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      Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round

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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #25: Mar 01, 2020 01:04:28 pm
      Let's get this won now - No more unbeaten record to try and preserve. Should be going all out for the treble
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #26: Mar 01, 2020 01:51:08 pm
      Let's get this won now - No more unbeaten record to try and preserve. Should be going all out for the treble

      We will.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #27: Mar 01, 2020 02:16:28 pm
      F**k that, if I played yesterday i would be begging to get back in there and play. We havent looked sharp since before the break. Something needs to change, Chelsea will go strong and it looks like were in need of reps to shake the rust off. Lovern out. Find Jones a place in the middle of the park. Start Origi in Mini in place of two of the front 3 and find a way to get them on sometime in the 2nd half. Hell I'd be fine with no changes other than Dejan.

      Something needs to change if we wanna get through to the next round of the CL. Maybe the loss will put more of a priority on the FA Cup (a trophy) rather than league records. Last I looked, the only thing on our champions wall is trophies

      "Something needs to change" But "I'd be fine with no changes other than Dejan."

      Got it.

      What would you want if you had played is totally irrelevant. Totally.

      One thing I'm thankful for is that J├╝rgen is a planner. He has had a plan for managing his squad and for this competition and it has paid off in one of the most successful seasons thus far in club history. Every indication we've seen thus far is that he will change all or most of hte side for Tuesday, and this has worked extremely well in that:

      1. We are still in the Cup

      2. We are runaway leaders in the league.

      All of this isn't undone because we lost one game of soccer.

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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #28: Mar 01, 2020 06:12:08 pm
      Not sure we can make to many changes.We need to play properly not this half assed nonsense of recent games.There should be no tiredness, saving legs etc,excuses.Get this f**king won.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #29: Mar 01, 2020 07:31:18 pm
                      Adrian
      Williams, Matip, Lovren/Gomez, Larouci
          Lallana, Fabinho, Jones
            Elliott  Origi  Minamino

      Something like that.
      Don't see J├╝rgen changing much from the FA cup teams he's been picking.
      Tbh, not sure they could be much worse than the way we played with the full team on Sat.
      Give these lads another shot, they've done great so far.


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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #30: Mar 02, 2020 08:03:39 am
      Play a near full strength side against Chelsea, at least try to wipe out the memory of Saturday's performance at Watford.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #31: Mar 02, 2020 09:45:22 am
      We still have a lot of big games to play and need as strong and fresh a squad possible going in to our next busy fixture schedule.

      Yesterday was disappointing but definitely a game we could afford to lose. I think Klopp took a calculated risk playing Lovren as he needed to ensure both Gomez and Matip are fully fit for the upcoming cup games and next 4 league games. Yesterday was not a game to take risks with players fitness.

      I agree with that, but does that suggest Matip is still not fully fit, its the only excuse I will accept, otherwise it was a f**k up by Klopp playing Lovren against a snide physical player like Deeney, the type of player Lovren always struggles against.
      Personally I think Klopp underestimated Watford, it is one of his failings that he sometimes underestimates lower position teams, at this time of the season no one can be underestimated, especially relegation threatened teams, Klopp really should know this by now.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #32: Mar 02, 2020 09:54:58 am
      Personally I think Klopp underestimated Watford, it is one of his failings that he sometimes underestimates lower position teams,
      Really??!!

      We haven't lost in the league to a lower position team (other than City 14 months ago) since the 2017-18 season.

      Also, EVERYONE is a lower position team these days!!

      Ridiculous statement!  Our incredible run ending does highlight the "fans" that have an increasing sense of entitlement.

      We can't win every game FFS!!!
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #33: Mar 02, 2020 10:17:31 am
      "Something needs to change" But "I'd be fine with no changes other than Dejan."

      Got it.

      What would you want if you had played is totally irrelevant. Totally.

