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      Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won

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      Shabs
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #350: May 07, 2021 08:28:14 pm
      It's water under the bridge now, the party should be looking to the future

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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #351: May 07, 2021 09:23:31 pm
      Depressing day for Labour again but with the slim ball leader we have....
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #352: May 07, 2021 09:26:38 pm
      Depressing day for Labour again but with the slim ball leader we have....

      In England at least.

      Interesting that all 3 respective governing parties have done well in England, Scotland and Wales. Covid bounce I suspect.

      And more evidence of a rapidly disunited kingdom. At least three if not four independent  countries in my lifetime.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #353: May 07, 2021 10:34:55 pm
      Labour seem in general to have lost touch, with the ordinary working man in the street

      The 'ordinary working man on the street' is rapidly losing touch with himself never mind losing touch with the Labour Party

      If they're daft enough to vote for the party that has been f**king them over for centuries, they deserve what's coming to them: f**k all
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #354: May 07, 2021 10:50:32 pm
      The 'ordinary working man on the street' is rapidly losing touch with himself never mind losing touch with the Labour Party

      If they're daft enough to vote for the party that has been f**king them over for centuries, they deserve what's coming to them: f**k all

      Labour are still by some distance the only party that represents the 'working man'.

      I suppose the nub of the issue is that the 'working man' sees Labour as more active on identity issues and championing the marching educated classes (basically half of twitter) than spending their energies in talking directly to working class communities.

      I saw Prof John Curtice on BBC earlier saying they've basically got two options. Either consolidate the electorate they have now - ie socially liberal middle classes that caters to their Bristol/London cabal or change tack to reach back into old, run down working towns. It'll be tough to fuse those two strands back together.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #355: May 07, 2021 10:54:26 pm
      Labour are still by some distance the only party that represents the 'working man'.

      I suppose the nub of the issue is that the 'working man' sees Labour as more active on identity issues and championing the marching educated classes (basically half of twitter) than spending their energies in talking directly to working class communities.

      I saw Prof John Curtice on BBC earlier saying they've basically got two options. Either consolidate the electorate they have now - ie socially liberal middle classes that caters to their Bristol/London cabal or change tack to reach back into old, run down working towns. It'll be tough to fuse those two strands back together.

      The last paragraph is a total misrepresentation.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #356: May 07, 2021 11:06:19 pm
      In England at least.

      Interesting that all 3 respective governing parties have done well in England, Scotland and Wales. Covid bounce I suspect.

      And more evidence of a rapidly disunited kingdom. At least three if not four independent  countries in my lifetime.

      The Union as we know it is going to end sooner than later I would imagine.

      You only have to look at the noises coming from over here in NI. Unionists are so fearful to even talk about what might happen in a UI that the thought of it being inevitable hasn't even crossed their minds.

      I've had this conversation briefly with my Dad, I come from a 'Unionist' background if you like, and he cannot even entertain the thought that the Union might be going. I'm pretty sure in my lifetime the United Kingdom will be no longer and some sort of United Ireland and independent Scotland will be a reality.

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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #357: May 08, 2021 12:28:36 am
      Labour are still by some distance the only party that represents the 'working man'.

      I suppose the nub of the issue is that the 'working man' sees Labour as more active on identity issues and championing the marching educated classes (basically half of twitter) than spending their energies in talking directly to working class communities.

      I saw Prof John Curtice on BBC earlier saying they've basically got two options. Either consolidate the electorate they have now - ie socially liberal middle classes that caters to their Bristol/London cabal or change tack to reach back into old, run down working towns. It'll be tough to fuse those two strands back together.

      I'd say impossible rather than 'tough'. I think Labour is done for a generation and may never come back. Actually I think their biggest problem is most of their Scottish vote has gone to the SNP, which has made Labour effectively unelectable. They will never have the numbers now.

      Very simplistic but yes those are the two oft-used strands to Labour's English vote, though the more urban areas like Liverpool and Manc probably sit as near to London as they do to places like Hartlepool. Maybe it's that sort of urban cunning from growing up in a city. Stupidity isn't an option. You have to think on your feet to survive and prosper; spot lies before they have even emanated from a Tory's gob.

