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      Robby The Z
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      Our Team Beyond This Season
      Feb 08, 2020 11:07:43 am
      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-mbappe-sancho-havertz-summer-melissa-reddy-a9314306.html

      Melissa Reddy has written an insightful article (linked) looking at senior club management's thinking on the team going forward from this season. It touches on retaining players, the approach to player recruitment and developing and promoting players from our youth ranks. It does speak about the three big names regularly associated with moves to Liverpool (Haavertz, Mbabbe and Sancho) but is not about transfer rumours per se.

      I don't want to take away from reveling in and discussing THIS season but for those who can walk and chew gum at the same time, this thread is for discussing the article's topic and what our team might look like in coming years.
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      Reply #1: Feb 08, 2020 11:10:36 am
      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-mbappe-sancho-havertz-summer-melissa-reddy-a9314306.html

      Melissa Reddy has written an insightful article (linked) looking at senior club management's thinking on the team going forward from this season. It touches on retaining players, the approach to player recruitment and developing and promoting players from our youth ranks. It does speak about the three big names regularly associated with moves to Liverpool (Haavertz, Mbabbe and Sancho) but is not about transfer rumours per se.

      I don't want to take away from reveling in and discussing THIS season but for those who can walk and chew gum at the same time, this thread is for discussing the article's topic and what our team might look like in coming years.

      Think myself it's about getting a right balance between  all 3 which is not easy but seems as if we have met in the last 4 years or so. Nothing wrong with adding extra quality as long as not at expense of losing quality although I do feel a change in the front 3 as have a hunch one will leave
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      Reply #2: Feb 08, 2020 02:27:11 pm
      Think myself it's about getting a right balance between  all 3 which is not easy but seems as if we have met in the last 4 years or so. Nothing wrong with adding extra quality as long as not at expense of losing quality although I do feel a change in the front 3 as have a hunch one will leave

      You have a hunch one of our front three will leave this summer?
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      Reply #3: Feb 08, 2020 02:48:23 pm
      You have a hunch one of our front three will leave this summer?

      Not necessarily  this summer but within two years yep
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      Reply #4: Feb 08, 2020 02:55:16 pm
      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-mbappe-sancho-havertz-summer-melissa-reddy-a9314306.html

      Melissa Reddy has written an insightful article (linked) looking at senior club management's thinking on the team going forward from this season. It touches on retaining players, the approach to player recruitment and developing and promoting players from our youth ranks. It does speak about the three big names regularly associated with moves to Liverpool (Haavertz, Mbabbe and Sancho) but is not about transfer rumours per se.

      I don't want to take away from reveling in and discussing THIS season but for those who can walk and chew gum at the same time, this thread is for discussing the article's topic and what our team might look like in coming years.

      Not a great deal of insight in that article. Never even mentioned AFCON, full of the bleedin' obvious or journalistic waffle to bulk out the article. The basic point is that the club is now in a position to dictate to the market, in a sense saying show us why we should sign you as opposed to the club having to sell themselves to every target.

      Next season will be difficult. Maintaining the standards, keeping the squad together and motivated.A three season burst at the very top is about the limit, as has been the case at City, adjustments, new signings coming in will inevitable affect the continuity. That will be a testing time for Klopp and the club.Taking the club forward towards 22/23 and still be at this level, league wise will be phenomenal and I expect a correction but maybe we will have 'come back to the field' a season or so before that.
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      Reply #5: Feb 08, 2020 03:30:36 pm
      Not a great deal of insight in that article. Never even mentioned AFCON, full of the bleedin' obvious or journalistic waffle to bulk out the article. The basic point is that the club is now in a position to dictate to the market, in a sense saying show us why we should sign you as opposed to the club having to sell themselves to every target.

      Next season will be difficult. Maintaining the standards, keeping the squad together and motivated.A three season burst at the very top is about the limit, as has been the case at City, adjustments, new signings coming in will inevitable affect the continuity. That will be a testing time for Klopp and the club.Taking the club forward towards 22/23 and still be at this level, league wise will be phenomenal and I expect a correction but maybe we will have 'come back to the field' a season or so before that.

      I think that bird Melissa Reddy is always waffle if you ask me. Stating the obvious all the time. Never any real insight
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      Reply #6: Feb 08, 2020 04:02:24 pm
      I think that bird Melissa Reddy is always waffle if you ask me. Stating the obvious all the time. Never any real insight

      Guess I'm just too easily impressed with the remedial.

