Reds back in training

Day 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3IXlpFNzI

Full contact training videos up today. A nice bit with Sadio, Bobby and Mo combining for strikes past living, breathing goalkeepers.

Is this meant as a sign of respect to George Floyd or as a protest, if its a protest then what exactly is it a protest about seeing as the police officer has already been charged with murder? I sometimes feel the virtue signallers lose sight of their original argument, much like the "peaceful" protesters in America.

What happened to George Floyd was absolutely tragic and the police officer has rightly been charged with murder, but from what I have read it seems to be a case of police brutality more than racism. I simply do not believe that the US police forces are institutionally racist. That doesn't mean there aren't some very bad apples, unfortunately you'll find that in all countries, but the facts simply don't back up the racist angle. There are for example far more whites killed by police in the US than blacks, even per capita I think, and of course there are 10's of thousands of BAME police officers on the force.

I think the only conclusion is that the US is a very violent country and what needs to be addressed is police brutality and methods rather than perceived institutional racism.

Is this meant as a sign of respect to George Floyd or as a protest, if its a protest then what exactly is it a protest about seeing as the police officer has already been charged with murder? I sometimes feel the virtue signallers lose sight of their original argument, much like the "peaceful" protesters in America.

What happened to George Floyd was absolutely tragic and the police officer has rightly been charged with murder, but from what I have read it seems to be a case of police brutality more than racism. I simply do not believe that the US police forces are institutionally racist. That doesn't mean there aren't some very bad apples, unfortunately you'll find that in all countries, but the facts simply don't back up the racist angle. There are for example far more whites killed by police in the US than blacks, even per capita I think, and of course there are 10's of thousands of BAME police officers on the force.

I think the only conclusion is that the US is a very violent country and what needs to be addressed is police brutality and methods rather than perceived institutional racism.

I was reading your diatribe and I thought to myself this could only come from you. Scrolled up and there was my confirmation.

Every statistic you can think of backs up the idea that the police in the USA and here in the UK is institutionally racist.

In 2019 data of all police killings in the US compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death.

Most states’ police forces killed black people at a higher rate per capita than white people, with Illinois, New York and Washington D.C. carrying some of the largest discrepancies by state. D.C., with a black population of nearly 50 percent, had 88 percent of all police killings be against black Americans. That's a discrepancy of over 38 percentage points

Saying the facts don't back up the racist angle then making up a fact that you only think is right, but is actually completely wrong isn't good enough for this discussion. Your facts are wrong and as such your opinion which you hold based on your fake facts is worthless.

Most states’ police forces killed black people at a higher rate per capita than white people, with Illinois, New York and Washington D.C. carrying some of the largest discrepancies by state. D.C., with a black population of nearly 50 percent, had 88 percent of all police killings be against black Americans. That's a discrepancy of over 38 percentage points

Do you have the stats on the %age split of violent crime committed?
If I’m sat at home all night whilst you are out committing violent crime you are 100% more likely to be shot by the police than I am.
Your stat is only relevant if crime is being committed in equal numbers

I was reading your diatribe and I thought to myself this could only come from you. Scrolled up and there was my confirmation.

Every statistic you can think of backs up the idea that the police in the USA and here in the UK is institutionally racist.

In 2019 data of all police killings in the US compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death.

Most states’ police forces killed black people at a higher rate per capita than white people, with Illinois, New York and Washington D.C. carrying some of the largest discrepancies by state. D.C., with a black population of nearly 50 percent, had 88 percent of all police killings be against black Americans. That's a discrepancy of over 38 percentage points

Saying the facts don't back up the racist angle then making up a fact that you only think is right, but is actually completely wrong isn't good enough for this discussion. Your facts are wrong and as such your opinion which you hold based on your fake facts is worthless.

I didn't make up a fact, its just that you and I view the stats differently or perhaps I read/heard some incorrect stats. I'm more than happy to be corrected if I'm wrong but accusing me of making things up is not very helpful to the discussion nor is saying that I went on a diatribe, why not try to have a constructive argument instead of attacking all the time?
BTW what are the stats for crimes committed by blacks versus white, I think that is needed for context. In my post I didn't say that there was not a big problem in the US, there clearly is a very very big problem, I'm just not convinced that the police force is institutionally racist, I think its a problem of excessive force and some very bad apples, more needs to be done to combat that.

