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      Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #425: Mar 07, 2020 11:47:27 pm
      No, you've just used stats that are 3 years out of date for one player, whilst also including stats in lower divisions which make up the bulk of Lallana's goals.
      Seeing as you were using incorrect stats and missing things such as 1 goal in the last 53 appearances for one player, I'd say it was you trying to get things to suit your argument.

      Yes Ox has a career total of 42 goals, a career that to this date has seen him spend the ages of 16/17 in the lower divisions and everything else in the Premier League and at times playing right back. Lallana spent 6 seasons in the lower divisions and 47 of his 82 goals came in them them divisions, that's over half of them and in about 250 of his 447 games.

      Also using just league stats for what reason? We have a Champions League game next, and Ox has a significantly better record in Europe for us than what Lallana has so why are you choosing not to mention that?

      Not bothered about you preferring Lallana to start, just don't use skewed and also incorrect stats to try and back up your argument for him over Ox when in actual fact, Lallana, for the last 3 years and 53 games has a whopping goal threat of 1.

      My argument was NOT that Lallana is a better goal threat..my goal comparison was a bit contrived but it was a reply to H who started the goal threat argument.

      I was saying that Lallana  IMO might be the better option against packed defence, seige situations. I more or less claimed, looking at both career's Lallana has at least matched the Ox. And you can move stats about but that is a fair opinion regarding their respective goal tally.

      It's more than likely to be the Ox or Keita..I back both of these players. But we might just need something different...maybe...mayb e not..

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      Reply #426: Mar 07, 2020 11:57:54 pm
      My argument was NOT that Lallana is a better goal threat..my goal comparison was a bit contrived but it was a reply to H who started the goal threat argument.

      I was saying that Lallana  IMO might be the better option against packed defence, seige situations. I more or less claimed, looking at both career's Lallana has at least matched the Ox. And you can move stats about but that is a fair opinion regarding their respective goal tally.

      It's more than likely to be the Ox or Keita..I back both of these players. But we might just need something different...maybe...mayb e not..

      Against a packed defense, in the first 60 mins you want Ox, as a battering ram.

      Then when they are tiring, you bring on Lallana, with quick feet, ability to hold the ball up, and excellence in tight spaces.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #427: Mar 08, 2020 01:51:32 am
      I just watched the match again and have to say, we didn't play badly at all. Their opening goal is a refereeing travesty. The chance that Milner cleared, well yes that is a bad giveaway from Fabinho, but Adrian did his part and Milner his. The chance at the very end is no chance at all because the player is definitely offside. Those are the rules.

      Beyond that we responded to the adversity very well to get the lead back. Then we had so many other chances: Mo finds Milner, Bobby through on goal, Mo shot saved at near post, Milner cross from in tight, Bobby cross misses Mane at far post, Mane hits the goal post, Ox with a shot on target and finally good work from Mo to create a chance for Bobby that he totally missed. Overall, the team looked much more like itself. I think Adrian did alright as well. So often in the pre-match we say, three points however we can get it - well that's what we've done today.

      Fab-Gini-Hendo was a winning midfield against Barcelona last year after Milner switched to left back when Robbo was injured. Different opponent of course but I think it will work Wednesday because we must guard against the counter as well as create chances.
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      Reply #428: Mar 08, 2020 08:08:06 am
      Well I posted what a good steal it was from Gini, and it was Sadio. Just saw on motd.
      I was watching in mini mode on my phone though. Apologies to Sadio for creating s great chance.
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      Reply #429: Mar 08, 2020 11:00:18 am
      I just watched the match again and have to say, we didn't play badly at all. Their opening goal is a refereeing travesty. The chance that Milner cleared, well yes that is a bad giveaway from Fabinho, but Adrian did his part and Milner his. The chance at the very end is no chance at all because the player is definitely offside. Those are the rules.

      Beyond that we responded to the adversity very well to get the lead back. Then we had so many other chances: Mo finds Milner, Bobby through on goal, Mo shot saved at near post, Milner cross from in tight, Bobby cross misses Mane at far post, Mane hits the goal post, Ox with a shot on target and finally good work from Mo to create a chance for Bobby that he totally missed. Overall, the team looked much more like itself. I think Adrian did alright as well. So often in the pre-match we say, three points however we can get it - well that's what we've done today.

