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      Shrewsbury 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Shrewsbury 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #375: Jan 27, 2020 11:25:02 am
      Sometime between the 1st and 15th of February during the winter break. We play on the 1st at 3pm against Southampton and 5:30 on the 15th against Norwich. Probably the weekend of the 8th/9th.

      "At least four Premier League teams will need replays, which are scheduled for Tuesday 4 and Wednesday 5 February, meaning they will cut into the new mid-season break which runs between 2 and 16 February."
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51256760

      Not as bad as I thought it would be although obviously not ideal.
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      Reply #376: Jan 27, 2020 11:43:28 am
      This boils down to the FA not bothering to take into account the winter break. 4th round of the FA cup produces draws.That's a fact. So all the FA cup ties from the third round on should've been decided on the day, extra time, then penalties if rquired.

      The gate money for ties from the 3rd to the 6th round are split. 10% goes into the 'pool' and the clubs get 45% each,slightly different for replays. OK if a small club gets a replay back at their place they get TV and advert money. So no replays and smaller clubs could miss out on the money.

      Money for lower league clubs is the nub of it. Most see the FA cup as a vital revenue stream and getting a draw in the third round onwards is a money spinner for them. Shutting down that revenue possibility goes against the grain but given the FA knew the score they should not be miffed if we field a perceived under strength team.

      Klopp said he has a letter from the Premier League saying clubs should respect the winter break..

      Klopp..."I got paper.."
      « Last Edit: Jan 27, 2020 11:57:33 am by Harrisimo »
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      Re: Shrewsbury 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #377: Jan 27, 2020 12:14:03 pm
      If none of our rivals in the Prem cannot handle the Firminho, Mane, Salah killing machine what chance have a second tier set up got in any comparison scenario?
      Rather than put Salah and Firminho on in the last 10 minutes a better strategy would be to start them and gain confidence/experience for the team then bring on the second tier.

      Hindsight is a wonderful accessory.
      « Last Edit: Jan 27, 2020 12:20:10 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #378: Jan 27, 2020 12:53:51 pm
      Not that surprised tbh. Most of them are from the PL2 team who have had a lot of crap results this season, with Critchley who is a crap manager. Many of those players couldn't beat Oldham and Fleetwood and Wigan this season, so Shrewsbury was always going to be a struggle for them. Still is.

      As regards the replay, none of them should go to replays, and there's no reason why that game couldn't be done on the day. Not every club needs a replay to keep the show on the road. While every round bar the 3rd Round should be midweek, like the League Cup.

      Being German, Jürgen is a major advocate of winter breaks. Now, he's had enough and decided to take a stand about it. The "winter break" was only ever for show, now it's a sham. He's not going to risk our most important players just to get past Shrewsbury at home. No EPL club takes this seriously until at least the quarter finals, when the pub teams have long since had their big day out, packed up and gone home.

      Those games you mention are mainly 18 and 19-year olds against the first team players, 20s and 30s of those EFL Trophy opponents - so the same level of opposition as with Shrewsbury. You'll see better results against other U23 sides. I couldn't speak to Neil Critchley's managerial ability. What is it you know about him that is so poor?

      Jürgen has said there are four or five U23s who he has no trouble in using with the first team. They train regularly at Melwood and I think they have largely given a good account of themselves. These were the players who played last night.
       
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      Reply #379: Jan 27, 2020 12:59:59 pm

      You really do need to stop trash talking the players and the manager

      Right now I don’t give two shits about the FA Cup or about what will happen when we play kids. I only care about the league and the CL right now and mainly the League - it’s been 30 f**king years since we won tbe league and no FA Cup is going to get in the way of that


      I have no doubt that If we played the senior players and someone got a serious injury that potentially derailed the league bid they you would be the first at the queue with your pitchfork - Klopp can play the u16 team as far as I’m concerned and any pr**k that says it’s a blemish is either trolling or just doesn’t have a clue about us