Teh fundamental point though is that this is a US problem and they have to sort it out themselves, I have absolutely no idea why there are marches in the UK that end up in violence outside Downing Street, what do they hope to achieve, apart from catching Covid-19?

The issue here is should sport be making gestures or staging photo protests. It's a very tricky area. My own view is sport is sport and as such it should be left to others to make protest gestures.

Players as individuals have their own right to protest same as any other individuals obviously.

The issue here is should sport be making gestures or staging photo protests. It's a very tricky area. My own view is sport is sport and as such it should be left to others to make protest gestures.

Players as individuals have their own right to protest same as any other individuals obviously.

Sport has become political though hasnt it already?

From rainbow laces to kick it out and all the other stuff. The only difference here is that this is a stance that hasnt been agreed by the FAs or Fifa. No harm in that for me.

Sport has become political though hasnt it already?

From rainbow laces to kick it out and all the other stuff. The only difference here is that this is a stance that hasnt been agreed by the FAs or Fifa. No harm in that for me.

No..no harm done and it was with the best of intentions. Maybe yes in relation to "kick it out" it was acceptable. Thanks.

So.....I hear the Reds are back in training.


Not commenting on any viewpoints expressed above, just saying there are multiple threads on this site for debating politics, culture, society, etc. - can we keep one board or at least a thread or two for just the football?

I think we are in pre-season because we will play last games two weeks off and start again.

I think we are in pre-season because we will play last games two weeks off and start again.

Yes. They want to end by final week in July, correct? Charity Shield this season was August 4 and league opener August 9. Do they even need to wait two weeks?

UEFA is finishing their knockout competitions in August at the same time the preliminary rounds for the 20-21 campaigns go on, is that correct?

Yes. They want to end by final week in July, correct? Charity Shield this season was August 4 and league opener August 9. Do they even need to wait two weeks?

UEFA is finishing their knockout competitions in August at the same time the preliminary rounds for the 20-21 campaigns go on, is that correct?

Players had enough rest this season

Players had enough rest this season

Seriously, they are making millions per season, they should be sprinting on and off the park before and after matches. 

So.....I hear the Reds are back in training.


Not commenting on any viewpoints expressed above, just saying there are multiple threads on this site for debating politics, culture, society, etc. - can we keep one board or at least a thread or two for just the football?

   

I posted the photo here cos it was taken at a training session,i posted the same photo in various other threads,didn't comment cos i figured  it was something we as Liverpool fans should all be backing,guess that was wrong?

   

I posted the photo here cos it was taken at a training session,i posted the same photo in various other threads,didn't comment cos i figured  it was something we as Liverpool fans should all be backing,guess that was wrong?

No you're not wrong, I feel deep sympathy for Mr Floyd, I'm sure everyone on here does, what happened to him was absolutely terrible and the police officer was rightly charged with murder.

My point was just that its more a case of police brutality rather than systemic racism, but something has to be done in the US to combat this, it happens far to often.

   

I posted the photo here cos it was taken at a training session,i posted the same photo in various other threads,didn't comment cos i figured  it was something we as Liverpool fans should all be backing,guess that was wrong?

No. I have no problem with the photo being posted. It was, as you say, taken during training. No problem with that at all.

The repeat of the debate I've been hearing nonstop for 10 days in all forums, that's what I was mentioning, and again, not as a statement for or against any view expressed, just asking for our commentary here to be kept to football since those debates are already going on elsewhere on the boards.

Yes. They want to end by final week in July, correct? Charity Shield this season was August 4 and league opener August 9. Do they even need to wait two weeks?

UEFA is finishing their knockout competitions in August at the same time the preliminary rounds for the 20-21 campaigns go on, is that correct?

No it's not. The qualifiers can't start until the current campaigns end. Someone might just need that European Cup spot after winning the UEFA Cup. Which has a knock on effect for everyone else. If it's an English team, obviously we can't face them in the group phase, so we have to face someone else from somewhere else in somewhere else.

We're probably looking at two months of a break rather then two weeks. The club seasons have to finish, the European season then has to finish, then those in Europe need their break, while the fixture list has to be drawn up. It's more likely to be an October start at the earliest.

