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      shabbadoo
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      Re: Coronavirus effect on football
      Reply #897: Apr 06, 2020 12:16:19 pm
      Furlough sh*te

      Owners dont deserve it. Principles mean more to me

      Owners may not deserve it but us supporters who have waited so long should not let a lack of judgement from the club deny us our title..
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      Reply #898: Apr 06, 2020 12:37:10 pm
      No.. not in my opinion. I spend my life defending the morals and ethics of this club to other pricks. Then the club make a decision like this? Well f**k them..

      Literally wouldn't give a flick of it got cancelled now, like I say these owners dont get this club and therefore dont deserve any success or my undivided loyalty

      Maybe it's a generational thing Keith or maybe a proximity to the city thing. I was brought up by my grandad on this club as literally being more than just what happens on the pitch

      I'm very big on principles myself mate so wouldn't never call anyone with the same thoughts. I do get called stubborn a lot though.   ;D
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      Reply #899: Apr 06, 2020 12:40:28 pm
      Owners may not deserve it but us supporters who have waited so long should not let a lack of judgement from the club deny us our title..

      The players deserve it too.
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      Reply #900: Apr 06, 2020 12:41:26 pm
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52181757

      Premier League players are set to start negotiations on a club-by-club basis over proposed wage cuts.

      It comes after talks aimed at a collective pay deal in response to the coronavirus crisis broke down without resolution over the weekend.

      The Premier League proposed a 30% pay cut, but the Professional Footballers' Association says that may harm the NHS.

      The row has escalated into one of the most serious disputes between players and clubs in the league's history.

      The government has said it expects the football authorities to "come together with an agreement urgently."

      Writing in Monday's Telegraph, the culture secretary Oliver Dowden said "the deadlock between the PFA and the Premier League clubs on players' wage cuts is deeply concerning."

      "Clubs, players and owners should be thinking very carefully about their next steps," he wrote.

      "It's especially important that a disagreement over players' wages doesn't undermine all the good work that sport - including football - is doing to help the government's efforts to tackle coronavirus."

      On Saturday the Premier League told senior players that a pay cut was required because the clubs faced losses of more than £1bn if the season could not be resumed.

      But with players rejecting a league-wide proposal, they are now expected to ask their own clubs to explain more about the specifics of their finances before accepting any cuts or deferrals.

      Some clubs are hoping that if executives and coaches accept pay cuts, it could help persuade players - who earn an average of £3.5m a year in the Premier League - to do the same by the end of the week.

      What has happened so far?

      Health secretary Matt Hancock was among the leading politicians calling for players to take a pay cut and "play their part."

      The league wants players to take a 30% salary cut in order to "protect employment throughout the professional game".

      But the union says that equates to more than £500m in wage reductions over 12 months, and a loss in tax contributions of more than £200m to the UK government.

      As part of the proposals, the Premier League would advance £125m to the English Football League (EFL) and National League, and give £20m towards the NHS.

      The PFA says it is happy to continue talks with the Premier League but called on the league to increase its charitable donation and long-term funding of the EFL. Players are understood to be wary of agreeing pay cuts that would help billionaire owners save money which may subsequently be spent on transfers.

      Top-flight professionals have been coming under increasing pressure to take a drop in pay, especially with five Premier League clubs - Liverpool, Newcastle, Tottenham, Bournemouth and Norwich - now placing some non-playing staff on furlough leave under the government's coronavirus job retention scheme.

      Premier League leaders Liverpool have faced criticism from former players and fans for furloughing non-playing staff.

      However, clubs themselves are understood to have financial concerns, with Burnley saying on Saturday they faced a shortfall of £50m if the Premier League season was not completed.

      The PFA said all Premier League players "will play their part in making significant financial contributions in these unprecedented times".

      Captains of Premier League clubs, led by Liverpool's Jordan Henderson, have been in talks over a plan to make charitable donations.

      England defender Danny Rose - on loan at Newcastle from Tottenham - said that players were keen to give up a portion of their wages to help good causes, but felt their "backs are against the wall" regarding the pressure they had faced to accept cuts.

      While Derby striker Wayne Rooney has said players are in a "no-win situation".

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      Reply #901: Apr 06, 2020 12:45:21 pm
      FIFA to extend 2019-20 football indefinitely


      Simon Hughes (The Athletic)

      FIFA is to confirm an indefinite extension to the 2019-20 season across the globe, allowing each country’s football authority to determine when campaigns can finish.

      The game’s world governing body will also alter the dates of the summer transfer window and permit contract extensions for players whose deals run out on June 30.