      One thing I'm thankful for is that J├╝rgen is a planner. He has had a plan for managing his squad and for this competition and it has paid off in one of the most successful seasons thus far in club history. Every indication we've seen thus far is that he will change all or most of hte side for Tuesday, and this has worked extremely well in that:

      1. We are still in the Cup

      2. We are runaway leaders in the league.

      All of this isn't undone because we lost one game of soccer.

      First off, changing lovern is changing something boss, so I dunno what you were trying to prove there, but no matter.

      You are right in that it doesnt matter what I would want if I was player. I'm not a player. However, the point I was trying to prove is that the team certainly needs to respond. We have looked stale since the break. Our play and results have proven this point. One way to to respond would be to come out strong with a relatively unchanged lineup. Can we respond with a similar lineup from the Everton game? Sure. However, if we lose the game with a younger squad  people will look to lineup and say "what if we had played ________?"

      Its a fair point, isn't it? And you say we have lost one game but that isn't true. We have lost 2 of the 4 we have played since the break and havent looked like ourselves in any of them. I'm certainly not freaking out. I think we will write the ship. All I was trying to say is I hope to see us make a statement on Tuesday and I think the best way to do that is with a strong lineup.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #34: Mar 02, 2020 10:18:01 am
      Really??!!

      We haven't lost in the league to a lower position team (other than City 14 months ago) since the 2017-18 season.

      Also, EVERYONE is a lower position team these days!!

      Ridiculous statement!  Our incredible run ending does highlight the "fans" that have an increasing sense of entitlement.

      We can't win every game FFS!!!

      take no notice mate he has a hard on for J├╝rgen he takes great delight in finding fault with him only problem its all in his mind whilst the rest of us just are in awe of tis teams record these past two season. We had an off day they had there best day that's how it goes.
      How can people now suggest this is a must win game when we have one mission this season win the League anything else is a bonus. Imagine how some of them would react to a manager that was 20 or 30 points behind us they would be rioting in the streets.
      Away to Chelsea has always been a really difficult game and it will be the same tomorrow
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #35: Mar 02, 2020 10:22:58 am
      "Something needs to change" But "I'd be fine with no changes other than Dejan."

      Got it.

      What would you want if you had played is totally irrelevant. Totally.

      One thing I'm thankful for is that J├╝rgen is a planner. He has had a plan for managing his squad and for this competition and it has paid off in one of the most successful seasons thus far in club history. Every indication we've seen thus far is that he will change all or most of hte side for Tuesday, and this has worked extremely well in that:

      1. We are still in the Cup

      2. We are runaway leaders in the league.

      All of this isn't undone because we lost one game of soccer.



      If Dejan doesnt play again and we lose Virgil and Joe how is he supposed to just come in and be at the top of his game. I don't like this scapegoating of a Liverpool player he hasn't had much game time and he was in a team the played poorly by their standards but somehow he is responsible for this. He maybe 4th choice but he may well be needed attacking the lad isn't going to help him (not you by the way). If he isn't selected tomorrow its over for him at Liverpool .
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #36: Mar 02, 2020 10:33:29 am
      I'd love to see Chelsea facing a backlash from Saturday's disappointment. It will be a very tough game, but the boys will be up for it.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #37: Mar 02, 2020 10:54:29 am
      Really??!!

      We haven't lost in the league to a lower position team (other than City 14 months ago) since the 2017-18 season.

      Also, EVERYONE is a lower position team these days!!

      Ridiculous statement!  Our incredible run ending does highlight the "fans" that have an increasing sense of entitlement.

      We can't win every game FFS!!!

      So playing a totally rusty defender who struggles against physical attackers was not underestimating Watford then, ok, but I disagree. Anyway its not a big deal, I'm ok with the loss as long as it provides a base we can spring up from, because we've been very average since the winter break, hopefully you can agree to that.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #38: Mar 02, 2020 11:37:15 am
      So playing a totally rusty defender who struggles against physical attackers was not underestimating Watford then, ok, but I disagree. Anyway its not a big deal, I'm ok with the loss as long as it provides a base we can spring up from, because we've been very average since the winter break, hopefully you can agree to that.