      There is nothing obvious about what it takes for this team to sustain the kind of success it has been building toward. If it was so obvious, somebody else would have done it (and Pep's approach is far different).  Another question is maintaining beyond that "three year burst." Which surely is a goal.
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      Reply #7: Feb 08, 2020 04:10:30 pm
      I would release Lallana, he was a good servant but would give chance to Keita, AOC and Jones.

      I would sell Shaqiri due to his unreliable fitness and keep Wilson instead of him after doing very good in his loan.

      I would buy one outstanding attacking player that can play anywhere in the front three and therefore I would drop Firmino to midfield with Henderson and Fabinho behind him. Mane and Salah are off for a whole month next January.

      My choice is either Sancho or Werner.

      I would remove Karius from our books anyway possible.
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      Reply #8: Feb 08, 2020 06:09:54 pm
      I would release Lallana, he was a good servant but would give chance to Keita, AOC and Jones.

      I would sell Shaqiri due to his unreliable fitness and keep Wilson instead of him after doing very good in his loan.

      I would buy one outstanding attacking player that can play anywhere in the front three and therefore I would drop Firmino to midfield with Henderson and Fabinho behind him. Mane and Salah are off for a whole month next January.

      My choice is either Sancho or Werner.

      I would remove Karius from our books anyway possible.

      On LFC Press Box Simon Hughes and Dominic King were talking about which U23 players might be pegged to replace current first choice players over the next three years or so. They also suggested we could go another window this summer without bringing anyone in besides youth players.
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      Reply #9: Feb 08, 2020 06:20:31 pm
      On LFC Press Box Simon Hughes and Dominic King were talking about which U23 players might be pegged to replace current first choice players over the next three years or so. They also suggested we could go another window this summer without bringing anyone in besides youth players.

      Makes sense.

      We're a pretty young team with a lot of players either hitting their prime or in the middle of it.
      Replacing the perma-crocks with more reliable players would go a long way towards helping our rotation, and if we can do that with younger players then all the better for the long term.
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      Reply #10: Feb 09, 2020 10:16:47 am
      IF IT AINT BROKE DON’T FIX IT !

      We don’t need to add at the moment,  and who the hell would want to leave unless you are surplus to requirements, we have seen enough youngsters that can be infused into the squad, ie; Wilson, Jones, Brewster, Williams, Elliot, Larouci, Lewis, apart from Wilson, Jones & Williams the rest of the above probably aren’t quite ready yet but, having them train day to day with the first teamers they soon would be,

      Also....I’m not quite so sure a Mbappe would be a perfect fit type Jürgen would like, there is no doubting his talents and abilities, but would he fit in without disrupting the balance, and of course there’s the financial reverberations too,

      Sancho would be a good fit but again, do we really need him, at the moment I’d say no, same with Havertz, a good fit but not required, with the Afcon  on the horizon it’s possible we could be without Mane , Salah etc, but for how long ?
      I’m sure we can muster enough cover without Spunking out Millions for a temporary replacement, like Melissa alluded to IF we needed to we could bring in someone only if a injury forced our hand,

      The season after I think would be a busier transfer period for us, but if a individual happened to appear in Jürgen’s crosshairs in the interim, then great, we go get them.



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      Reply #11: Feb 09, 2020 10:37:55 am
      somehow whilst not counting our chickens we have to find a way of being stronger again next season because we all know the cheque book will be out at City. I think we already have our targets and would expect no more than 2 or 3 in and possibly similar out. Harry Wilson being quoted as one of them today
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      Reply #12: Feb 11, 2020 09:50:11 am
      Add Jones and Neco to the squad and that immediately plugs two gaps.

      I think a left wing/fullback is preferred and that’ll do us for signings (plus a keeper if Adrian and Karius go).
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      Reply #13: Feb 11, 2020 10:09:38 am
      Add Jones and Neco to the squad and that immediately plugs two gaps.

      With their involvement this season then I have to agree.  They look like they do have the potential to fill gaps.  Christ sake, one of them's already captained us!