      The plans, which are likely to be revealed in the next 48 hours, will afford maximum flexibility with FIFA appreciating the spread of coronavirus is different in each country. This comes after UEFA last week committed to finishing the current season and was moved to deny a report that its own president, Aleksander Ceferin, had set a deadline of August 3 to complete all outstanding games.

      While the decision from the highest authority in football does not take null and void off the table, it considerably reduces the chances of seasons being cancelled altogether. The planned announcement was greeted by one Premier League club as “really sensible”, with it removing the pressure to conclude the season at a time when the world is dealing with a pandemic.

      The Athletic understands timeframes were not discussed at great length in Friday’s meeting between Premier League clubs. There are significant fears that the 20 sides may yet need to repay £762 million to broadcasters should the season not be completed, with The Athletic revealing last week that the determination to finish the campaign even led to one idea of taking games to China.

      Insiders at a number of clubs say a reality seems to have finally dawned over the past week that, while ideas can be formulated for different scenarios around scheduling, until the outbreak passes over the top of the curve nobody will really be able to plan with confidence.

      While some Premier League clubs accept that there might be no option other than to resume seasons behind closed doors or even at neutral grounds in other “safe” countries, other clubs believe football should only return when fans are able to enter stadiums.

      It is on this battleground that the next debate in England is likely to be had, especially as some Football League clubs are concerned about extending contracts if there is no clear date for a return to football, knowing that they will have to carry out paying money with no signs of standard streams of income in that period.


      The situation with football contracts is a complex one, as The Athletic’s Matt Slater explained. One manager of an EFL club told The Athletic over the weekend that he has 13 players out of contract in June and 10 of those contracts are unlikely to be renewed.

      Some of his concerns related to the focus of his team and therefore the integrity of the league, considering he would have to ask a number of players to perform for him when they know they might not have jobs in the near future.

      He was also worried about the length of the next transfer window, questioning whether it would be long enough for him to sign enough players to be able to register a squad for the 2020-21 season.

      The Premier League summer transfer window is due to end on September 1 at 5pm and the EFL announced in February an “agreement in principle” to return to a traditional deadline day at the end of August.

      The Athletic also revealed how the Premier League’s hopes of striking a deal to secure 30 per cent wage deductions or deferrals from players were in peril on Saturday night as footballers became increasingly concerned that agreements may benefit club ownerships more than non-playing staff or the emergency services. Discussions are expected to resume this week.

       
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      Reply #902: Apr 06, 2020 12:48:38 pm
      Owners may not deserve it but us supporters who have waited so long should not let a lack of judgement from the club deny us our title..

      This is the difficult bit. A valid argument too as how can you punish players, fans & staff based on a decision made by corporate management that probably consist of half a dozen wankers sat round a table.
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      Reply #903: Apr 06, 2020 12:49:43 pm
      Owners may not deserve it but us supporters who have waited so long should not let a lack of judgement from the club deny us our title..

      It would be hollow for me..

      For me I want things right from top to bottom. By your logic it's like saying, well we as fans deserve it so I dont care what we have to do to achieve that.
      Bribe,cheat, breaking deep and distinct principles of the club are the all the same to me

      For what's ultimately such a small amount of money for the club to cover its opened a horrible feeling for me

      I'd rather they have said

      We are going to pay all our staff until this is over, because loyalty is a big thing for us. Even if it maybe hampers us in the transfer market we will cover this for our Lfc family

      But no.. greedy capitalist cu*ts

      So yeah, I've waited 30 years for this but it will have a bitter taste attached now and I wouldn't give a F**k if it was cancelled
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      Reply #904: Apr 06, 2020 02:38:55 pm
      It would be hollow for me..

      For me I want things right from top to bottom. By your logic it's like saying, well we as fans deserve it so I dont care what we have to do to achieve that.
      Bribe,cheat, breaking deep and distinct principles of the club are the all the same to me

      For what's ultimately such a small amount of money for the club to cover its opened a horrible feeling for me

      I'd rather they have said

      We are going to pay all our staff until this is over, because loyalty is a big thing for us. Even if it maybe hampers us in the transfer market we will cover this for our Lfc family

      But no.. greedy capitalist cu*ts

      So yeah, I've waited 30 years for this but it will have a bitter taste attached now and I wouldn't give a f**k if it was cancelled

      I’m sorry you feel that way mate, I just can’t, I believe it’s unfair to penalise those who have no control on the decision making of the club...

      Would accept the title after knowing LFC hacked Man City scouting computers and had to pay a over £1 million in fines...?