No it's not. The qualifiers can't start until the current campaigns end. Someone might just need that European Cup spot after winning the UEFA Cup. Which has a knock on effect for everyone else. If it's an English team, obviously we can't face them in the group phase, so we have to face someone else from somewhere else in somewhere else.

We're probably looking at two months of a break rather then two weeks. The club seasons have to finish, the European season then has to finish, then those in Europe need their break, while the fixture list has to be drawn up. It's more likely to be an October start at the earliest.

Why can't the European season finish at the same time as club seasons? Remember that a lot of countries have cancelled their leagues already. I think it will be a fairly short break between this season and next, more like a winter break otherwise players will not need to get up to fitness yet again.

No you're not wrong, I feel deep sympathy for Mr Floyd, I'm sure everyone on here does, what happened to him was absolutely terrible and the police officer was rightly charged with murder.

My point was just that its more a case of police brutality rather than systemic racism, but something has to be done in the US to combat this, it happens far to often.

 

Of course it's systematic racism,the cops are the lowest level of it,the stormtroopers if ya like.If i was black there's no way i'd live here.Any way we're not talking about that any practice games coming up?

No it's not. The qualifiers can't start until the current campaigns end. Someone might just need that European Cup spot after winning the UEFA Cup. Which has a knock on effect for everyone else. If it's an English team, obviously we can't face them in the group phase, so we have to face someone else from somewhere else in somewhere else.

We're probably looking at two months of a break rather then two weeks. The club seasons have to finish, the European season then has to finish, then those in Europe need their break, while the fixture list has to be drawn up. It's more likely to be an October start at the earliest.

I am familiar with the normal format, but this coming season will not be normal. It will take some major tweaking for sure, but I bet they do not wait until October. And I don't think they will hold up the whole thing so some team from Albania and some team from Malta have a proper break before they play their qualifying round, the first of four or five before the group stages. They will arrange something else - too much money involved. Teams that don't get to participate in those rounds will probably get a little something for their trouble.

I am familiar with the normal format, but this coming season will not be normal. It will take some major tweaking for sure, but I bet they do not wait until October. And I don't think they will hold up the whole thing so some team from Albania and some team from Malta have a proper break before they play their qualifying round, the first of four or five before the group stages. They will arrange something else - too much money involved. Teams that don't get to participate in those rounds will probably get a little something for their trouble.

I said the EPL starting in October next season. Otherwise you're expecting the EPL teams playing in Europe in August to start playing a new EPL season after they go out of Europe with no break. I don't think they will accept that demand, so I can't see the new EPL season starting before October.

Many winter seasons are now resuming. The EPL will be the last to do so. So the European slots from our league won't all be filled until the end of July, possibly August if the cup winner gets a spot. Some of those spots are just for qualifying rounds as it is. So you can't start playing the new qualifying rounds until all the current competitions are completed. Then there's the City situation thrown in, and how that affects things.

It's nothing to do with money. The European games simply cannot begin until everyone knows where they stand, how many European slots they have, what qualifying rounds they enter in, and we may not know that until after both of the European competitions for the current season are decided.

We're fortunate to know where we stand for Europe next season, but many others don't atm.

I said the EPL starting in October next season. Otherwise you're expecting the EPL teams playing in Europe in August to start playing a new EPL season after they go out of Europe with no break. I don't think they will accept that demand, so I can't see the new EPL season starting before October.

Many winter seasons are now resuming. The EPL will be the last to do so. So the European slots from our league won't all be filled until the end of July, possibly August if the cup winner gets a spot. Some of those spots are just for qualifying rounds as it is. So you can't start playing the new qualifying rounds until all the current competitions are completed. Then there's the City situation thrown in, and how that affects things.

It's nothing to do with money. The European games simply cannot begin until everyone knows where they stand, how many European slots they have, what qualifying rounds they enter in, and we may not know that until after both of the European competitions for the current season are decided.

We're fortunate to know where we stand for Europe next season, but many others don't atm.

The EPL will not wait until October, two full months after finishing this season, so that a small group of teams can play out their remaining UEFA matches. These are typically played concurrently anyway, so why should it be any different?

I'll grant you the start of the qualifying rounds for the 2020-21 European competitions may need to be pushed back for the current domestic seasons to be completed (qualifiers normally would have begun on June 23!), but this won't affect domestic schedules except for four clubs Europe wide (the finalists). All matches except the final are played midweek anyway (and even that could change for this one season).