      Really hope that Trent was the start of a few talented youngsters coming through.  There can't be any better experience in football than training alongside our current first team.
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      Reply #14: Feb 11, 2020 10:15:08 am
      I think Hoever may well get more chances next season I though he showed some great stuff at Anfield very calm and Virgil like if we do get 2 or 3 of the lads playing more what a bonus and a sign the Academy is starting to really work well . Having all the sides together at Kirby will also be a massive boost.
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      Reply #15: Feb 11, 2020 10:23:49 am
      With their involvement this season then I have to agree.  They look like they do have the potential to fill gaps.  Christ sake, one of them's already captained us!

      Really hope that Trent was the start of a few talented youngsters coming through.  There can't be any better experience in football than training alongside our current first team.

      Williams said something similar.
      Effectively that his massive improvement was down to having to play against Mane in training.
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      Reply #16: Feb 11, 2020 10:32:25 am
      Williams said something similar.
      Effectively that his massive improvement was down to having to play against Mane in training.

      Runs right throughout the team.  I'm sure it's a lot harder to score in training against Alisson and Adrian than Mignolet and Karius!!

      In any job or field you want to surround yourselves with the best and especially when the Academy gets merged with the first team then you would think that aspiring youngsters all over the country would want to be heading to LFC. 

      Big responsibility on the likes of Neil Critchley now - it's as if the conveyor belt into the senior team has restarted and he has to keep it going!
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      Reply #17: Feb 11, 2020 10:35:29 am
      Runs right throughout the team.  I'm sure it's a lot harder to score in training against Alisson and Adrian than Mignolet and Karius!!

      In any job or field you want to surround yourselves with the best and especially when the Academy gets merged with the first team then you would think that aspiring youngsters all over the country would want to be heading to LFC. 

      Big responsibility on the likes of Neil Critchley now - it's as if the conveyor belt into the senior team has restarted and he has to keep it going!

      The likes of Jones, Elliott & Williams will be chomping at the bit to get more games.
      Training with the first team and getting a run in cup games will stand to them next season.

      Means LFC can focus on replacing whoever leaves, while improving some weaker links.
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      Reply #18: Feb 11, 2020 10:42:05 am
      wont be many changes.

      Shaq and Lallana will probably leave for thier own sakes to get more games. All that does is open up space for younger guys to step up.

      Lovren may well leave too, for his own need of games.

      Cant see many coming in, the youth coming through are brilliant and hungry.
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      Reply #19: Feb 11, 2020 11:28:37 am
      Runs right throughout the team.  I'm sure it's a lot harder to score in training against Alisson and Adrian than Mignolet and Karius!!

      In any job or field you want to surround yourselves with the best and especially when the Academy gets merged with the first team then you would think that aspiring youngsters all over the country would want to be heading to LFC. 

      Big responsibility on the likes of Neil Critchley now - it's as if the conveyor belt into the senior team has restarted and he has to



      On Lfctv a few weeks back they were discussing the training that goes on at Melwood and in particular how the young lads were fairing against the 1st teamers,  I can't remember who said it ,might have been Mcateer , anyhoo the 1st team often plays against the young lads and of course they would win something like 25 -6 but now the games are much closer maybe only 2-3 goals in it,
      That's a pretty good indicator of how well the academy is working,  no ?


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      Reply #20: Feb 11, 2020 10:02:22 pm
      Ive total faith in Klopp,  FSG , the recruitment team and club policy to set up our dynasty for a few seasons.


      Its Fergie time folks..... to drink himself into oblivion for all those wasted years  :lmao:
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      Reply #21: Feb 13, 2020 02:14:11 pm
      Seems brexit may be factor soon, vizas for all foreign players now etc.. quota of hoegown players will drop when lallana + clyne leave.

      could be interesting.
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      Reply #22: Feb 13, 2020 02:21:30 pm
      Seems brexit may be factor soon, vizas for all foreign players now etc.. quota of hoegown players will drop when lallana + clyne leave.

      could be interesting.

      Maybe this is another thread, but how exactly will Brexit affect registration? Would players like Gini and Virgil or say, Joel Matip, has some issue with a work permit?
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      Reply #23: Feb 13, 2020 02:59:10 pm
      Maybe this is another thread, but how exactly will Brexit affect registration? Would players like Gini and Virgil or say, Joel Matip, has some issue with a work permit?

      They'll all be okay but for fringe / young players it could be a bit difficult.