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      Reply #905: Apr 06, 2020 02:39:04 pm
      No.. not in my opinion. I spend my life defending the morals and ethics of this club to other pricks. Then the club make a decision like this? Well f**k them..
      The club is more than the management and ownership though right? I didn't grow up a supporter like you and many others, only came to this about 15 years ago, but what I've learned following and supporting this club is that no matter what ownership has done or decided, the supporters of this club make it what it is. I mean this club was built on a socialist ideology and has traditionally always identified in that way, regardless of some terrible ownership and some questionable managers. The club isn't the owners, and while they've certainly gotten this furlough thing completely wrong and you may not think they deserve to take part in any celebration of a title....there are many people in the club besides them that DO deserve to take part in a title and it would be unthinkable for them to not get that chance. From Klopp to the players to the staff that all make Melwood and Anfield run right down to the supporters that make the club move from buying tickets to matches, traveling to games and buying merchandise.

      Maybe I'm short-sighted but that's how I see it. You shouldn't punish yourself because of something stupid that the owners have done. Speak out, be pissed off, I get that...but you as much as anyone should get to enjoy it when we finally get the title for this season.




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      Reply #906: Apr 06, 2020 02:42:26 pm
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52173869

      England men's manager Gareth Southgate and women's boss Phil Neville are to take a 30% pay cut to their salaries as two of the Football Association's highest earning employees.

      Southgate earns £3m a year while Neville reportedly earns up to £300,000 as head coach of the Lionesses.

      Chief executive Mark Bullingham said it was "challenging times" and did not "take these decisions lightly."

      The government's furlough scheme is being looked at as a contingency plan.

      The FA said employees earning £50,000 or more a year will take a temporary pay reduction of 7.5%, while senior management agreed a 15% cut.

      Bullingham also said the financial impact of postponements including England international fixtures, FA Cup matches and Wembley events will contribute to a loss of about £100m, but it could increase to £150m depending on "the government's necessary medical measures."

      Bullingham, who earns about £800,000 a year, added: "Along with many other organisations across the country, we are currently reviewing our financial model during this challenging period.

      "We want to take prudent and appropriate steps to help protect and support the FA and our employees during this unpredictable time."

      Meanwhile, West Ham boss "The Chosen One" has told the Premier League club he is willing to a take a pay cut due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

      Bournemouth's Eddie Howe and Brighton's Graham Potter have already volunteered for a cut in salary as clubs try to find a way of limiting their losses amid games being suspended.
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      Reply #907: Apr 06, 2020 02:48:00 pm
      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sports/football/liverpool-uefa-president-aleksander-ceferin-offers-new-hope-of-premier-league-title-win/ar-BB12dVKq

      Liverpool are all but certain to be crowned Premier League champions no matter how the 2019-20 campaign is finished, according to Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin.

      The coronavirus crisis has postponed the majority of European football indefinitely, with organisers scrambling to find a way to complete the season.

      Liverpool enjoyed a 25-point lead at the top of the table and required just two wins to secure their first domestic league title in 30 years before the Premier League was suspended on 13 March.

      In meetings of Premier League stakeholders, some top-flight clubs have argued in favour of voiding the 2019-20 season, which could deny Jürgen Klopp’s side the crown.

      Ceferin warned last week that the current season would “probably be lost” if play has not resumed by the end of June.

      But the head of European football’s governing body believes that, even then, Liverpool’s long wait to be Premier League champions would end.

      “I can’t see a way Liverpool could be left without a title,” he told EkipaSN, a sports newspaper in his native Slovenia. “Theoretically it’s not all over, but practically Liverpool are on the verge of it.

      “If it could not be played, it would still be necessary to announce the results in some way and then the champions should be determined.

      “And of course, again I do not see a scenario in which that would not be Liverpool. I understand that fans will be disappointed if it happens in an empty stadium or even at a table, but I believe they will win the title in one way or another.”

      The Premier League said last week that play would only restart once it is “safe and appropriate”, with discussions ongoing as to how to complete the remaining 92 fixtures.
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      Reply #908: Apr 06, 2020 02:59:27 pm
      Some very interesting debates given what the corporates have done to your club. They obviously don't know the meaning of YNWA.
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      Reply #909: Apr 06, 2020 06:23:18 pm
      The summer transfer window will be moved and contracts ending on 30 June will be extended for a short period under proposals agreed by football's major stakeholders.

      BBC Sport understands talks initiated by world governing body Fifa and including confederations, federations, clubs, players and leagues have reached agreement over a number of issues arising out of the Covid-19 pandemic.

      All parties now accept that completing the 2019-20 season by 30 June, as initially hoped, will not happen.

