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      Post 2020 General Election - Conservatives won

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      Reply #300: Mar 26, 2021 02:24:22 pm
      Salmond launching his own party. Alba. Probably to suit his own ego as he can't bear a moment out of the public limelight. Would be fascinating to see how this develops as I suspect the Alba party will be placed somewhat on the centre right. So ideologically, you have pro independence parties firing from all ideological angles which could strengthen their cause further.

      But I doubt the SNP and their dogsbodys the Greens are worrying just yet.
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      Reply #301: Mar 26, 2021 03:42:54 pm

      Don't think Salmond's as popular as he thinks he is now after that skirmish with Sturgeon. It might harm the Greens though who's sole existence relies on sympathetic second votes from hardcore nationalists. Patrick Harvie = Scrappy Doo of Scottish politics.
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      Reply #302: Mar 26, 2021 06:04:04 pm
      Don't think Salmond's as popular as he thinks he is now after that skirmish with Sturgeon. It might harm the Greens though who's sole existence relies on sympathetic second votes from hardcore nationalists. Patrick Harvie = Scrappy Doo of Scottish politics.

      How popular is Sturgeon mate?

      I only ask as my father in law is from Fife, don't see him much, but I know he isn't a huge fan.
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      Reply #303: Mar 26, 2021 06:50:12 pm
      How popular is Sturgeon mate?

      I only ask as my father in law is from Fife, don't see him much, but I know he isn't a huge fan.

      Still very popular I'm sure and by far the most popular of the leaders, partly because she's the only significant leader. The likes of Tory Party leader Douglas Ross and Labour's Anas Sarwar look lightweight (though in fairness to Sarwar he has just started and his politics seem bang on) . She is undoubtedly helped by some dire competition.

      I liked Sturgeon a lot more than Salmond when she first came in. Such a palette cleanser from Salmond's arrogance and bullying.

      But she's increasingly got on my nerves the last couple of years. Familiarity breeds contempt but partly its a refusal to sack/remove underperforming ministers from her cabinet. A tolerance of mediocrity in a number of key policy areas like health and education (which is increasingly dire). But her inner cabal/cabinet is still very disciplined. Appearing competent is Sturgeon's great trick and she does it better than any politician in the last 10-15 years. All about the presentation.
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      Reply #305: Mar 27, 2021 10:44:14 am
      https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1375382504555823105

      https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1375402135165227008


      Unless of course it's protesting against this government or the police then you'll be arrested.
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      Reply #309: Apr 29, 2021 07:13:45 pm
      Starmer attacking Boris Johnson by erm looking at wallpaper in John Lewis.

      https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1387787973412937729
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      Reply #314: May 02, 2021 05:12:54 pm

      And that’s including the high earners

      The average wage in the working class would be far less than that
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      Reply #315: May 03, 2021 01:16:10 pm

      He needs that to send all his hoard to private schools plus their maintenance.

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      Reply #316: May 07, 2021 09:59:29 am
      Dire result for Labour in Hartlepool
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      Reply #317: May 07, 2021 10:35:18 am
      Dire result for Labour in Hartlepool

      Blairite Starmer needs to resign...
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      Reply #318: May 07, 2021 10:47:38 am
      Labour seem in general to have lost touch, with the ordinary working man in the street, which is worrying on the whole, not only for the party, but the country on the whole.
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      Reply #319: May 07, 2021 11:00:03 am

      As ever the establishment controls what the gullible find acceptable and legitimate when in fact it is propaganda to maintain the power held by elitists.

      Let’s not forget the establishment’s greatest weapon - division!
      From some of the comments here the tactic is still a great success.
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      Reply #320: May 07, 2021 12:06:26 pm
      Labour seem in general to have lost touch, with the ordinary working man in the street, which is worrying on the whole, not only for the party, but the country on the whole.

      Totally agree. And it's what you get when you elect three consecutive leaders from the London metropole who are more interested in, political causes that someone in Hartlepool or Darlington does not care about. The rot started under Ed Miliband who did not sound like or talk to those people. His five years as leader at a time of an unpopular hard austerity coalition government had a lot to answer for. And of course, he completely lost Scotland. A far cry from 2010 election when Gordon Brown, despite losing the election, led the party to a dominant win there.

      Miliband completely blew a perfectly winnable opportunity in 2015 and ended up losing seats for Labour. It kind of hacks me off seeing him pissing about on podcasts and all that, in complete denial about just how much he fu**ed the party up. Such a prat.

      Time to f**k off the London leadership experiment and start thinking and talking to people outside the capital.
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      Reply #321: May 07, 2021 12:13:41 pm
      Totally agree. And it's what you get when you elect three consecutive leaders from the London metropole who are more interested in, political causes that someone in Hartlepool or Darlington does not care about. The rot started under Ed Miliband who did not sound like or talk to those people. His five years as leader at a time of an unpopular hard austerity coalition government had a lot to answer for. And of course, he completely lost Scotland. A far cry from 2010 election when Gordon Brown, despite losing the election, led the party to a dominant win there.

      Miliband completely blew a perfectly winnable opportunity in 2015 and ended up losing seats for Labour. It kind of hacks me off seeing him pissing about on podcasts and all that, in complete denial about just how much he fu**ed the party up. Such a prat.

      Time to f**k off the London leadership experiment and start thinking and talking to people outside the capital.

      Corbyn held Hartlepool twice & with a majority... Blairites have fu**ed Labour with the fake anti semitism smears against Corbyn & the purge of the left & far left..they also cornered Corbyn to become a remainder in the EU when the people wanted out the EU..

      People have spoken & they rejected Blairtes & Starmers Labour..
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      Reply #322: May 07, 2021 12:19:04 pm
      Corbyn held Hartlepool twice & with a majority... Blairites have fu**ed Labour with the fake anti semitism smears against Corbyn & the purge of the left & far left..they also cornered Corbyn to become a remainder in the EU when the people wanted out the EU..

      People have spoken & they rejected Blairtes & Starmers Labour..

      I think you'll find that in 2019, "Corbyn's last stand", the Hartlepool result was far less than a majority for Labour. In fact their share of the vote started crashing from 52% in 2017 to 37% in 2019.

      So he's just as culpable. Not to mention the fact that he handed the Tories an 80 plus majority as well. The bizarre notion that a return to Corbyn is on the cards on that not so insignificant fact renders such an idea as clinically insane
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      Reply #323: May 07, 2021 12:19:42 pm
      Dire result for Labour in Hartlepool

      Indeed.  Looks like 80% of the Brexit party voters have gone to the Conservatives.

      Not a massive surprise really.  I'm no big fan of Starmer but it's been wall to wall Boris for the past 12 months on TV and this election has come at a pretty decent stage for the Government with vaccines as opposed to coffins being rolled out.
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      Reply #324: May 07, 2021 12:23:32 pm
      I think you'll find that in 2019, "Corbyn's last stand", the Hartlepool result was far less than a majority for Labour. In fact their share of the vote started crashing from 52% in 2017 to 37% in 2019.

      That's one way of looking at it.  Another way is that Corbyn (elected in 2015) increased Labour's share from 35.6% (2015) to 52.5% (2017).

      Either way - Starmer's got it down to just under 29%. 

      I'm politically probably closer to Starmer than Corbyn but I'm far less enthusiastic about voting for him because I don't think his government would change things much from the status quo.  At least you knew with Corbyn that he wanted public ownership of transport, higher minimum wage, higher tax on millionaires etc.  Don't think most people see much difference between a Con goverment and a Lab government at the minute.

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