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      HUYTON RED
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      Reply #4000: Mar 23, 2021 10:07:44 pm
      Covid: £5,000 fine for people going on holiday abroad

      A £5,000 fine for anyone in England trying to travel abroad without good reason is due to come into force next week as part of new coronavirus laws.

      The penalty is included in legislation that will be voted on by MPs on Thursday.

      Foreign holidays are currently not allowed under the "stay at home" rule which ends on Monday.

      Prime Minister Boris Johnson said it was "too early" to set out new foreign travel rules for the summer.

      Mr Johnson told a Downing Street news conference he hoped for more information by 5 April.

      He said: "A lot of people do want to know about what's going to happen on the holiday front and I know there's a great deal of curiosity and interest."

      From next week the ban on leaving the UK will become a specific law, backed up by the threat of a fine.

      Under the current plan for easing restrictions, the earliest date people in England could go abroad for a holiday would be 17 May.

      It comes as another surge in Covid cases in continental Europe, as well as the slow rollout of vaccines across Europe, casts doubt on the resumption of holidays abroad.

      The PM's announcement on travelling abroad from England will be made sooner than expected - a taskforce looking into the issue had been scheduled to report back by 12 April.

      But it is understood the timings in the roadmap for easing lockdown - including the 17 May date - will remain unchanged.

      Government adviser Prof Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, told BBC Radio 4's World at One border measures should be relaxed more slowly than domestic restrictions.

      He said: "I think conservatively, and being risk averse at the moment, I think we should be planning on summer holidays in the UK not overseas."

      Prof Ferguson also criticised the exemptions that currently permit foreign travel and suggested everybody should be subject to mandatory testing when arriving into the UK.

      Legally-permitted reasons for foreign travel currently include work, volunteering, education, medical needs, and to attend weddings or funerals.

      Health Secretary Matt Hancock said restrictions on travelling abroad for leisure were necessary to guard against the importation of large numbers of cases and new variants which might put the vaccine rollout at risk.

      Shadow Cabinet Office minister Rachel Reeves said Labour supported measures to keep the UK's borders secure and avoid the importation of new variants but criticised the government's "slowness to react".

      Airlines UK, which represents big carriers, called for a "tiered system, based on risk" and confirmed airlines were working with government to restart international travel safely from 17 May.

      One government minister, Lord Bethell, said England might put "all our European neighbours" on the "red list" of countries.

      However, Mr Hancock denied there were plans to do this.

      People from those countries are currently not allowed to travel to the UK, with the exception of British nationals and people who are normally resident in the UK - but those two groups must pay to quarantine in a hotel if they do choose to come at the moment.

      The "red list" was introduced as part of travel regulations aimed at stopping Covid variants entering the country and is regularly reviewed, meaning countries are added or removed depending on their Covid situation.

      The government's global travel taskforce is considering a tiered or traffic light system for international travel when the ban on leaving the country is lifted.

      The discussion is focusing on what restrictions would apply to travellers returning from destinations in the lowest level.

      The intention is to publish the framework on 12 April, with decisions about which countries are in which tier to be taken later.

      Testing for children who travel is being considered because coronavirus vaccines are not currently approved for under-18s.

      The new coronavirus laws, due to be introduced on Monday, suggest anyone who leaves England for a destination outside the UK without a reasonable excuse, such as for work, education or medical treatment, could face a £5,000 fine.

      Anyone travelling abroad has to fill in a "Declaration to Travel" form, stating a valid reason for leaving the country, such as education, work or childcare.

      England's travel ban does not apply to those going to or from the common travel area of the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and the Republic of Ireland unless that is not the final destination.

      The UK's devolved nations have the power to set their own coronavirus restrictions.

      The earliest date people from Scotland and Wales will be able to go on holiday abroad is, like England, 17 May, while Northern Ireland has not yet announced its own plans.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56493002
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      Reply #4001: Mar 29, 2021 11:50:13 pm
      22 deaths registered from covid in the past day. Out of daily deaths of about 1800.

      Going to seem a strange 10 week wait until restrictions are fully lifted.
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      Reply #4002: Apr 01, 2021 02:40:13 pm
      This made me chuckle.

