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      Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban

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      HUYTON RED
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #138: Feb 17, 2020 09:27:06 pm
      From a piece from Ian Herbert in the Mail:

      "The question of Guardiola's salary is by no means the only one raised by the Football Leaks documents, which suggest an abundance of ways were found to deliver Abu Dhabi money to City under the table. A letter by City lawyer Simon Cliff jokes about the death of Jean-Luc Dehaene who was one of seven FFP overseers. 'One down, 6 to go,' Cliff joked. Grubby."

      Not just grubby, but poor taste!
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      Reply #139: Feb 17, 2020 09:56:41 pm
      they are toast and rightly so. I don't agree with FFP but you cant sign up to something and then say you don't like the rules when things go against you. I suspect there is even more to be found if they right people did the digging
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      Reply #140: Feb 17, 2020 10:22:01 pm
      Plenty of teams get crucified for not having any money and for struggling to operate, with point deductions and demotions being thrown around without a thought it seems. The rules should be no different for being corrupt and deliberately misleading your accounts.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #141: Feb 17, 2020 10:41:57 pm
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      There's no guarantee the CAS will report even before the start of next season. Uefa have effectively changed the qualification criteria mid seaon. The ban will be cut back to one year, and the FA as I said earlier,will likely give City a 15pt deduction suspended for 5 years.

      Of course Mancheater City have form in this direction to the tune of a £50m fine in 2014.

      CAS usually deal with cases relatively swiftly. It's not the standard criminal trial that takes several years to begin, let alone finish. It needs to be soon, as the sanction takes effect before the Euros are over.

      UEFA have not changed the qualifying criteria. The same criteria applies. 4 teams from the EPL are allocated an automatic place in the European Cup, as normal. Its the FA who will submit to UEFA who the teams are, based on where they finished in the previous season. Its the UEFA Cup where the allocation gets trickier, and you don't want to be the 5th place side waiting all summer long for the verdict. For those reasons, it's not possible to wait until the end of the season.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #142: Feb 17, 2020 10:47:49 pm
      When teams enters 'administration' in the Football League they are automatically deducted 10 points. In the Premier league it's a 9 point deduction.( because they play less games). Going into administration avoids companies going into 'liquidation', where assets ect have to be sold off to pay debtors etc.

      It could be argued that because City inflated some income or fee's in order to meet the '3 year break even' rule, set by UEFA, that they were technically insolvent and ergo should be docked 9points.

      And that should be the outcome of the FA's investigation. After all said and done other teams have been docked points for going into administration...even worse City artificially avoided ..fiddled it... to circumvent the '3 year break even' rule..

      9 point deduction...if not it's an FA cop out..
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      Reply #143: Feb 17, 2020 11:13:12 pm
      CAS usually deal with cases relatively swiftly. It's not the standard criminal trial that takes several years to begin, let alone finish. It needs to be soon, as the sanction takes effect before the Euros are over.

      UEFA have not changed the qualifying criteria. The same criteria applies. 4 teams from the EPL are allocated an automatic place in the European Cup, as normal. Its the FA who will submit to UEFA who the teams are, based on where they finished in the previous season. Its the UEFA Cup where the allocation gets trickier, and you don't want to be the 5th place side waiting all summer long for the verdict. For those reasons, it's not possible to wait until the end of the season.

      Well they have changed the QC because City will finish in the top 4 and unless CAS overturn the UEFA decision, then a team OUTSIDE the top 4 will take City's place. On the other point you made in saying teams needed to know the score so they can plan ahead,well UEFA's decisions aren't made quicker to help other teams. May be for the sake of expediency but not to give any club any help.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #144: Feb 17, 2020 11:29:58 pm
      Well they have changed the QC because City will finish in the top 4 and unless CAS overturn the UEFA decision, then a team OUTSIDE the top 4 will take City's place.

      They've not really changed it though, the position in the top 4 that City get will become void and 5th essentially becomes 4th.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #145: Feb 17, 2020 11:35:05 pm
      Gary Neville claims that Owner investment thru whatever means has to be allowed, basically because it will be the same teams winning it year after year. And that it's not in the interest of competitive football, and that it would take a generation, even longer for City to match the "organic" growth of Man U.