      Is it possible I might just have a different point of view to you and that I see this decision as incredibly childish from Jürgen, just because the FA didn't bow to his request/demand to not have replays? I think this is utterly embarassing and I'm still to understand why players liek Lovren, Matip, Fabinho, Shaq, Origi, Minamino and Keita so desperately need a break, considering they've hardly played this season.
      BTW its also bloody embarrassing not to thrash Shrewsbury when we had them at 2-0, it was an abject performance and the senior players clearly did not take it seriously.
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      Reply #380: Jan 27, 2020 01:10:34 pm
      Quite happy to see the younger reds having to step up in the cups.
      It's made them interesting for me, and fantastic for the Everton game.
      Point could be made that some of the senior players dropped off in the 2nd half,
      but then they are only back from injury so it's to be expected.

      Yes more than happy for it to happen, but I dont think we need to sell them all down the river. They will (probably wrongly considering the EFL trophy results) get a bit of a caning if they go out to Shrewsbury.

      The main players by all means need a rest, but there are some who this game may come at a good time for to gain match sharpness and who can use this to get prepared as and when called upon.
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      Reply #381: Jan 27, 2020 01:13:09 pm
      Yes more than happy for it to happen, but I dont think we need to sell them all down the river. They will (probably wrongly considering the EFL trophy results) get a bit of a caning if they go out to Shrewsbury.

      This a perfect chance for those players returning from injury to get a good runout, baffling that Jürgen does not understand this and instead wants to act like a baby throwing his toys out of the pram.
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      Reply #382: Jan 27, 2020 01:23:09 pm
      Understand Klopp is annoyed and he's made a bold statement about his own availability with the winter break all planned. However, he has to take and face accountability for that screw up vs Shrewsbury. We needed that game won, and he needed to win it. If he has players under performing (which he did) then he needs to sort them out. Make changes, sort out a formation, give them a kicking and get them fired up.

      Evidently that all failed as we were lucky to even draw the game. The failure is much on Klopp and he cannot just avoid that fact by refusing to show up for the replay.
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      Reply #383: Jan 27, 2020 01:49:21 pm
      Should the FA cup be doing replays [for 4th round matches] given it's weight is not even close to what it what it was decades ago? From point of view of big clubs like us, it's more fixture congestion. For the small clubs, getting a 2nd go at a big side like us is a huge deal, am sure there's plenty of excitement at Shrewsbury ahead of the game, so that is the other side of it.

      But Jürgen has to fight HIS corner. They have a winter break planned, now the FA decide they want to stick a game in. Think Jürgen is entitled to say f**k that, get yer heads together and sort out the fixtures, or THIS is the response you will get.
      These guys aren't concerned about the magic of the Cup, it's money and trying to hold onto the 'status' of the competition. And what Jürgen is doing is the only thing that will make them sit up and take notice [they still mightn't].

      We're in a unique position though, in that unlike others we're at the sharp end of both of the two big comps [PL and CL].
      Still, the kids at home might be able to get past these - should be interesting game :)
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      Reply #384: Jan 27, 2020 01:54:04 pm
      Should the FA cup be doing replays [for 4th round matches] given it's weight is not even close to what it what it was decades ago? From point of view of big clubs like us, it's more fixture congestion. For the small clubs, getting a 2nd go at a big side like us is a huge deal, am sure there's plenty of excitement at Shrewsbury ahead of the game, so that is the other side of it.

      But Jürgen has to fight HIS corner. They have a winter break planned, now the FA decide they want to stick a game in. Think Jürgen is entitled to say f**k that, get yer heads together and sort out the fixtures, or THIS is the response you will get.
      These guys aren't concerned about the magic of the Cup, it's money and trying to hold onto the 'status' of the competition. And what Jürgen is doing is the only thing that will make them sit up and take notice [they still mightn't].