      As someone who represents both strands, born on Merseyside and lived on a council estate with Europe's worst heroin addiction rate, but somehow ended up in a good job and part of the London cabal as you call it, I find myself caring less and less about the plight of the working class the more they act against their own interests. I mean, voting for the Tories as a form of protest vote? What sort of fuckwittery is that? It's Stockholm Syndrome.

      I've never felt like this until the last 4 or 5 years.
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      Reply #358: May 08, 2021 12:34:04 pm
      I'd say impossible rather than 'tough'. I think Labour is done for a generation and may never come back. Actually I think their biggest problem is most of their Scottish vote has gone to the SNP, which has made Labour effectively unelectable. They will never have the numbers now.

      Very simplistic but yes those are the two oft-used strands to Labour's English vote, though the more urban areas like Liverpool and Manc probably sit as near to London as they do to places like Hartlepool. Maybe it's that sort of urban cunning from growing up in a city. Stupidity isn't an option. You have to think on your feet to survive and prosper; spot lies before they have even emanated from a Tory's gob.

      As someone who represents both strands, born on Merseyside and lived on a council estate with Europe's worst heroin addiction rate, but somehow ended up in a good job and part of the London cabal as you call it, I find myself caring less and less about the plight of the working class the more they act against their own interests. I mean, voting for the Tories as a form of protest vote? What sort of fuckwittery is that? It's Stockholm Syndrome.

      I've never felt like this until the last 4 or 5 years.

      Yeah, without Scotland Labour are a three legged dog.

      I'm astonished that Labour haven't actually focused more on the constitutional element. They started devolution and so they should seek to finish it.

      But then the Tories came in and introduced these metro mayors (on top of London's own unique devolved settlement) that means we have a UK that is constitutionally wonky and inconsistent. Labour would also gain some pride back if it went all out for PR. They could put to bed this ridiculous situation where the FPTP system is furthering such divides and inconsistencies. But what is Starmer saying about this? Nothing.

      New Labour's failure to push through and explore PR as a serious option is their biggest failing. But of course when the system handed over stonking majorities to Labour in 97 and 2001 they all of a sudden became very fond of FPTP.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #359: May 09, 2021 12:11:53 am
      Yeah, without Scotland Labour are a three legged dog.

      I'm astonished that Labour haven't actually focused more on the constitutional element. They started devolution and so they should seek to finish it.

      But then the Tories came in and introduced these metro mayors (on top of London's own unique devolved settlement) that means we have a UK that is constitutionally wonky and inconsistent. Labour would also gain some pride back if it went all out for PR. They could put to bed this ridiculous situation where the FPTP system is furthering such divides and inconsistencies. But what is Starmer saying about this? Nothing.

      New Labour's failure to push through and explore PR as a serious option is their biggest failing. But of course when the system handed over stonking majorities to Labour in 97 and 2001 they all of a sudden became very fond of FPTP.

      Agree with pretty much all of that.

      I guess they never saw the SNP coming. I don't even think the SNP saw the SNP coming. Instead of working with the SNP, Labour are slitting their own throats in Scotland trying to take them on. Seen reports today of Labour voters voting for the Tories so the Tories could win Dumbarton I think it was, which they did, so Labour voters won a seat for the Tories. Absolutely beggars belief.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #360: May 09, 2021 12:26:32 am
      I thought Aaron Bastani of Novari media said it best: This is paraphrasing so no quotes: Labour knew they had pissed in the bath, but instead of trying to remedy it they chose to sh*t in it and vomit in it and continue to try to wash themselves clean. Admission: I'm not only paraphrasing, I'm decorating it - but with a sympathetic  tone. I love Novari media and you should all watch it!
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #361: May 09, 2021 12:36:00 am
      Agree with pretty much all of that.

      I guess they never saw the SNP coming. I don't even think the SNP saw the SNP coming. Instead of working with the SNP, Labour are slitting their own throats in Scotland trying to take them on. Seen reports today of Labour voters voting for the Tories so the Tories could win Dumbarton I think it was, which they did, so Labour voters won a seat for the Tories. Absolutely beggars belief.

