:35:05 pm
      Gary Neville claims that Owner investment thru whatever means has to be allowed, basically because it will be the same teams winning it year after year. And that it's not in the interest of competitive football, and that it would take a generation, even longer for City to match the "organic" growth of Man U.

      He says FFP is a nonsense and it might stop the Owner/investment cash flow. But there has to be a balance because some of these "owners" have untold Billions and in some cases a whole industry and they don't know when to stop and that damages the fabric of the game.

      If left to invest (lose) as much money as they want, to buy success then they will untill their ego's are satisfied.
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      Reply #146: Feb 17, 2020 11:43:37 pm
      Gary Neville claims that Owner investment thru whatever means has to be allowed, basically because it will be the same teams winning it year after year.

      There's more likely the same teams winning it every year without FFP. United when they were the only team who could spend, won it virtually every year. Chelsea, came into money and dominated, City came into money and have monopolised domestic football for the previous couple of years.

      Neville is just showing his typical Manc side saying that because he knows that United are losing more and more income but having to spend more and more just to keep in the battle to get European football, let alone competing for anything.
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      Reply #147: Feb 17, 2020 11:48:59 pm
      Gary Neville claims that Owner investment thru whatever means has to be allowed, basically because it will be the same teams winning it year after year. And that it's not in the interest of competitive football, and that it would take a generation, even longer for City to match the "organic" growth of Man U.

      He says FFP is a nonsense and it might stop the Owner/investment cash flow. But there has to be a balance because some of these "owners" have untold Billions and in some cases a whole industry and they don't know when to stop and that damages the fabric of the game.

      If left to invest (lose) as much money as they want, to buy success then they will untill their ego's are satisfied.

      Haha nothing to do with him and his Salford boys bank rolling that club artificially into the football league I'm sure.

      This isnt as much tondonwith over spending though as much as it is to do with City cooking the books.

      Neville and co have been accused of buying their way to the top in the same way but on a smaller scale to the Etihad child labourers.
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      Reply #148: Feb 18, 2020 12:03:39 am
      Haha nothing to do with him and his Salford boys bank rolling that club artificially into the football league I'm sure.

      This isnt as much tondonwith over spending though as much as it is to do with City cooking the books.

      Neville and co have been accused of buying their way to the top in the same way but on a smaller scale to the Etihad child labourers.

      Fair point and it's in the interest of people in the industry to keep the money flowing in. TV owns the game or dictates kick off times and we can live with that but Owner investment has to have some boundaries and FFP might not be perfect but at least it curbs the mega rich from just shuving in £billions untill they get what they crave.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #149: Feb 18, 2020 02:18:50 am
      If they are allowed to pour in until millions, that’s the end of football as a competition.
      A it all becomes French Ligue 1 and PSG.
      Clubs can build by buying shrewdly and generating more cash by finishing higher in the league, in return generating a bigger fan base and merchandise income.
      Yeah, it takes time, we had a decent fan base due to the size if the city, but we’re in a pretty poor state in the 50s early60s.
      Clubs get huge cash injections now from the Prem, t.v. And C L if they are clever enough to get there.
      The clubs that have BUILT SUCCESS, shouldn’t be penalised for it. But the bankrolling has to stop.
      The main problem is, clubs still use the same crap managers who do the merrigoround of managing the same few clubs. The top coaching badges are protected from the ordinary man in the street by the huge financial burden and the fact you’d have to forfeit your income while you undertook the two years of coaching training. Absolute scandal of a system for the elite few again.
      If the clubs had more vision, they’d get rid of the mediocre crap that continues to do the rounds. Invest in some new blood.
      We took years to build our bastion of invincibility, gone through the lean times, and are now rebuilding within the financial restraints of FFP. So are the rest of the Prem clubs, although Chelsea have bought success without doubt. Utd did by way of bribes to young players parents back in the early days of old bacon face as well. Although that’s in the past now.
      So why do City think they can bypass these rules, and what the f**k is going on with all the media and pundits siding with them.
      I just don’t get why anyone would publicly support open commercial cheating on this scale.
      The lot of them should be utterly ashamed of themselves. They have a duty, working on a public media platform, to remain totally impartial.  Instead, they’ve got their tongues so far up Peps arse it embarrassing.
      Time for a reshuffle I think. Lineker and his predjudiced creeps and all them wankers alongside Richard Keys on sky, time to get rid of those for the good of the sport.

      Rant over.

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