      I think Klopp would have made his mind up that he'd be giving Lovren & Matip a start each in these two games (Watford & Chelsea). Probably chose Lovren over Matip as he didn't want to throw somebody who's just came back from a long layout in against an attacker aggressive as Troy Deeney. If you look at the Chelsea game too, they'll probably start with Giroud leading the line. So it makes sense to keep Matip for that one as he'd be better coping with the aerial threat.

      Understandable when you look at it all on paper, but obviously we've got the benefit of hindsight now
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #39: Mar 02, 2020 11:47:07 am
      I think Klopp would have made his mind up that he'd be giving Lovren & Matip a start each in these two games (Watford & Chelsea). Probably chose Lovren over Matip as he didn't want to throw somebody who's just came back from a long layout in against an attacker aggressive as Troy Deeney. If you look at the Chelsea game too, they'll probably start with Giroud leading the line. So it makes sense to keep Matip for that one as he'd be better coping with the aerial threat.

      Understandable when you look at it all on paper, but obviously we've got the benefit of hindsight now

      I'm all for giving defenders some more minutes to keep them fresh but Lovren against Deeney was just an accident waiting to happen. I can only assume that Matip wasn't quite right for the match otherwise it really was a blunder from the coaching staff.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #40: Mar 02, 2020 11:59:38 am
      Lovren may as well play again at Chelsea, if he was rusty he'll be less so having 90 minutes under his belt. He'll always be a loose cannon just like Moreno was but he's part of the squad so we'll use him.. He does need to go in the summer though..
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #41: Mar 02, 2020 12:01:38 pm
      Is Clyne anywhere near being fit to play?
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #42: Mar 02, 2020 12:18:15 pm
      Lovren may as well play again at Chelsea, if he was rusty he'll be less so having 90 minutes under his belt. He'll always be a loose cannon just like Moreno was but he's part of the squad so we'll use him.. He does need to go in the summer though..

      Sorry but WTF???
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #43: Mar 02, 2020 12:24:24 pm
      Is Clyne anywhere near being fit to play?

      He was back in training a couple of weeks ago, not sure how close he is to a return though.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #44: Mar 02, 2020 12:27:12 pm
      Is Clyne anywhere near being fit to play?

      Forgot he even existed!
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #45: Mar 02, 2020 12:29:39 pm
      Lovren may as well play again at Chelsea, if he was rusty he'll be less so having 90 minutes under his belt.

      Think both him and Matip will play. 

      Not sure how close Milner is to be being back but maybe him and Keita in the middle.  Front three hardly worked much on Saturday so I'd stick them in as well!

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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #46: Mar 02, 2020 12:42:45 pm
      Milner and Gomez fit both hopefully will play . Matip and William's the other two defenders
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #47: Mar 02, 2020 12:44:34 pm
      Klopp saying the Shrewsbury away was more like an FA Cup team and not the Shrewsbury home.

      Going to be a good mix of first teamers I think.
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      Re: Pre Match: Chelsea v Liverpool (Tuesday 03.03.20 7:45 PM K.O), FA Cup 5th Round
      Reply #49: Mar 02, 2020 01:13:43 pm
      https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/fcb9kf/klopp_quotes_from_the_chelsea_prematch_press/

      On Neil Critchley's departure: "Congratulations, to Blackpool and to Neil. It's a great thing. It's a nice challenge and opportunity for him. He wanted to take it, he asked the club we said yes of course. It's really nice because it shows that it's possible that you can make your way as a youth or u-23 coach. It's always what we wanted to have. We wanted to have the best people in here. In all different departments, meaning all the coaching roles as well. That means there is some requests and there will be hopefully more in the future, some requests from other clubs. That's exactly how it should be. You don't want to have someone here for 20 years, who is doing the same job. I'm really happy for him, that he got the opportunity and that he takes it. Big club. Hopefully everything will go well."

