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      HUYTON RED
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      Reply #100: Jun 27, 2020 10:09:17 pm
      Gone a bit tin foil recently for me

      Is that just lockdown getting to him? :laugh:
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      Reply #101: Jun 28, 2020 09:53:28 am

      There is a very worrying trend at the moment where freedom of speech is being trampled on and no debate is being allowed about racism or other topics like trans rights. For example Bernie Ecclestone, yes I know a difficult character at the best of times, but what did he really say that was so bad, he suggested that quite often Black people can be more racist than White, now instead of asking him to clarify that statement everyone instead instantly jumped on him and denounced him as ignorant and uneducated plus banned him from the sport which he in effect created, this includes that sanctimonious tax dodging multi-millionaire vain little sh*t Hamilton.

      Unless proper open debate is held about these issues then no lasting progress will be made, if you stifle free speech then you are in great danger of pushing a lot of people underground where the monsters lurk.

      Free speech is essential to any functioning society.


      I don't think that anyone denies there are a few racists in society but you don't solve it be denouncing all people as racist and you won't ever solve it without having a proper open discussion and that includes also looking at the Black community because the issues are not 100% caused by racism past or present, to think so is absurd, infantile and misses all the other factors like single parent families and poverty.
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      Reply #102: Jun 28, 2020 10:01:56 am
       

      There is no narrative of white privilege,it's real.You can't see it because you don't want to.Robinson and his ilk need to be driven back under the rock they crawled out from.And any person that goes"into the arms" can f**k off to,even in Burnley the 'poor oppressed white man' is close to 80% of the population,stop whining and blaming those around you struggling to get by and look at the cu*ts running the country as the problem.

      Can you give me examples of systemic racism, I honestly want to understand, you are right that I don't see it although very wrong in suggesting I don't want to so please educate me.
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      Reply #103: Jun 28, 2020 02:02:45 pm
      There is a very worrying trend at the moment where freedom of speech is being trampled on and no debate is being allowed about racism or other topics like trans rights. For example Bernie Ecclestone, yes I know a difficult character at the best of times, but what did he really say that was so bad, he suggested that quite often Black people can be more racist than White, now instead of asking him to clarify that statement everyone instead instantly jumped on him and denounced him as ignorant and uneducated plus banned him from the sport which he in effect created, this includes that sanctimonious tax dodging multi-millionaire vain little sh*t Hamilton.

      Unless proper open debate is held about these issues then no lasting progress will be made, if you stifle free speech then you are in great danger of pushing a lot of people underground where the monsters lurk.

      Free speech is essential to any functioning society.

      It's a shame then we don't actually acknowledge freedom of speech in this country, that is America.

      We have freedom of expression!!
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      Reply #104: Jun 28, 2020 05:14:35 pm
      Can you give me examples of systemic racism, I honestly want to understand, you are right that I don't see it although very wrong in suggesting I don't want to so please educate me.
       

      Here ya go from the ice cream hippies,https://www.benjerry.com/home/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real.A nice primer. You can do your own research the internet is pretty good for this.
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      Reply #106: Jun 28, 2020 07:23:54 pm
      There is a very worrying trend at the moment where freedom of speech is being trampled on and no debate is being allowed about racism or other topics like trans rights.

      Israel is a racist endeavour... 👍🏼
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      Reply #107: Jun 28, 2020 09:04:58 pm
      Hahaha even used the "I've got lots of Asian friends" line like all good closet racists use!!

      Ma Man Mobeen .
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      Reply #108: Jun 28, 2020 11:54:23 pm

      Good kid Guz.. bump into him quite often & I sh*t you not he dresses like you see him in on screen.. proper method actor 😂
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      Reply #109: Jun 29, 2020 12:15:22 am
      Good kid Guz.. bump into him quite often & I sh*t you not he dresses like you see him in on screen.. proper method actor 😂

      He is brilliant  ..... and Eight who is a funny circuit comedian in real life.
      Uncle Shady .... a law unto himself .  ( " Scum "  " B***ard" )

      What a start for anyone first watching it.
      Eight paying £150 for laptop ..... only to find its a dead cat in the bag. 
      Brilliant.
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      Reply #111: Jun 29, 2020 04:47:34 pm
      Mercedes changing F1 cars to black.
      Posted in F1 thread.
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      Reply #112: Jun 29, 2020 05:14:26 pm
      Mercedes changing F1 cars to black.
      Posted in F1 thread.

      Looks good too..👍🏼
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      Reply #113: Jun 30, 2020 02:29:57 pm
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/53232643/page/3

      Article ...

      Football commentators must address racial 'bias' says PFA
      This from BBC Sport's Laura Scott :

      There is "evident bias" in some football commentary relating to the skin tone of players, according to a new study.

      In 80 televised games analysed across four European leagues, including the Premier League, players with a lighter skin tone were praised more often for their intelligence and work ethic.