      Half of people do not know the main coronavirus symptoms, according to a report published in the British Medical Journal
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      Reply #4003: Apr 01, 2021 09:33:59 pm
      Quick update. Been on Covid unit one week today.  Things stable Been on oxygen all the time but they today will stress test my SATs level with minimal O2
      Learnt a lot off the ward and staff which I'll share at a better moment.  Had jab in Feb and enough antibodies must have been onboard to fight it.   I was the diligent careful one and had been for last year but the b***ard some how got to me.  Stay Safe. I'm positive

      Thanks for messages and PMs. YNWA

      All the best mate, get well soon eh.
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      Reply #4004: Apr 01, 2021 09:40:19 pm
      Quick update. Been on Covid unit one week today.  Things stable Been on oxygen all the time but they today will stress test my SATs level with minimal O2
      Learnt a lot off the ward and staff which I'll share at a better moment.  Had jab in Feb and enough antibodies must have been onboard to fight it.   I was the diligent careful one and had been for last year but the b***ard some how got to me.  Stay Safe. I'm positive

      Thanks for messages and PMs. YNWA

      F***ing hell mate, just seen this!

      Hope all is ok and you’re ok? 👍🏼
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      Reply #4005: Apr 02, 2021 06:21:31 pm
      https://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY



      Well ... that was an interesting three weeks  .... !?!!



      Discharged :       Where do I start ?
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      Reply #4006: Apr 03, 2021 09:56:31 am


      Discharged :       Where do I start ?

      How you feeling mate.
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      Reply #4007: Apr 03, 2021 05:08:06 pm
      Well start somewhere, talk about building it up, f**king drama queen!  ;)
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #4008: Apr 04, 2021 01:11:35 pm
      Government allowing 8000 people to the League Cup final.

      'Better than nothing etc' but for a stadium that can hold 90k, that's pathetic.
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      Reply #4009: Apr 04, 2021 02:07:27 pm
      Government allowing 8000 people to the League Cup final.

      'Better than nothing etc' but for a stadium that can hold 90k, that's pathetic.

      It's better than nothing but 18,000 probably about right if you take social distance into consideration. Main thing is though it's a step forward, let's hope it continues to get better numbers.
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      Reply #4010: Apr 04, 2021 02:44:31 pm
      Government allowing 8000 people to the League Cup final.



      And will jump to 20,000 on May 15 for FA Cup final.
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      Reply #4011: Apr 04, 2021 02:47:39 pm
      Government allowing 8000 people to the League Cup final.

      'Better than nothing etc' but for a stadium that can hold 90k, that's pathetic.

      And they will probably all be seated in the same stand while the rest of the stadium is empty.

      The clowns in office are the real covidiots.
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      Reply #4012: Apr 04, 2021 02:49:32 pm
      Covid: Trials to begin for return of England mass events

       The government is to trial a series of measures in England, including Covid passports, to allow the safe return of sports matches, events and nightclubs.

      Passes would show if a person had been vaccinated, had a recent negative test, or natural immunity.

      Trial events in the coming months will also explore how ventilation and testing before and after could help crowds return.

      Any use of passes would be "time-limited", the sports minister has said.

      The pilots, which will include the FA Cup final, will last until mid-May, and some of the listed events will not be trialling vaccination certification, including those taking place in Liverpool.

      Sports Minister Nigel Huddleston described the trials as a "learning experience", saying no decisions had yet been made on processes or vaccination certificates.

      He said the earlier pilots "almost certainly won't involve any element of certification", and that the government would also be looking at mitigations such as one way systems and hygiene measures.

      Mr Huddleston said the PM would receive a report on the trials at the end of May, and suggested further events could be added later in the year.

      Meanwhile, Downing Street has confirmed countries will be in a risk-based "traffic light" system when foreign holidays resume.     

      The pilots will include the FA Cup semi final and final in London's Wembley Stadium, the World Snooker Championship in Sheffield, a mass participation run at Hatfield House in Hertfordshire, and several events in Liverpool including an evening at a nightclub, a business conference and a cinema screening in the city.

      The FA Cup final will be using certification.

      The first pilot event will be a comedy night in Liverpool on 16 April where audience members will be tested for Covid before and after the show.

      Prof Iain Buchan, of the University of Liverpool, will be helping to run testing for the Liverpool-based trials. He told BBC Breakfast taking part would involve "giving your consent to take part when you book a ticket; receiving text messages about hands, face, space, fresh air; minimising unnecessary contacts before the event; getting tested within 36 hours, ideally as close to the event as possible; ideally having a test earlier in the week".

      Prof Buchan added: "Don't go on the day if you have any symptoms. All the events will be in very well ventilated places and the ventilation will be studied, and people will be asked to minimise contacts and get another test five days after, for the purpose of research."