      We're in a unique position though, in that unlike others we're at the sharp end of both of the two big comps [PL and CL].
      Still, the kids at home might be able to get past these - should be interesting game :)

      Jürgen's stance would only work if other teams did the same, but their attitude, is sh*t, bit inconvenient but at least we are still in the FA Cup.
      The argument to get rid of replays is a good one, but the rules at the moment say that a draw against a 3rd division team mean that you have to replay the game and we have players that clearly need some more games so I'm baffled by Jürgen's stance on this, its incredibly silly. The same senior players who played sh*t yesterday should play the replay, let their families go on holiday and they can join them after the match, I'm sure they have enough money to buy extra tickets!
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      Reply #385: Jan 27, 2020 02:07:48 pm
      The amount of sh1t being flung about this. Fuk the FA & fuk the FA Cup, its theyre own doing, arranging replays during the winter break.

      I hope Klopp enjoys his mini break, and I hope the 1st team players enjoy the break too.

      People forget thsi break was brought in becuase these guys work right through xmas & new year. England has only now started to see the light with winter breaks, every other major league does it, even scotland have one now, and its great IMO. almost 3 weeks off after the new years fixtures, league cup starts in July, which my home team motherwell have really enjoyed, its replaced worthless friendlies.



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      Reply #386: Jan 27, 2020 02:13:41 pm
      Wait and see how it pans out. Klopp is sticking to his principles and I am not going to criticise a person for that. However, we’ve got some players in the squad who could yet knock the managers door and ask to play in the game. Let’s see if they happens or not.
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      Reply #387: Jan 27, 2020 02:16:06 pm
      The amount of sh1t being flung about this. Fuk the FA & fuk the FA Cup, its theyre own doing, arranging replays during the winter break.

      I hope Klopp enjoys his mini break, and I hope the 1st team players enjoy the break too.

      People forget thsi break was brought in becuase these guys work right through xmas & new year. England has only now started to see the light with winter breaks, every other major league does it, even scotland have one now, and its great IMO. almost 3 weeks off after the new years fixtures, league cup starts in July, which my home team motherwell have really enjoyed, its replaced worthless friendlies.

      F**k that! 3 weeks with no footy - I'd end up going mad!
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      Reply #388: Jan 27, 2020 02:33:20 pm
      F**k that! 3 weeks with no footy - I'd end up going mad!

      ;D. Yea but summer footi in july. :)
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      Reply #389: Jan 27, 2020 02:34:38 pm
      Wait and see how it pans out. Klopp is sticking to his principles and I am not going to criticise a person for that. However, we’ve got some players in the squad who could yet knock the managers door and ask to play in the game. Let’s see if they happens or not.

      this may well happen.
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      Reply #390: Jan 27, 2020 03:33:02 pm

      I raised this idea of those backup players like Origi, Lovren and Matip asking if they could play, but as I think of it is extremely unlikely. Shaqiri and Keita I supose are the two who should be most inclined to ask if they can train with the U23s during the break and then play in the match, but I don't expect it.

      I assume the first team players return to training on the 8th or 9th, would moving the replay to the 11th or 12th be a possibility?

      At any rate, I'm over my surprise at Jürgen's stance on this. I still expect to hear something from The Premier League, but whatever Jürgen wants, I'm fine with.

      (and no, I do not write off the U23s chance of winning the game at Anfield).
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      Reply #391: Jan 27, 2020 03:59:42 pm
      Quote from Robby The Z
      Those games you mention are mainly 18 and 19-year olds against the first team players, 20s and 30s of those EFL Trophy opponents - so the same level of opposition as with Shrewsbury. You'll see better results against other U23 sides. I couldn't speak to Neil Critchley's managerial ability. What is it you know about him that is so poor?

      To me, he looks and sounds like someone out of his depth. Unfortunately, his results both this year and last, have been if I am generous, very average. I would be more confident of a positive result, if Lewtas was in charge instead.