      Meanwhile, those with darker skin tones were "significantly" more likely to be "reduced to their physical characteristics or athletic ability", such as their pace and power.

      The research, conducted by Danish firm RunRepeat in association with the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA), concluded that the findings showed "bias from commentators".

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      Reply #114: Jun 30, 2020 08:32:23 pm
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/53232643/page/3

      Article ...

      Football commentators must address racial 'bias' says PFA
      This from BBC Sport's Laura Scott :

      There is "evident bias" in some football commentary relating to the skin tone of players, according to a new study.

      In 80 televised games analysed across four European leagues, including the Premier League, players with a lighter skin tone were praised more often for their intelligence and work ethic.

      Meanwhile, those with darker skin tones were "significantly" more likely to be "reduced to their physical characteristics or athletic ability", such as their pace and power.

      The research, conducted by Danish firm RunRepeat in association with the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA), concluded that the findings showed "bias from commentators".

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      Wait, so in sport, if someone speaks to your “pace and power” you are being “reduced”?

      Isn’t that what athletics are ultimately about? Athletic ability?

      You could turn this around and say that light skinned players are being “reduced” to their non athletic attributes those being intelligence and the ability to work hard.

      Sounds like confirmation bias to me.

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      Reply #115: Jun 30, 2020 08:59:32 pm
      Wait, so in sport, if someone speaks to your “pace and power” you are being “reduced”?

      Isn’t that what athletics are ultimately about? Athletic ability?

      You could turn this around and say that light skinned players are being “reduced” to their non athletic attributes those being intelligence and the ability to work hard.

      Sounds like confirmation bias to me.



      I agree FL.

      Didn't want to comment when I posted it.

      So Adama Traore is "reduced" because of his ethnicity and because of his pace ?

      He is Spanish/ Malian .
      Actually Born at L' Hospitalet Barcelona and is a product of the La Masia.


      Its getting to be bollocks now.
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      Reply #116: Jun 30, 2020 09:31:27 pm
      But they are not dealing with absolute, but opening up discusion,can't be  bad ? Less stereotyping all round wouldn't be a bad thing. Most commentators talk an awful lot of sh*te so anything to make things better.
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      Reply #117: Jun 30, 2020 09:54:42 pm
      I agree FL.

      Didn't want to comment when I posted it.

      So Adama Traore is "reduced" because of his ethnicity and because of his pace ?

      He is Spanish/ Malian .
      Actually Born at L' Hospitalet Barcelona and is a product of the La Masia.


      Its getting to be bollocks now.

      I get what they are saying but I’ll be damned if we don’t end up overcompensating the opposite way when we feel we need to course correct.
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      Reply #118: Jun 30, 2020 10:41:01 pm
      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/politics/mississippi-state-flag-confederate-emblem-removal/index.html.120 odd years to get it off the state flag.As an aside what about the brit flag on Hawaii state flag?
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      Reply #121: Jul 07, 2020 07:03:38 pm
      I think anyone reading this thread seriously needs to watch

      NYPD  : THE BIGGEST GANG IN NEW YORK


      BBC I Player   BBC 3.

      Starts off by the NYPD in numbers putting a guy down on to the sidewalk.

      Same tactic as  George Floyd .............. but this is 2014  and the guy Eric Garner dies.
      Shouting many times " I Can't Breathe!"  " I Can't Breathe!"

      Another guy picked up for alleged domestic assault and put in a van. Later by the time he is removed he is unconscious and has to be carried up into the the precinct police station by a load of NYPD cops.

      The Bronx. 
      With it's white mobile cherry picker cranes emblazoned with NYPD on them looking at night like the Martian aliens out of War Of The Worlds .

      Like one guy says...." This is one gang in America who you just cannot challenge or you with be dealt with swiftly and directly"


      "Arrests make so much money for everyone right up the judicial system"

      " The more arrests the more money everyone makes "




      End Of The World.

      " Escape From New York"  :  Video must watch   /   The Wang Chung  music as mentioned in relevant Favourite Film Soundtrack Thread


      Eric Garner video 2014  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/dec/04/i-cant-breathe-eric-garner-chokehold-death-video
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      Reply #122: Jul 07, 2020 07:16:45 pm
      Washington Redskins ?

      Perhaps the less obvious the San Franscisco 49'ers who I have already posted about.

      Glorifying the East to West goldrush in 1849 when the white man decimated the Native American Indian population by European diseases.
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      Reply #123: Jul 09, 2020 07:39:24 am
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53343967



      The US police officer accused of George Floyd's murder told him to stop talking as he repeatedly gasped under the man's knee, according to court documents.

      The unarmed black man cried out for his late mother and children as he said the Minneapolis policeman would kill him, transcripts from body-cam footage show.

      They were disclosed in court by lawyers for one of the four officers involved.

      The documents offer the clearest picture yet of Mr Floyd's last moments. His death in May sparked global uproar.

