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      Club Furlough Staff (Now Reversed)

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      Reply #230: Apr 07, 2020 06:45:51 pm
      correct it was always going to be corrected ,  all the haters are trying to make an issue out of this.  , it’s been sorted let’s get behind the lads , and enjoy picking up the premier league champions trophy , first of    many.    Can’t wait to get the season under way

      It wasnt always going to be corrected.. not at all.. because if so why do it in the first place? That makes no sense does it?

      Let's make this decision that will get is slaughtered all round including by our own fans but we will reverse it in a few days even if no one says anything about it... yeah?

      Ridiculous opinion

      Its f**k all to do with being a hater, its about understanding the history and heritage of our club and city.. i suggest you use this down time to do some reading lad
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      Reply #231: Apr 07, 2020 06:54:35 pm
      It wasnt always going to be corrected.. not at all.. because if so why do it in the first place? That makes no sense does it?

      Let's make this decision that will get is slaughtered all round including by our own fans but we will reverse it in a few days even if no one says anything about it... yeah?

      Ridiculous opinion

      Its f**k all to do with being a hater, its about understanding the history and heritage of our club and city.. i suggest you use this down time to do some reading lad


      Well said
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      Reply #232: Apr 07, 2020 08:16:37 pm
      They've been better than most and they got us Klopp.

      Perversely we could say the original Furlough decision made a lot of fans from certain clubs stop banging on about null and voiding the season for a couple of days!!
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      Reply #233: Apr 07, 2020 08:24:50 pm
      I remember many on here saying how wonderfull our owners are...to quote a certain Liverpool fan ....my arse

      They put a shovel in the ground though didn’t they
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      Reply #234: Apr 07, 2020 08:31:16 pm
      They put a shovel in the ground though didn’t they


      They built a stand purely for the corporate £££££££'s nothing else!!
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      Reply #235: Apr 07, 2020 08:49:18 pm
      They built a stand purely for the corporate £££££££'s nothing else!!

      They’ve invested millions of their dollars in the club, of course they are looking for returns. People seem to be very forgetful of where this club was before they came along. They’ve added Long term financial stability, invested in facilities, given the manager autonomy to go after who he likes, backed him in the transfer market and we’re seeing results on the pitch. We could have it much worse off.
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      Reply #236: Apr 07, 2020 08:55:58 pm
      They’ve invested millions of their dollars in the club, of course they are looking for returns. People seem to be very forgetful of where this club was before they came along. They’ve added Long term financial stability, invested in facilities, given the manager autonomy to go after who he likes, backed him in the transfer market and we’re seeing results on the pitch. We could have it much worse off.

      Or on the flip side

      We spend what we generate
      They got us for a significantly reduced price which was too good to turn down

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      Reply #237: Apr 07, 2020 09:38:48 pm
      The fans rightly so made a stand against the owners when they tried to raise the ticket prices to £77. Who knows what the price of the tickets would have been by now !
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      Reply #238: Apr 07, 2020 10:02:07 pm
      And whenever the footy starts up we'll be 2 wins from the title,stop with the look back and whine sh*te.
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      Reply #239: Apr 07, 2020 10:09:59 pm
      And whenever the footy starts up we'll be 2 wins from the title,stop with the look back and whine sh*te.

      Ying and yang

      Just because on the surface everything is going well for you, you shouldn't forget to remember the past

      If you do then it easy for people to pull the wool over your eyes again

      Look the owners have fu**ed up ... again it's on them, if they keep F***ing up then people will keep reminding them of it.
      Best way for people to not bring up the past? Stop keep F***ing up
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      Reply #240: Apr 07, 2020 10:18:35 pm
      OK look to the past then and look past fsg,wasn't always a socialist paradise,they didn't buy and tin up the streets around Anfield.I'm not sure your socialist caring vision of Liverpool f.c has ever really existed,has it?
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      Reply #241: Apr 07, 2020 10:20:29 pm
      Not sure really what you're getting at?
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      Reply #242: Apr 07, 2020 10:28:10 pm
      Not sure really what you're getting at?
       

      Well your pushing of old LFC as being some kind of caring socialist organization,that these capitalist yanks will never be.Well when was it.Shankly was always banging heads with the board,before that? After Shanks?
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      Reply #243: Apr 08, 2020 03:26:09 am
      And whenever the footy starts up we'll be 2 wins from the title,stop with the look back and whine sh*te.
      . Great point , move on
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      Reply #244: Apr 08, 2020 05:00:17 am
      The battle is won so time to move on now.

      There will be more schemes from this lot to come, but for now time to put it to bed.
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      Reply #245: Apr 08, 2020 07:43:02 am
       

      Well your pushing of old LFC as being some kind of caring socialist organization,that these capitalist yanks will never be.Well when was it.Shankly was always banging heads with the board,before that? After Shanks?

      I'm not sure it's a wise argument for you to get into about whether Liverpool as a city or a club is inherently socialist.. especially just to defend your countrymen

      As FOAR says

      The battle is won so time to move on now.

      There will be more schemes from this lot to come, but for now time to put it to bed.

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      Reply #246: Apr 08, 2020 10:15:43 am
      They've been better than most and they got us Klopp. Yes, they make mistakes but at least they correct them when the fans tell them they're wrong.