      He says FFP is a nonsense and it might stop the Owner/investment cash flow. But there has to be a balance because some of these "owners" have untold Billions and in some cases a whole industry and they don't know when to stop and that damages the fabric of the game.

      If left to invest (lose) as much money as they want, to buy success then they will untill their ego's are satisfied.
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      Reply #146: Feb 17, 2020 11:43:37 pm
      Gary Neville claims that Owner investment thru whatever means has to be allowed, basically because it will be the same teams winning it year after year.

      There's more likely the same teams winning it every year without FFP. United when they were the only team who could spend, won it virtually every year. Chelsea, came into money and dominated, City came into money and have monopolised domestic football for the previous couple of years.

      Neville is just showing his typical Manc side saying that because he knows that United are losing more and more income but having to spend more and more just to keep in the battle to get European football, let alone competing for anything.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #147: Feb 17, 2020 11:48:59 pm
      Gary Neville claims that Owner investment thru whatever means has to be allowed, basically because it will be the same teams winning it year after year. And that it's not in the interest of competitive football, and that it would take a generation, even longer for City to match the "organic" growth of Man U.

      He says FFP is a nonsense and it might stop the Owner/investment cash flow. But there has to be a balance because some of these "owners" have untold Billions and in some cases a whole industry and they don't know when to stop and that damages the fabric of the game.

      If left to invest (lose) as much money as they want, to buy success then they will untill their ego's are satisfied.

      Haha nothing to do with him and his Salford boys bank rolling that club artificially into the football league I'm sure.

      This isnt as much tondonwith over spending though as much as it is to do with City cooking the books.

      Neville and co have been accused of buying their way to the top in the same way but on a smaller scale to the Etihad child labourers.
      « Last Edit: Feb 17, 2020 11:53:42 pm by fields of anny rd »
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      Reply #148: Feb 18, 2020 12:03:39 am
      Haha nothing to do with him and his Salford boys bank rolling that club artificially into the football league I'm sure.

      This isnt as much tondonwith over spending though as much as it is to do with City cooking the books.

      Neville and co have been accused of buying their way to the top in the same way but on a smaller scale to the Etihad child labourers.

      Fair point and it's in the interest of people in the industry to keep the money flowing in. TV owns the game or dictates kick off times and we can live with that but Owner investment has to have some boundaries and FFP might not be perfect but at least it curbs the mega rich from just shuving in £billions untill they get what they crave.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #149: Feb 18, 2020 02:18:50 am
      If they are allowed to pour in until millions, that’s the end of football as a competition.
      A it all becomes French Ligue 1 and PSG.
      Clubs can build by buying shrewdly and generating more cash by finishing higher in the league, in return generating a bigger fan base and merchandise income.
      Yeah, it takes time, we had a decent fan base due to the size if the city, but we’re in a pretty poor state in the 50s early60s.
      Clubs get huge cash injections now from the Prem, t.v. And C L if they are clever enough to get there.
      The clubs that have BUILT SUCCESS, shouldn’t be penalised for it. But the bankrolling has to stop.
      The main problem is, clubs still use the same crap managers who do the merrigoround of managing the same few clubs. The top coaching badges are protected from the ordinary man in the street by the huge financial burden and the fact you’d have to forfeit your income while you undertook the two years of coaching training. Absolute scandal of a system for the elite few again.
      If the clubs had more vision, they’d get rid of the mediocre crap that continues to do the rounds. Invest in some new blood.
      We took years to build our bastion of invincibility, gone through the lean times, and are now rebuilding within the financial restraints of FFP. So are the rest of the Prem clubs, although Chelsea have bought success without doubt. Utd did by way of bribes to young players parents back in the early days of old bacon face as well. Although that’s in the past now.
      So why do City think they can bypass these rules, and what the F**k is going on with all the media and pundits siding with them.
      I just don’t get why anyone would publicly support open commercial cheating on this scale.
      The lot of them should be utterly ashamed of themselves. They have a duty, working on a public media platform, to remain totally impartial.  Instead, they’ve got their tongues so far up Peps arse it embarrassing.
      Time for a reshuffle I think. Lineker and his predjudiced creeps and all them wankers alongside Richard Keys on sky, time to get rid of those for the good of the sport.