      Of course we wouldn't be having this inquest, if VAR was available and overturned that penalty decision. :'( Wrong decisions ruin football.
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      Reply #392: Jan 27, 2020 04:42:33 pm
      I raised this idea of those backup players like Origi, Lovren and Matip asking if they could play, but as I think of it is extremely unlikely. Shaqiri and Keita I supose are the two who should be most inclined to ask if they can train with the U23s during the break and then play in the match, but I don't expect it.

      I assume the first team players return to training on the 8th or 9th, would moving the replay to the 11th or 12th be a possibility?

      At any rate, I'm over my surprise at Jürgen's stance on this. I still expect to hear something from The Premier League, but whatever Jürgen wants, I'm fine with.

      (and no, I do not write off the U23s chance of winning the game at Anfield).


      Yea, in the klopp thread , its discussed klopp may not want 1 rule for some and 1 rule for others, and players may have already made plans to go away.

      But if some players specifically come and knock on his door saying I was a game boss, suppose its then up to him and the club to decide.

      I think they will leave it with the u23s and I think they have a very good chance tbh.
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      Reply #393: Jan 27, 2020 04:43:56 pm
      To me, he looks and sounds like someone out of his depth. Unfortunately, his results both this year and last, have been if I am generous, very average. I would be more confident of a positive result, if Lewtas was in charge instead.

      Of course we wouldn't be having this inquest, if VAR was available and overturned that penalty decision. :'( Wrong decisions ruin football.

      u23s squad is mostly u18s, and is always losing players to the 1st team, thats why sometimes results are sketchy. its more about player development than results at that level anyway.
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      Reply #394: Jan 27, 2020 04:45:42 pm
      To me, he looks and sounds like someone out of his depth. Unfortunately, his results both this year and last, have been if I am generous, very average. I would be more confident of a positive result, if Lewtas was in charge instead.

      Of course we wouldn't be having this inquest, if VAR was available and overturned that penalty decision. :'( Wrong decisions ruin football.

      I see what you did there...

      You are relentlessly persistent, nobody could deny you that.  :)

      Re Critchley, I could do with a bit less shouting from the touchline, but that's a pet peeve I have with a number of coaches at all levels.
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      Re: Shrewsbury 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #395: Jan 27, 2020 05:47:14 pm

      But if some players specifically come and knock on his door saying I was a game boss, suppose its then up to him and the club to decide.

      I think they will leave it with the u23s and I think they have a very good chance tbh.

      On second thought though if one or a few knock on his door and are allowed to play then it puts the other fringe or returning players under scrutiny, no. 

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      Reply #396: Jan 27, 2020 05:58:07 pm
      We knew the risk of a replay being played in the break so really have no complaints. The FA havent just planned this and he obviously was aware by throwing on the big guns at the end by which point it was to late
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      Reply #397: Jan 27, 2020 06:04:54 pm
       We have several players either badly in need of a game or could generally do with the extra minutes who can then still have a 10/11 day break. Shaq, Keita, Fab, Lovren, Matip, Minamino, Adrian, Origi, Milner and Lallana. I see no harm in them playing. People can play the injury chestnut but we’d have to be very unlucky to lose all of them. Players who play as little as they have done of late, a 14 day break is going to be of no benefit.

      Not forgetting the ones that played yesterday need to redeem themselves. Still can’t believe what a sh*t show that was. The youngsters can be excused for their dip in performance, but the senior players certainly can’t. The 2nd goal Lovren completely missed the ball! Don’t care how long a player has been injured, the performances was failing to even do the basics.
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      Reply #398: Jan 27, 2020 06:07:38 pm
      On second thought though if one or a few knock on his door and are allowed to play then it puts the other fringe or returning players under scrutiny, no. 



      could do aye.

      May show the ones that didnt knock on door in a bad light.

      But also the fitness guys would probably step in and say nope. go and take your week off. ;D
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      Re: Shrewsbury 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #399: Jan 27, 2020 06:12:28 pm
      couldn't give a f**k about the FA cup.

      The league is all that matters this year, and anything that helps us win it is fine by me.

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