      Fab-Gini-Hendo was a winning midfield against Barcelona last year after Milner switched to left back when Robbo was injured. Different opponent of course but I think it will work Wednesday because we must guard against the counter as well as create chances.

      Spot on, I thought we were pretty good, just couldn't find that 3rd goal. Our interplay in the final third is stil uncoordinated which I find weird, it should be like clockwork, these guys should know each others movements by now.

      All in all much better performance and fully deserved 3 points.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #430: Mar 08, 2020 11:45:45 am
      Did not see any of the game or even the highlights, but seemingly 3 hard earned points and a giant stride in wrapping up winning the title.
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      Reply #431: Mar 08, 2020 11:53:18 am
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      Reply #432: Mar 08, 2020 11:54:50 am
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      Reply #433: Mar 08, 2020 03:09:48 pm
      But VAR is so inconsistent. Clearly a push in the back on Joe for their goal..one week it gets it right..the next a complete howler. The inconsistency is ruining what could be a good system.

      I'll be honest I didn't think it was that much of a push and should of be dealt with by Gomez. He slowed down thinking he had more time that he actually had. Easiest thing would of been deal with it and put it in row 60.
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      Reply #434: Mar 08, 2020 03:11:19 pm
      Well I posted what a good steal it was from Gini, and it was Sadio. Just saw on motd.
      I was watching in mini mode on my phone though. Apologies to Sadio for creating s great chance.

      The pass to Salah was awful, lucky Salah did as well as he could, but the original pass from Mane to Salah wasn't a good one.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #435: Mar 08, 2020 05:36:49 pm
      I'll be honest I didn't think it was that much of a push and should of be dealt with by Gomez. He slowed down thinking he had more time that he actually had. Easiest thing would of been deal with it and put it in row 60.

      I am of the same opinion, Gomez wasn't ready to engage in a battle and Wilson with minimal contact threw him off. Gomez just didn't read the situation right.

      The game wasn't bad performance wise though would of liked to see more created in terms of shots and chances but I do like the clinical nature that Mane and Salah shown when given a chance. We are going to need that going into the UCL match because I expect early on it will be slim pickings and if they give us a inch through mistake we have to make them pay.

      In the end another 3 points and step closer to the title
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      Reply #436: Mar 08, 2020 05:39:39 pm
      I'll be honest I didn't think it was that much of a push and should of be dealt with by Gomez. He slowed down thinking he had more time that he actually had. Easiest thing would of been deal with it and put it in row 60.

      It wasn't impressive on Gomez's part for sure but still a clear foul. Wilson made no effort to play the ball and it was a shove not a push for me.

      At least this LiVARpool sh*te can be put to bed now.
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      Reply #437: Mar 08, 2020 05:42:24 pm
      It wasn't impressive on Gomez's part for sure but still a clear foul. Wilson made no effort to play the ball and it was a shove not a push for me.

      At least this LiVARpool sh*te can be put to bed now.

      Tbh watching the replay on telly before it looked more of a push than it did from my angle from kop yesterday.
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      Reply #438: Mar 08, 2020 06:19:02 pm
      I just saw the match because I was super busy yesterday. When knowing the result, keeps you into perspective. I saw that we were after the result and nothing more.

      MOTM was Milner but Salah's goal was vital.
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      Reply #439: Mar 08, 2020 07:54:38 pm
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      Reply #440: Mar 08, 2020 10:47:44 pm
      We got over the line just in a very difficult game, never easy when your playing teams in the bottom half of the table who are fighting for every point.
      We move on now only needing two more wins, can't believe I'm saying that actually, waited so long, 30 years is almost a lifetime seemingly.

      Have to say that I am worried about Wednesday, just hope that Hendo is back, we need some steel in that midfield.