      News of the trials, particularly Liverpool's nightclub pilot, was welcomed by industry body the Night Time Industries Association.

      But NTIA chief executive Michael Kill called for further trials across a wider scope of businesses in the sector, expressing concern "that this will only give an acute view of the challenges faced within such unique environments where one size does not fit all".

      More than 30 million people in the UK have received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine, with the government saying all adults will be offered a first jab by the end of July.       

       The NHS is said to be working on a system to allow people to demonstrate their status through an app or paper certificate.

      The government said it was also working with clinical and ethical experts on exemptions for people for whom vaccination is not advised and repeat testing would be difficult.

      No 10 said it did not want the scheme, which it is describing as "Covid-status certification", to be used on public transport or in essential shops.

      Businesses in England which can reopen in the coming weeks, including pubs, restaurants and non-essential retail will not have to use the system for now.

      However, sources say requiring a certificate to access hospitality further down the line - perhaps to reduce the need for social distancing - has not been ruled out.

      Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the government was doing everything it could to ensure people could return to events and travel "as safely as possible".

       Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove, who is leading the review into the use of Covid passports, has called certification for international travel an "inevitability".

      Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, he also said it could also be a "valuable aid" in reopening parts of the domestic economy faster.

      However, critics, including more than 40 Tory MPs and privacy campaigners, have suggested a Covid passport scheme could be "discriminatory and counterproductive".

      Labour's Jeremy Corbyn and senior Tory Iain Duncan Smith are among a broad coalition of MPs who have pledged their opposition.

      Their concerns have been echoed by leading scientists, including infectious diseases expert Dr Mike Tildesley, who told BBC Breakfast he was "very much against the idea of domestic travel passports at the moment when a lot of people have not been able to have the vaccine and also we know that it's very inconsistent across certain communities".

      He added: "I do realise we need some level of security to allow these events to reopen again.

      "What we really need though is a fair system that isn't discriminating against certain members of society."

      Prof Melinda Mills, director of the Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science at the University of Oxford, also appeared on the programme, and said there were "still a lot of open questions" about the scheme.

      She said: "There's scientific questions, there's logistical questions - how will it work - with an app or a paper version? - and there's real ethical questions as well, too: do I have to pay for the testing if I haven't been vaccinated or had that opportunity?"

      The sociologist acknowledged the scheme could work as an incentive for people to get vaccinated, but added that it could also inspire forgery if paper documents are used.

      While the proposed plans cover England only, the government is discussing the scheme with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

      Under the government's plan to ease England's lockdown, legal limits on social contact could be lifted by 21 June, if strict conditions are met.   

       The government said its risk-based traffic-light system for international travel would "help ensure the UK's vaccine progress isn't jeopardised and provide clear guidance for travellers".

      International leisure travel will not be allowed until 17 May at the earliest.

      After this point, travellers from countries in the green category will not have to isolate, although pre-departure and post-arrival tests will still be needed.

      For countries assigned red and amber, restrictions would remain as they are now, with arrivals required to enter quarantine or self-isolation.

      The list of countries included in each category will be drawn up closer to the time, and the government continues to advise people not to book summer holidays abroad.

      Further detail on international travel will be provided on Monday, along with information about a review into social distancing - which is examining how and when distancing requirements and the working from home guidance could be lifted, and whether Covid certification could facilitate changes to the rules.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56625307
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      Reply #4013: Apr 04, 2021 09:46:44 pm
      Prepared to get the vaccine for the sake of others but not interested in getting a vaccination passport.

      Businesses that insist on it just wont get my money, simple as.

      I'm almost certain the discussion about these passports is simply a con to ensure take up amongst the under 50s. It will probably work in bootlicking Britain.
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      Reply #4014: Apr 04, 2021 10:19:00 pm
      Prepared to get the vaccine for the sake of others but not interested in getting a vaccination passport.

      Businesses that insist on it just wont get my money, simple as.

      I'm almost certain the discussion about these passports is simply a con to ensure take up amongst the under 50s. It will probably work in bootlicking Britain.

      That goal posts seem to just keep getting moved.

      The very first lockdown was to 'protect the NHS' and stop hospitals getting over whelmed.

      Then we were told vaccination is the key to getting back to normal as it'll protect the most vulnerable.

      With vaccines you will have a record of who has been vaccinated, and conversely roughly how much of the population has been vaccinated, so I don't know why you would need a 'passport' system when you already have records of the amount of the population already protected?
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      Reply #4015: Apr 04, 2021 11:34:48 pm
      That goal posts seem to just keep getting moved.