Then the group stage matches for the two Euro competitions will probably have a slightly later start date, but it should all be caught up by the end of the calendar year. Fixture lists will be crowded for sure, but taking a two month break after finishing these final nine matches wouldn't make any sense at all.

I am familiar with the normal format, but this coming season will not be normal. It will take some major tweaking for sure, but I bet they do not wait until October. And I don't think they will hold up the whole thing so some team from Albania and some team from Malta have a proper break before they play their qualifying round, the first of four or five before the group stages. They will arrange something else - too much money involved. Teams that don't get to participate in those rounds will probably get a little something for their trouble.

In Malta, MFA, ended the league and the first time won it. Floriana was leading the league by only 3 points and had 6 games remaining :/

I can't wait for us to start the games.

Otherwise you're expecting the EPL teams playing in Europe in August to start playing a new EPL season after they go out of Europe with no break.

What do you think the last 10 weeks have been? It's probably the longest break footballers have had in their entire career.

What do you think the last 10 weeks have been? It's probably the longest break footballers have had in their entire career.

Spot on, we should now roll right into the new season after finishing this one, perhaps a short 1-2 week break, and then have a slightly longer winter break.

Spot on, we should now roll right into the new season after finishing this one, perhaps a short 1-2 week break, and then have a slightly longer winter break.

Definitely the longest break Mane has had.

The EPL will not wait until October, two full months after finishing this season, so that a small group of teams can play out their remaining UEFA matches. These are typically played concurrently anyway, so why should it be any different?

I'll grant you the start of the qualifying rounds for the 2020-21 European competitions may need to be pushed back for the current domestic seasons to be completed (qualifiers normally would have begun on June 23!), but this won't affect domestic schedules except for four clubs Europe wide (the finalists). All matches except the final are played midweek anyway (and even that could change for this one season).

Then the group stage matches for the two Euro competitions will probably have a slightly later start date, but it should all be caught up by the end of the calendar year. Fixture lists will be crowded for sure, but taking a two month break after finishing these final nine matches wouldn't make any sense at all.

The European games will be played at midweeks and weekends. There's so many games left that they have to play at every opportunity across the full month. Obviously if they are not played, then the EPL season can start earlier than October.

What do you think the last 10 weeks have been? It's probably the longest break footballers have had in their entire career.

During the break, the fixture list has to be arranged, clubs have to relay pitches, promoted clubs have to improve their grounds, we're moving to a new training facility, players are leaving clubs and joining new ones. There's European tournaments in August to complicate it all, and major international tournaments at the end of next season.

I know that players have just had a long lay off which is now causing a spike in injuries, but people expecting them to play every week for the next 12 months or more, with just a 1-2 week break is not realistic. So as things stand, I can't see the new EPL season starting before October at the earliest.

The European games will be played at midweeks and weekends. There's so many games left that they have to play at every opportunity across the full month. Obviously if they are not played, then the EPL season can start earlier than October.

During the break, the fixture list has to be arranged, clubs have to relay pitches, promoted clubs have to improve their grounds, we're moving to a new training facility, players are leaving clubs and joining new ones. There's European tournaments in August to complicate it all, and major international tournaments at the end of next season.

I know that players have just had a long lay off which is now causing a spike in injuries, but people expecting them to play every week for the next 12 months or more, with just a 1-2 week break is not realistic. So as things stand, I can't see the new EPL season starting before October at the earliest.

No one is suggesting they play for a solid 12 months, they should play these games coming up, 6 weeks, then have a 2 week break then into new season, then a slightly longer winter break, problem solved.

UEFA will announce the dates for the resumed competitions on June 17.

There are six matchdays left in the Champions League and six for Europa League (with two additional Europa matches to be played - first leg, round of 16).

Looking at the teams still in the competition, their national coefficient and their standing in domestic league play, I don't think there will be a need to push the 20-21 competition kickoff back very far at all. Early Qualifying rounds in most, if not all cases, can be played whle the final knockout rounds of the current UEFA competitions are complete.  It's a bit  more complicated logistically but it is doable, and the incentive to get things under way is great for most parties involved.

Even after that, none of these things stop the Premier League beginning in August.