      It led to a wave of anti-racism protests led by the Black Lives Matter movement, and stirred debate and reflection in the US over the country's history of slavery and segregation.

      All four officers involved in taking Mr Floyd into custody were fired and arrested. Derek Chauvin, who knelt on his neck, faces several charges including second-degree murder, while the other three - Thomas Lane, J Alexander Kueng and Tou Thao - are charged with aiding and abetting murder.

      The transcripts were made public on Thursday as Mr Lane's lawyers asked for the case against him to be dismissed.

      Warning: Some readers may find the content below distressing.

      What do the transcripts show?
      Until now, eyewitness footage shared on social media revealed most of what was known about Mr Floyd's arrest and his final moments.

      The new transcripts give a more detailed account, shedding light on significant parts of the encounter, from the time Mr Lane and Mr Kueng arrived at the scene, to the point where Mr Floyd was given CPR in an ambulance.

      Transcripts of footage recorded by body cameras fitted to Mr Lane and Mr Kueng show Mr Floyd said more than 20 times he could not breathe as he was restrained by the officers in a Minneapolis street.

      They confronted him outside a convenience store where he was suspected of having used a forged $20 note to buy cigarettes.

      At one point, a handcuffed Mr Floyd, while pinned down on the road next to the police car, gasps that he cannot breathe, adding: "You're going to kill me, man."

      Mr Chauvin, who is shown in bystander footage appearing to kneel on Mr Floyd's neck for nearly eight minutes, replies: "Then stop talking, stop yelling.

      "It takes heck of a lot of oxygen to talk."

      The transcripts show Mr Floyd appears co-operative at the beginning of the arrest, repeatedly apologising to the officers after they approach his parked car.

      Mr Lane asks Mr Floyd to show his hands at least 10 times before ordering him to get out of the vehicle.

      In response to one of the demands to see his hands, Mr Floyd says: "Man, I got, I got shot the same way, Mr Officer, before." It is not clear what he is referring to.

      At one point Mr Lane says: "Why's he getting all squirrelly and not showing us his hands and just being all weird like that?"

      The officers then handcuff Mr Floyd and try to put him into the back of their police car. As they do, Mr Floyd becomes agitated, repeatedly pleading that he is claustrophobic.

      Mr Lane asks if he is "on something". Mr Floyd replies: "I'm scared, man."

      According to another document, Mr Lane told investigators that once in the car, Mr Floyd began "thrashing back and forth"

      Officers then pulled him out of the car and to the ground. Pinned on the floor, according to the transcript, Mr Floyd cries out a dozen times: "Mama."

      He says: "Can't believe this, man. Mom, love you. Love you.

      "Tell my kids I love them. I'm dead."


      At one point, when Mr Floyd continues to plead he can't breathe, Mr Lane asks Mr Chauvin: "Should we roll him on his side?"

      The officer responds: "No, he's staying put where we got him."

      Mr Chauvin's lawyers have not commented on the documents since they were made public.


      The transcripts were released in support of a legal bid to dismiss the criminal charges against Mr Lane, a rookie officer who was days into the job when Mr Floyd's death happened.

      Mr Lane's lawyer Earl Gray, who filed the documents, argued that it was "not fair or reasonable" for his client to stand trial on the charges.

      The new court documents include a transcript of Mr Lane's interview with investigators from Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

      In the interview, Mr Lane talked through the first crucial moments of his encounter with Mr Floyd.

      Mr Lane said he pulled his gun out and ordered Mr Floyd to show his hands after approaching his car and seeing him "sitting with his hands down below the seat".

      Pictures from inside the car Mr Floyd was sitting in before his arrest show two crumpled $20 bills that, according to Mr Gray, were counterfeit.

      Mr Lane's lawyer said two fake $20 bills were found in the car Mr Floyd was sitting in
      At the end of the interview, one of the investigators asked Mr Lane if he felt either he or Mr Chauvin had contributed to Mr Floyd's death.

      "I object to that. You're not going to answer that," Mr Gray said.

      Protests erupted and have continued since, across many US cities and also internationally.

      Monuments of historical figures with links to the slavery in the US and other countries were re-assessed. Some were toppled or vandalised, others were taken down by authorities and institutions.

      Mr Floyd's death followed the high-profile cases of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri; Eric Garner in New York; and others that have driven the Black Lives Matter movement in recent years.

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      Reply #124: Jul 10, 2020 09:02:34 pm
      Washington Redskins ?

      Perhaps the less obvious the San Franscisco 49'ers who I have already posted about.

      Glorifying the East to West goldrush in 1849 when the white man decimated the Native American Indian population by European diseases.
       

      Like ya said the gold rush/49ers is not the most obvious,so maybe start with the ones openly racist.I do think there's a danger of name changes watering down the real issues,it ain't gonna help ya get a job,or find decent housing, they did one in Boston recently Dudley square became Nubian sq,exchange one possible slave owner for another ?  :confused-smiley-013:

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