      I don't think Labour should consider that. They are better than that in my opinion. SNP's victory is one of style over substance. Sturgeon is a great communicator - the best in the business. Direct, clear, you know where she stands. She alone, along with Salmond, has totally changed public discourse in Scotland. She communicates authority, control and strength. No wonder half the country have voted for them.

      But their governing record is not nearly as impressive as their talk. Education standards are now so poor that the SNP are stealthily removing Scotland from international surveys so not to shine a light on such shocking declines (she'd do well to move John Swinney out of the education brief and bring in someone new on that). Drugs deaths are on the rise, three times worse than anywhere else in the UK and the worst in Europe. And perhaps most stark of all, a complete failure to tackle child poverty. But that doesn't really matter when you've got an opposition that is so poor. Douglas Ross, the Tory leader in Scotland, is just pitiful and thinks all he needs to do is bang on about Sturgeon holding an 'illegal referendum' (which she isn't going to do anyway). Anas Sarwar had a decent campaign in communicating Labour's policies but in holding the SNP to account? Non existent. Similar to when Blair had it easy against a lineup of sorry opposition Tory leaders in the 90s and 00s, Sturgeon has it easy facing down an opposition that is muppet like. With opponents like that, no wonder she's so keen on holding a second indy ref as soon as possible!
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #362: May 09, 2021 12:43:16 am
      Politics is all so cyclical. Tories this time around lucked out with the vaccine roll out, never mind the 127,000 dead, you could never accuse the Brits of being selfish 🙄.

      Add on probably the biggest ever socialist injection of cash to keep people employed and the main stream media are creaming over the fact that the Tories have spent over £100B to buy one seat in Hartlepool.

      The average Brit has for what ever reason lurched over to the right but even the the thick idiots who voted Tory will realise eventually they have been conned, while those in power have taken them to the cleaners.

      Hope your happy paying your taxes to cover those lost years while they are smoking their Cuban cigars!
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      Reply #363: May 09, 2021 01:25:27 am
      The average Brit has for what ever reason lurched over to the right but even the the thick idiots who voted Tory will realise eventually they have been conned, while those in power have taken them to the cleaners.

      I don't think they will realise.

      All the BBC voxpops I've seen over the last few years have shone the most depressing light into large parts of the midlands and northern England. The towns.

      Without exception the people interviewed came across as completely witless, living pointless existences. i'm sure that sounds harsh but they just parroted sh*te they'd obviously heard on the telly hundreds of times.

      "Oo that Jeremy Corbyn and his anti-mechanisms."
      "Oo yes, terrible. Our Fred used to be a mechanic."

      Yes Corbyn was a tw*t, in that he couldn't seem to take on board that opinion polls showed him to be even less popular among the British public than Adolf Hitler, and step down so someone less polarising could have a go, but these voxpoppers didn't even know why he was supposed to be terrible. They'd just heard it on the telly.

      I don't think a lot of these people are capable of realising anything. That would suggest they had brains. They're so thick I don't even think they should be allowed to vote.

      I don't think England has been this politically illiterate since the Labour Party came into existence. It's like these wretches can't actually twig how badly they're being exploited unless they've got a union leader sitting there tearing his or her hair out, trying to explain to them why they shouldn't accept 20p an hour for working a 12-hour day and then pay £2.50 to their Tory buy-to-let landlord when they get home.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #364: May 09, 2021 11:35:13 am
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #365: May 09, 2021 02:31:15 pm
      I didn’t even bother voting last week.
      We have a labour councillor who only appears during election time and then disappears.
      We have no Tory or Lib Dem councillor at all, yet they still got some votes.
      And we have an independent local party who’s councillor is constantly getting arrested and getting involved in heated debates on social media. He actually won again.

      And I know people fought in the past for us to have the right to vote, but if they could see then what a farce it is now, they probably wouldn’t have bothered. I weighed it all up and decided against wasting 20 minutes of my life voting for clowns.
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #366: May 10, 2021 08:07:42 am
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #367: May 10, 2021 08:46:25 am
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      Re: Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won
      Reply #368: May 10, 2021 12:36:53 pm
      Probably 90% of his overall vote tally right there in that picture.

      Wrong... each to their own..

      https://twitter.com/edwardpoole1975/status/1391479439083642897?s=21

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