I think we'll see a 4-5 week break in between the domestic seasons. This may mean a delay to the start of the Champions League proper and potentially reduced format for the competition next year. They could reduce the number of games with a Europa League style group stage, they could go knockout only, they could run with the same number of teams but more groups which would maintain the same number of teams but reduce on matchdays. Who knows.

They could decide to extend the 5 subs rule into next season, this would enable teams/squad to mitigate for a busier calendar with shorter rest periods both domestically and in Europe.

I think we'll see a 4-5 week break in between the domestic seasons. This may mean a delay to the start of the Champions League proper and potentially reduced format for the competition next year. They could reduce the number of games with a Europa League style group stage, they could go knockout only, they could run with the same number of teams but more groups which would maintain the same number of teams but reduce on matchdays. Who knows.

They could decide to extend the 5 subs rule into next season, this would enable teams/squad to mitigate for a busier calendar with shorter rest periods both domestically and in Europe.

4-5 weeks is pointless as how would you keep the players fit its to short to really relax anyway? I think a couple of weeks is enough, like the winter break, but I do think there should be more subs per game anyway, I've never understood why it's limited to three.

Just to be a dick but not commenting on the views above just saying there are multi threads for debating when the new season might start.can't we keep one thread for the reds in training!

No one is suggesting they play for a solid 12 months, they should play these games coming up, 6 weeks, then have a 2 week break then into new season, then a slightly longer winter break, problem solved.

If you're asking players to start the new season 2 weeks after this, you're telling them to play non stop football twice a week for the next 12 months, for club and country.

The winter break has to go next season. Once the season begins, every available slot in the calendar must be used. That means the usual 50-60 club games and 10-20 competitive internationals, then complain about how tired they are during the season.

We struggle atm to get players ready with a 3 week break every summer. Now you're asking them to play a full season, qualifiers, and tournaments after just a 2 week break. Good luck trying to win the players over.

Just saying there are multi threads for debating when the new season might start.can't we keep one thread for the reds in training!

I think we know we're back in training. There's not much else to it.

If you're asking players to start the new season 2 weeks after this, you're telling them to play non stop football twice a week for the next 12 months, for club and country.

The winter break has to go next season. Once the season begins, every available slot in the calendar must be used. That means the usual 50-60 club games and 10-20 competitive internationals, then complain about how tired they are during the season.

We struggle atm to get players ready with a 3 week break every summer. Now you're asking them to play a full season, qualifiers, and tournaments after just a 2 week break. Good luck trying to win the players over.

I think we know we're back in training. There's not much else to it.

They've just had a 10 week break, did you miss that part, by the way why can't there be a proper winter break then push back the end of next season by 1 or 2 weeks?

Just to be a dick but not commenting on the views above just saying there are multi threads for debating when the new season might start.can't we keep one thread for the reds in training!

I know, I started like three of them myself! :kk-)

OK, You got me.

I humbly seek your forgiveness.

Oh, and the WHO says asymptomatic people don't spread the virus AFTER all. 

we gotta friendly game against Blackburn on friday,any chance of an lfctv showing?

we gotta friendly game against Blackburn on friday,any chance of an lfctv showing?

Here's hoping.

One guy hiding under a seat in the top row with a cell phone could stream it and people would watch.

Here's hoping.

One guy hiding under a seat in the top row with a cell phone could stream it and people would watch.

There will be highlights for sure. But doubtful if they show whole game. would be cool though.

we gotta friendly game against Blackburn on friday,any chance of an lfctv showing?

Just read the friendly is on today at 3pm.

Can anyone confirm?

Just read the friendly is on today at 3pm.

Can anyone confirm?

Yes. You read that. 

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18509275.liverpool-v-rovers-holtby-complete-comeback-friendly/

Yes. You read that. 

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18509275.liverpool-v-rovers-holtby-complete-comeback-friendly/

It be nice if LFCTV televised it like

apparently 3-0 up at the moment, Mane Keita and Minamino with the goals

Just read the friendly is on today at 3pm.

Can anyone confirm?

Nope earlier, game currently ongoing, we're 3-0 up.

Nope earlier, game currently ongoing, we're 3-0 up.

Cheers lad.

Come on Reds

Nope earlier, game currently ongoing, we're 3-0 up.

They must have swerved everyone on the kickoff time to keep all the irresponsible Reds from gathering in Lancashire so they could breathe on each other outside the ground. Those police think of everything, always outsmarting us in our plans to do bad things.