      No owners are ever perfect and FSG certainly aren't, but looking at where we are right now - world champions, European champions and soon to be English champions - they're clearly one of the best.

      You reading this Keith ?
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      Reply #247: Apr 08, 2020 10:51:36 am
      True, but I highly doubt it was anyone senior at the club that made the decision.

      I'd bet this was some HR type management bod who is supposed to be in charge of the lower level employees.
      It'd be an insane amount of micro-management by someone senior.

      So although a shitty decision by whoever made it, at least it got overturned, and yes, that was down to the fan base.

      Really not trying to get into any arguments here but you know that's not true, Swab.

      F***ing Graeme from HR ay? First the £77 tickets and now this.
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      Reply #248: Apr 08, 2020 12:28:08 pm
      Really not trying to get into any arguments here but you know that's not true, Swab.

      F***ing Graeme from HR ay? First the £77 tickets and now this.

      250 employees mate.

      The top bods look at overview, strategy etc

      Lower down, there's other people to look after those 250 people, their hours, employment contracts, admin etc

      How many Directors of such a huge organisation do you know who get involved with that stuff?

      Worst case is Moore signed off on it, without really thinking it through.

      Not trying to excuse anyone here, as far as I'm concerned, they have a collective responsibility, but it's telling that Moore was the one who apologised.

      Ticket prices are a different matter entirely.

      John Henry isn't sat in Boston thinking about the ground staffs wages, and how to save what amounts to (for him) pennies.
      That's all I'm saying.

      No excuses, no passing the buck, it's just to me, this isn't a Director level matter.

      From experience I know how some junior managers think; "OK, the government pay 80% of their wages, we'll pay the other 20%, everyone's happy."
      If Moore signed off on it, that's the F**k up right there.

      Yeah, I know I've probably thought about this too much, but it's lockdown and I'm F***ing bored.
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      Reply #249: Apr 08, 2020 12:31:40 pm
      250 employees mate.

      The top bods look at overview, strategy etc

      Lower down, there's other people to look after those 250 people, their hours, employment contracts, admin etc

      How many Directors of such a huge organisation do you know who get involved with that stuff?

      Worst case is Moore signed off on it, without really thinking it through.

      Not trying to excuse anyone here, as far as I'm concerned, they have a collective responsibility, but it's telling that Moore was the one who apologised.

      Ticket prices are a different matter entirely.

      John Henry isn't sat in Boston thinking about the ground staffs wages, and how to save what amounts to (for him) pennies.
      That's all I'm saying.

      No excuses, no passing the buck, it's just to me, this isn't a Director level matter.

      From experience I know how some junior managers think; "OK, the government pay 80% of their wages, we'll pay the other 20%, everyone's happy."
      If Moore signed off on it, that's the f**k up right there.

      Yeah, I know I've probably thought about this too much, but it's lockdown and I'm f**king bored.

      Can't agree. A decision like this would come from the ceo and ratified by fsg.
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      Reply #250: Apr 08, 2020 12:37:14 pm
      Can't agree. A decision like this would come from the ceo and ratified by fsg.

      Moore is the CEO.

      Like I said, if he signed off on it, that's the F**k up right there.

      But I don't think that a CEO running a business as large as Liverpool FC micro-manages to that degree.
      If he did, he'd never sleep.
      The sheer volume of paperwork crossing his desk would be enormous.

      Even an SME like I ran generates a huge amount of paperwork, and if you don't delegate it, you'd never leave the office.
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      Reply #251: Apr 08, 2020 12:58:39 pm
      Moore is the CEO.

      Like I said, if he signed off on it, that's the f**k up right there.

      But I don't think that a CEO running a business as large as Liverpool FC micro-manages to that degree.
      If he did, he'd never sleep.
      The sheer volume of paperwork crossing his desk would be enormous.

      Even an SME like I ran generates a huge amount of paperwork, and if you don't delegate it, you'd never leave the office.

      The nature of the decision would be done at an executive level. It's not to say that people below him had discussed it but I find it hard to believe the buck didn't stop with him. The decision to close my office couldn't be taken by our coo until it get okayed by some Whitehall mandarin
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      Reply #252: Apr 08, 2020 12:59:14 pm
      Nah is it f**k, they wore out that goodwill sh*te after the £77 ticket fiasco, I'm sick of seeing the PR sh*te like This Means More and all that family crap from them. What's worse is the gullible section of our support who swallow their PR sh*te whole because they supposedly saved the club!!

      End of the day Huyton, Business is business. Not sure if you do, or ever have run your own business, or have been instrumental in helping run someone else's business, but figures and spreadsheets are a very cold aspect of it all, with very little compassion. It's all about the bottom line, and it's your job to make that as big as possible.  Start being compassionate, and making continued losses, BOOM, end of business, and no job !
      Surely, suuuuurly you understand that. Once you get past the emotion of the game, the love of your club, or the love of the players. The passion of the crowd, the goals the celebrations, the trophies etc. Its a numbers game, whichever way you turn it, PROFIT is the name of the game, not CHARITY.

      Regardless of what has gone before, the club is in a good place at the mo, and the people who are responsible for that, are the people in their respective current positions within.
      You need to enjoy what we have got, and how good it can get, even though the road to success doesn't seem to sit right with you at the moment.

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