      Rant over.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #150: Feb 18, 2020 09:43:58 am
      Neville's basically a City fan by default now, he knows they're the only team who will be able to stop us winning a handful of titles on the spin so he's throwing his all behind them. Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United etc are years behind us at the minute, he knows if City drop any further then the Premier League will change from a two horse race & basically become show-jumping. It already has been this season, but a lot of people are hanging their hopes on Pep getting the chequebook out in the summer & strengthening. If this Uefa decision is upheld then there's no chance of that happening.

      We all saw his celebrations for that Kompany goal last season - He sounded like somebody who had spent 20 years standing on the Kippax, not 20 years playing for Man United. He's losing the plot over the fact all of the work him & his team mates / manager put in over a quarter of a century to put United at the pinnacle of English Football is being undone as Liverpool stroll back onto their perch, to the point where he's condoning the cheating of his local rivals. A broken man if I've ever saw one
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      Reply #151: Feb 18, 2020 10:50:49 am
      Go Gary, going from licking Fergies balls to loving City.

      Judas w**ker!
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #152: Feb 18, 2020 10:59:31 am
      Whether FFP blocks new teams breaking into the top flight can be debated, although I still maintain that any team can break in if they plan properly and invest to the maximum that they are allowed every year, they just need some patience instead of distorting the market with obscene amounts of money in a short space of time.

      In any case the rules are there and apply to everyone so there are no mitigating circumstances for City, they are cheats pure and simple and the fact that they tried to frustrate the investigation will count against them, plus the fact that this isn't their first offence.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #153: Feb 18, 2020 12:09:03 pm
      I think city deserve the ban. Not for breaking the rules, simply for sheer stupidity.
      You sign a sponsorship deal for £60m but only take a small percentage of it and bank roll £50 odd million yourselves.
      All the legal and financial brains they must have working for them and that was the BEST means of circumventing the rules they could come up with?
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      Reply #154: Feb 18, 2020 06:05:51 pm
      Maybe I don't know enough. But shouldn't a man city thread be moved out of the Kop? Or how can a man city thread be in the Kop? Can someone help to explain?
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      Reply #155: Feb 18, 2020 07:54:12 pm
      Maybe I don't know enough. But shouldn't a man city thread be moved out of the Kop? Or how can a man city thread be in the Kop? Can someone help to explain?

      Yeah we're being unbearably smug cu*ts buzzing off manc tw*ts!!
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      Reply #156: Feb 18, 2020 08:04:10 pm
      Maybe I don't know enough. But shouldn't a man city thread be moved out of the Kop? Or how can a man city thread be in the Kop? Can someone help to explain?

      That's a good point. Thought about it, been reviewed by VAR, and here is just fine for now.
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      Reply #157: Feb 18, 2020 11:12:47 pm
      Go Gary, going from licking Fergies balls to loving City.

      Judas w**ker!

      The thing is with Rat Boy, he has a face and demeanour that instantly creates a persona of a hatable creepy little arse wipe.
       As soon as he opens his grotesque mouth, he removes any doubt.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #158: Feb 19, 2020 09:56:18 am
      think more sh*t will be coming their way, Attacking UEFA isn't a smart thing to do is it and they broke rules they agreed to abide by, time to accept the punishment and move on. But vast wealth brings a sense of the "untouchables" and City owners believe they are not like the rest of us and can do as they see fit.
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #159: Feb 19, 2020 10:08:55 am
      think more sh*t will be coming their way, Attacking UEFA isn't a smart thing to do is it and they broke rules they agreed to abide by, time to accept the punishment and move on. But vast wealth brings a sense of the "untouchables" and City owners believe they are not like the rest of us and can do as they see fit.

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/18/manchester-city-could-face-new-uefa-investigation-into-abu-dhabi-sponsors-football
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      Re: Man City - 2 Year Champions League Ban
      Reply #160: Feb 19, 2020 11:19:06 am
      think more sh*t will be coming their way, Attacking UEFA isn't a smart thing to do is it and they broke rules they agreed to abide by, time to accept the punishment and move on. But vast wealth brings a sense of the "untouchables" and City owners believe they are not like the rest of us and can do as they see fit.

      You may be correct, I think the smart play form City would probably be to shut the F**k up and accept the punishment, if they fight fire with fire there will only be one loser, one way or another.

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