      6 points is all we need and it's only the beginning of March  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Reply #441: Mar 08, 2020 11:44:38 pm
      Forgot to come in here and say GET THE FUCKKKKKKK INNNNNNN

      Thank f**k Milner was there, what a save, have a feeling if that was Robbo, no way is that being cleared as Andy is so predominantly left footed, he probably would have knocked it into our own net.

      James Milner MOTM without question. Great having such a Leader back in the match day squad.
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      Reply #442: Mar 09, 2020 02:37:18 am
      Foul on Wilson all day long. Sure Joe could have dealt better but a push in the back by a defender on someone playing the ball will ALWAYS get called. But not surprising considering who was reffing.

      That said, good response and a vital win. League just about wrapped up.....in March.
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      Reply #443: Mar 09, 2020 07:44:05 am
      On that foul on joe. Been said if the ref missed it, how on earth could VAR miss it. ?
      VAR isn’t a scientific calculation of issues. Whatever it shows or recalls, is still down to the operator to call the decision. If that individual isn’t completely impartial, VAR isn’t worth a wankers.
      In this incident, the official or officials, clearly have an agenda against Liverpool.
      There was no doubt whatsoever that it was a foul, to not call it, made a huge statement, that they should never be trusted to be in control of var decisions again.
      Isn’t there 3 individuals who check var together. That one of them didn’t call it is unbelievable.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #444: Mar 09, 2020 08:23:29 am
      We got over the line just in a very difficult game, never easy when your playing teams in the bottom half of the table who are fighting for every point.
      We move on now only needing two more wins, can't believe I'm saying that actually, waited so long, 30 years is almost a lifetime seemingly.

      Have to say that I am worried about Wednesday, just hope that Hendo is back, we need some steel in that midfield.

      6 points is all we need and it's only the beginning of March  :kop5cf8koxp6:

      If Henderson isn’t fit I would 100% stick Milner in there mate. That leadership was vital against Bournemouth
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      Reply #445: Mar 09, 2020 08:37:42 am
      Fukin great win !!


      Back on track. Milner outstanding.

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      Reply #446: Mar 09, 2020 10:01:13 am
      If Henderson isn’t fit I would 100% stick Milner in there mate. That leadership was vital against Bournemouth

      Yes I agree with that, we need Milner's experience and guile if Hendo is not fit.
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      Reply #447: Mar 09, 2020 11:16:22 am
      On that foul on joe. Been said if the ref missed it, how on earth could VAR miss it. ?
      VAR isn’t a scientific calculation of issues. Whatever it shows or recalls, is still down to the operator to call the decision. If that individual isn’t completely impartial, VAR isn’t worth a wankers.
      In this incident, the official or officials, clearly have an agenda against Liverpool.
      There was no doubt whatsoever that it was a foul, to not call it, made a huge statement, that they should never be trusted to be in control of var decisions again.
      Isn’t there 3 individuals who check var together. That one of them didn’t call it is unbelievable.

      Starting to sound like, unless a referee was completely unsighted, the VAR won't over turn it. They basically are covering for one another. They use the subjective "clear and obvious error" languàge to justify every decision.

      For the officials, getting it right is secondary to not being made to look bad
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      Re: Liverpool 2-1 AFC Bournemouth: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #448: Mar 09, 2020 12:39:49 pm
      On that foul on joe. Been said if the ref missed it, how on earth could VAR miss it. ?
      VAR isn’t a scientific calculation of issues. Whatever it shows or recalls, is still down to the operator to call the decision. If that individual isn’t completely impartial, VAR isn’t worth a wankers.
      In this incident, the official or officials, clearly have an agenda against Liverpool.
      There was no doubt whatsoever that it was a foul, to not call it, made a huge statement, that they should never be trusted to be in control of var decisions again.
      Isn’t there 3 individuals who check var together. That one of them didn’t call it is unbelievable.

      Apparently, the ref saw it, didn't think it was a foul, so VAR couldn't overturn as "no clear and obvious error".

      In other words, they are using it to cover the refs back.
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      Reply #449: Mar 09, 2020 12:44:39 pm
      Yes I agree with that, we need Milner's experience and guile if Hendo is not fit.

      Henderson was training normally yesterday so he's likely going to be available. Robertson will likely be back too.

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