      Aleksander Ceferin, president of European governing body Uefa, has spoken of the campaign being concluded in August, but with domestic leagues and cups, plus European competitions to fit in, there is no guarantee of that given football across the continent remains suspended.

      As the crisis is global, agreement has been reached that contracts due to expire on dates before the expected end of this season, do so when it actually ends instead, with new deals beginning before the 2020-21 campaign eventually begins.

      New dates for the transfer window - which had been moved back to 1 September in England - will be sanctioned by Fifa providing they fall between the two seasons, with the organisation pledging to try to harmonise the dates as much as possible so clubs and leagues are not unfairly disrupted.

      Fifa has also urged clubs to protect jobs if at all possible, including pay cuts and deferrals, and the use of government schemes.

      If asked to settle disputes, Fifa will, among other things, assess whether there has been a genuine attempt to find a resolution, what the economic status of the club concerned is, the net income of the players and whether the players have been treated fairly.

      While it is accepted this advice is for guidance only and could be challenged legally, all parties hope it will be accepted in the spirit the contracts were agreed in the first place.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52188913
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      Reply #910: Apr 06, 2020 07:19:35 pm
      Stick the players in a compound in London somewhere, screen all of them first and then if needs be play 3 games a week in a few empty stadiums at different times.

      Tv audiences would be off the scale.

      Why?

      We train and play in Liverpool, not F***ing London!!
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      Reply #911: Apr 06, 2020 07:21:49 pm
      Some very interesting debates given what the corporates have done to your club. They obviously don't know the meaning of YNWA.

      They never have!

      Difference is though we give them a rocket up the arse and they do tend to listen. That walkout over the £77 tickets was a massive win for the fans and showed this lot whenever a decision they make we disagree with, we will kick up a stink.
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      Reply #912: Apr 06, 2020 07:57:46 pm
      Why?

      We train and play in Liverpool, not f**king London!!

      It would be the practicalities of ferrying players up and down the country, best to have them all in a central location.
      No fans would be allowed in so makes no difference, one empty stadium is the same as another.
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      Reply #913: Apr 06, 2020 08:17:10 pm
      They never have!

      Difference is though we give them a rocket up the arse and they do tend to listen. That walkout over the £77 tickets was a massive win for the fans and showed this lot whenever a decision they make we disagree with, we will kick up a stink.

      Quite rightly too. That's 3 big u turns they've had to do now. You'd think that they would of learned their lesson by now. Never had time for corporates and never will, cu*ts the lot of them
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      Reply #914: Apr 06, 2020 09:09:42 pm
      It would be the practicalities of ferrying players up and down the country, best to have them all in a central location.
      No fans would be allowed in so makes no difference, one empty stadium is the same as another.


      Again let's wait until all decisions are made, if like the Indy was hinting at that the lockdown could be over by May, we could all be back at Anfield celebrating the league.

      Would rather have that in all honesty.
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      Reply #915: Apr 06, 2020 10:10:47 pm
      Some very interesting debates given what the corporates have done to your club. 

      Stones and Greenhouses .......what have the Glazers done for your club ?
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      Reply #916: Apr 06, 2020 10:16:39 pm
      Stones and Greenhouses .......what have the Glazers done for your club ?

      You still got a gripe Miro? I'm not changing subject just so you can have a slanging match. Stay safe.
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      Reply #917: Apr 07, 2020 01:28:12 pm
      Spain La Liga have suggested May 28th as one of three potential starting dates for the league season.

      They also say that teams in their top division could lose €1bn if the season was cancelled - similar to the kinds of figures that Premier League mentioned.
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      Reply #918: Apr 07, 2020 04:09:23 pm
      Again let's wait until all decisions are made, if like the Indy was hinting at that the lockdown could be over by May, we could all be back at Anfield celebrating the league.

      Would rather have that in all honesty.

      I can't see 50,000+ people filling a stadium within a month and a half. The lockdown may be over by then but there'll almost certainly be additional measures still in place. I think it could be mid summer at the very, very earliest before we have large scale events going ahead

      Personally I'd rather wait until stadiums are packed before we resume. Wether that be in 3, 6 or 9 months time. When we win the title I want us to do it properly in front of a packed crowd & then be able to parade it in front of 100s of thousands in the city. Sewing it up at the earliest opportunity behind closed doors would be sh*te. Bars might not even be open by then!
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      Reply #919: Apr 07, 2020 04:25:47 pm
      It would be pretty F***ing funny with everyone gobbing off about voiding the season if the league got completed but the Champions League was cancelled. Therefore we end the season as English and European champions as well as another 2 seasons of being champions of the world.

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