      If you remember Mark Gonzalez (think Rafa bought him around 2006) had to go on loan for a year after we signed him because he was initially unable to get a work permit. Now that we've left the EU, European players will all have to go through the work permit process whereas previously, EU law allowed them to bypass that
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      Reply #24: Feb 13, 2020 03:42:27 pm
      Maybe this is another thread, but how exactly will Brexit affect registration? Would players like Gini and Virgil or say, Joel Matip, has some issue with a work permit?

      POSSIBLY YES. But not until the final deal is sorted at the end of this year.

      1st team players will be probably ok, and the premier league is a mega business so would imagine they would find ways round it.

      But the way thus guv manage stuff, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends up a disaster. ;D
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      Reply #25: Feb 13, 2020 03:52:28 pm
      POSSIBLY YES. But not until the final deal is sorted at the end of this year.

      1st team players will be probably ok, and the premier league is a mega business so would imagine they would find ways round it.

      But the way thus guv manage stuff, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends up a disaster. ;D


      I really doubt it will affect European players and if anything it might make it easier for overseas players if they can in the future qualify via the points based immigration system, where being a millionaire highly skilled footballer would probably secure you quite a few points ;-)
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      Reply #26: Feb 13, 2020 03:58:04 pm
      I really doubt it will affect European players and if anything it might make it easier for overseas players if they can in the future qualify via the points based immigration system, where being a millionaire highly skilled footballer would probably secure you quite a few points ;-)

      well the fact that freedom of movement will be gone by end of this year may well effect EU players.

      But like you say Im sure multi millionaire footballers will be ok. ;D
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      Reply #27: Feb 13, 2020 04:03:55 pm
      well the fact that freedom of movement will be gone by end of this year may well effect EU players.

      But like you say Im sure multi millionaire footballers will be ok. ;D

      Yes automatic freedom of movement is gone but in reality it will be fairly easy for skilled Europeans to move in and out of the UK
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      Reply #28: Feb 13, 2020 07:54:37 pm
      POSSIBLY YES. But not until the final deal is sorted at the end of this year.

      1st team players will be probably ok, and the premier league is a mega business so would imagine they would find ways round it.

      But the way thus guv manage stuff, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends up a disaster. ;D

      Just thinking how it might affect future roster makeup in the Championship and on down...
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      Reply #29: Feb 14, 2020 08:21:49 am
      Yes automatic freedom of movement is gone but in reality it will be fairly easy for skilled Europeans to move in and out of the UK

      hope so.
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      Reply #30: Feb 14, 2020 08:22:39 am
      Just thinking how it might affect future roster makeup in the Championship and on down...


      this is it, Premier league teams may be ok, but I think smaller leagues could suffer.
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      Reply #31: Feb 14, 2020 08:29:25 am
      this is it, Premier league teams may be ok, but I think smaller leagues could suffer.

      Whatever deal is reached at the end it will still be possible for Europeans, and rest of the world, to come to the UK and vice versa as long as they have a job to go to, that's how it used to be before the EU and how it will be afterwards.
      To think otherwise is to buy into the remoaner project fear nonsense of the UK morphing into some kind of isolationist xenophobic and racist country.

      Anyway enough about politics, this summer I'd like a LB to challenge Robbo and 1 top quality forward, that is all we need.
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      Reply #32: Feb 14, 2020 10:16:14 am
      They'll all be okay but for fringe / young players it could be a bit difficult.

      If you remember Mark Gonzalez (think Rafa bought him around 2006) had to go on loan for a year after we signed him because he was initially unable to get a work permit. Now that we've left the EU, European players will all have to go through the work permit process whereas previously, EU law allowed them to bypass that

      That was something I could never get my head round. We had freedom of movement around the EU so how come a player coming needed a visa to play in England but not Spain?

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      Reply #33: Feb 14, 2020 10:41:53 am
      That was something I could never get my head round. We had freedom of movement around the EU so how come a player coming needed a visa to play in England but not Spain?

      Not entirely sure but I presume certain countries would have been allowed to set their own laws for non-EU workers. Gonzalez was Chilean so wouldn't have been granted the free movement which EU citizens get.

      Not sure whether denying certain foreign players work permits would be down to the FA & Home Office working together to ensure English talent was still being brought through and nurtured as opposed to stocking up on overseas players. Gonzalez was still a teenager I think when we signed him so maybe it was thought that he'd be brought in to play for the reserves / warm the bench and they didn't grant him one for this reason

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