      I don't think many British people have comprehended the fact that the only thing legal is they can go to work with potentially thousands of other people but entertainment indoors with two people is banned. Absolutely incredible.

      We live in a very sad society of mostly imbeciles.
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      Reply #4016: Apr 04, 2021 11:40:53 pm
      Prepared to get the vaccine for the sake of others but not interested in getting a vaccination passport.

      Businesses that insist on it just wont get my money, simple as.

      I'm almost certain the discussion about these passports is simply a con to ensure take up amongst the under 50s. It will probably work in bootlicking Britain.

      The passport thing is a disgrace, and while it will be the private sector largely driving this, governments could prohibit it but they won't. You'd think people will learn from this and vote differently next election cycle, but they won't and the same clowns will keep getting elected.
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      Reply #4017: Apr 04, 2021 11:46:23 pm
      I don't think many British people have comprehended the fact that the only thing legal is they can go to work with potentially thousands of other people but entertainment indoors with two people is banned. Absolutely incredible.

      We live in a very sad society of mostly imbeciles.

      Indeed.

      Like you I won't be interested in getting a passport. I'll get vaccinated when I'm on the list but once I've had it for me that should be enough.

      We still are on the crest of a wave of hundreds of businesses possibly going bust as far as I can see as the regulations that are being mooted, especially in the hospitality industry, simply cannot work.

      My Dad's friend is a head chef and according to him it simply isn't viable to run his business at 50% capacity without some other support.

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      Reply #4018: Apr 05, 2021 06:10:09 pm
      No sign of Miro?
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      Reply #4019: Apr 07, 2021 10:21:12 am
      Prepared to get the vaccine for the sake of others but not interested in getting a vaccination passport.

      Businesses that insist on it just wont get my money, simple as.

      I'm almost certain the discussion about these passports is simply a con to ensure take up amongst the under 50s. It will probably work in bootlicking Britain.

      Agree on this. For me the vaccination passport is basically a way of forcing people to get vaccinated, and whilst I agree with the vaccine, I don’t think it should essentially be forced on people.

      Just another erosion of civil liberties which have taken a massive hit during covid and let’s be honest, once the government has that power they won’t be giving it back.
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      Reply #4020: Apr 07, 2021 10:21:39 am

      Think he posted a few days ago saying he’d been discharged mate.
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      Reply #4021: Apr 07, 2021 02:45:03 pm
      Think he posted a few days ago saying he’d been discharged mate.

      I messaged him, hopefully he won't mind me sharing what he said:

      Been re admitted to hospital for fourth time.

      Bearing up. Medically a bit complicated
      So many things the medical profession admit to not knowing where long and short covid will go.

      Stay safe and stay sane
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      Reply #4022: Apr 07, 2021 03:18:22 pm
      UK to offer alternative to AstraZeneca jab for under 30's
      Under-30s are to be offered an alternative Covid jab to the AstraZeneca vaccine due to mounting evidence linking it to rare blood clots, the UK's vaccine advisory body says.

      A review by the drugs regulator MHRA found by the end of March 79 people in the UK suffered rare blood clots after vaccination - 19 of whom died.

      The regulator said this was not proof the jab had caused the clots.

      But it said the link was getting firmer.

      The regulator said the side-effects were extremely rare and the vaccine's effectiveness was proven.

      It said it meant the benefits of taking the vaccine were still very favourable for the vast majority.

      But they conceded it was more finely balanced for younger people because the risk from Covid was so much lower.

      The review prompted the government's vaccine advisory group, the JCVI, to recommend that people aged 18 to 29 be offered an alternative vaccine where available.

      People who have had their first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine should still get their second dose. Only those who suffered one of these rare blood clots after the first dose should not get vaccinated, the MHRA said.

      People with blood disorders that leave them at risk of clotting should discuss the benefits and risks of vaccination with their doctor before going for a jab.

      Nearly two-thirds of the cases of rare clots were seen in women. The people who died were aged between 18 and 79.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

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      Reply #4023: Apr 07, 2021 03:30:55 pm

      We'll all have a crack at the first one.  Second not possible!

      Look after yourself fella.
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      Reply #4024: Apr 07, 2021 05:55:48 pm
      The Hot Water Comedy Club have pulled out of the govt's planned reopening trial after blaming confusing messages from the Government.

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