      On whether the Watford loss affects the strength of the FA cup line-up: "The defeat has nothing to do with the line-up for tomorrow night. That line-up will be shown tomorrow not now and here. We have no clue what Chelsea are doing why should they know what we are doing? We always played the team who gave us the best opportunity to go to the next round. For different reasons, physical demands for a season, how are the boys in that moment, fitness levels, injuries, coming back from injuries. It was always like this except the last replay against Shrewsbury. Apart from that it was always the same it will be like this as well."

      On the impact caused by Henderson's absence: "He wasn't absent, he was in the dressing room. He just didn't play. Like Milly was. I really love how finally Hendo gets all the recognition he would've deserved maybe earlier. But Hendo's absence or Milly's was not the reason for losing against Watford so it's never like this. And will hopefully never be like that. We have enough very good players on the pitch and we didn't deliver. That's how it is. We are not blind we saw that. But Henderson is very very important of course."

      Fitness update:
      "No new injuries. Milly's back. The other's not. Is that right? Who are the others? Oh, Joe!. Joe's in, Milly in. The others not."

      On rhythm at the moment: " All good, look there are so many explanations for the defeat. It's nice. Finally, you have some questions. I think it was boring them over the time speaking always about the same thing. But I cannot now deliver interesting answers. It's not about the rhythm. We didn't play well. That's the truth. Watford hurt is in moments where we are usually much better. It was a throw-in fight for the first goal, cannot block the cross for the guy who is finishing it off in the end. So 3 or 4 mistakes in a row that can lead to goals. That's nothing to do with rhythm. The next goal we concede in a situation where I think at least one if not two players of us thought the ball was out. It's about mindset in this moment. Our concentration levels, how ready you are. We saw that for ourselves, it was not the day where we showed our best attitude-wise. Apart from that it was anyway a very difficult game because Watford defended in a 6-3-1 formation which is of course allowed but quite a challenge to play against. But if you want to play against it you have to play different, like we did. And I really thought in the beginning of the second half finally we got it, took a while but finally we got it. Then we concede the first goal then the second goal and then it's not game over but it's not that you can then build on a few good situations in the beginning of the second half. That's it. Nothing to do with rhythm. But, the situation we are in if you want to read a book about how to deal with the situation you can read a book because nobody else was in the situation before us. So the boys didn't lose, and I really had no idea how many games it was but now I know it because everybody told me it's over now, was 44 games without losing a Premier League. The Premier League game before Watford we lost was at Man City. It was because of 11mm. Imagine we wouldn't of lost that game. It would've been a run of more than 60 games, which is absolutely incredible."

      Would that have made you champions? "Maybe, I don't know. It's incredible. Now, in this game we didn't show- I know we didn't play the stars in the sky against West Ham but that's not possible. We played 3 or 4 times in the row against a team who either fight for the league with all they have or against Atletico if you want a team who is not in the best moment or wasn't in the best moment in the league plays a home game in a really interesting approach. Really defensively orientated formation wise. That's the most difficult thing in football, it's nothing to do about rhythm. Could we have done better? of course. But it's not about now picking this game out(The Watford game) and show that was the sign that something went wrong. It's not like this. If we have the chance to react and that's how it is. The longer you are in a situation like this. The biggest challenge these boys face constantly is everybody is fighting for everything and we fight with questions we get asked about "is it over yet?" "when will you do it?" and stuff like this. It's not that we are really bothered about it it's just the situation. That's over now. That's good. We can concentrate again completely on football and we will do that. It didn't distract us or whatever it's just the situation. Nobody can tell us how to deal in the best way with runs like this because not a lot of teams had it. That's all what I can say. I was not happy with the performance but it was always clear there will be a moment where it can happen and now it happened. So that's how it is and nothing else."

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