They must have swerved everyone on the kickoff time to keep all the irresponsible Reds from gathering in Lancashire so they could breathe on each other outside the ground. Those police think of everything, always outsmarting us in our plans to do bad things.

Or it's just a friendly and treat it as such!

6-0 full time
Matip Hoever and Clarkson with the last 3 goals

6-0 full time
Matip Hoever and Clarkson with the last 3 goals

Good to hear Joel's getting back to match fitness too.

Or it's just a friendly and treat it as such!

sure, just rain on my conspiracy parade.

6-0 full time
Matip Hoever and Clarkson with the last 3 goals

Twitter ITKs say Mo and Robbo didn't play and that Ox left with an ankle knock.


No idea if these are true, but in Germany I noticed at least one player per match leaving with some kind of injury.

Twitter ITKs say Mo and Robbo didn't play and that Ox left with an ankle knock.


No idea if these are true, but in Germany I noticed at least one player per match leaving with some kind of injury.

hopefully all nothing serious and just precautionary!

hopefully all nothing serious and just precautionary!

He was subbed Hope it is not a serious one.

Never been so happy to read an lfc offi match report! https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/398399-match-report-liverpool-blackburn-rovers-friendly-anfield,Still photos as well.

They must have swerved everyone on the kickoff time to keep all the irresponsible Reds from gathering in Lancashire so they could breathe on each other outside the ground. Those police think of everything, always outsmarting us in our plans to do bad things.

And in a tremendous act of self-swerving deception, I would have shown up at the wrong place, thinking this was an away match...

Never been so happy to read an lfc offi match report! https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/398399-match-report-liverpool-blackburn-rovers-friendly-anfield,Still photos as well.

Agreed. Jürgen says the plan was to sub everyone at the break, but a few guys went 60 minutes because some guys (Mo, Robbo, maybe Ox) couldn't play.

I expect some video will be on the official site later today.

As best as I can tell, the starters were:

Alisson
Trent, Virgil, Gomez, Milner
Hendo, Keita, Fabinho
Mane, Minamino, Ox

2nd Half

Kelleher
Neco, Matip, Lovren,Larouci
Clarkson, Cain, Gini
Firmino, Elliott, Jones

KiJana Hoever obviously played somewhere in the 2nd half because he scored and is in the pics. Maybe I'm wrong about Gini being in but it looks like him in one of the pics. There are some dodgy haircuts at the moment, to be sure.

sure, just rain on my conspiracy parade.

Just wiki QAnon.

Those F***ing wingnuts will keep you going for months.

Hopefully a good run out for the lads.
Can't wait for the real thing to start.

Just wiki QAnon.

Those f**king wingnuts will keep you going for months.

Hopefully a good run out for the lads.
Can't wait for the real thing to start.

Where We Go On, We Go All. 

A very encouraging display, good to hear that Minamino was involved in a lit of moves, Blackburn are a decent side.

https://twitter.com/lewiswaring1/status/1271172516128702464?s=09

https://twitter.com/lewiswaring1/status/1271172516128702464?s=09

I thought Kijana Hoever looked strong in those highlights, although it must be said that Blackburn looked a bit like training cones.

Naby Keita in the first half seemed to be having a very good outing.

But we will see how that translates to the real thing next week. We know our players are likely to get kicked quite a bit more vs. Everton, for one thing.

I thought Kijana Hoever looked strong in those highlights, although it must be said that Blackburn looked a bit like training cones.

Naby Keita in the first half seemed to be having a very good outing.

But we will see how that translates to the real thing next week. We know our players are likely to get kicked quite a bit more vs. Everton, for one thing.

Hoever looks a real player doesn't he?

We have the biggest most exciting group of talented young players that I have seen as a supporter.

The future looks bright.

They've just had a 10 week break, did you miss that part, by the way why can't there be a proper winter break then push back the end of next season by 1 or 2 weeks?

You missed everything I said. For the third time.

The winter break has to go. It was never a proper winter break anyway. A real winter break is 6-8 weeks of no football. No training camps, no friendlies, no cup ties, no activity, zero. It's not a week "off" with FA Cup games thrown in.

In terms of the future, the "10 week break" doesn't mean a lot tbh. Players are currently rusty, unfit, and filling up treatment rooms across Europe. So after 12 months of non stop football demands, it would count for nothing.