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      Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #275: Jun 22, 2020 01:36:27 pm
      They came with a game plan to stifle us and try to nick something, with us trying to break them down.

      On another day, closer to decent form we could maybe have managed that, but the rustiness was evident.

      We had spells where things clicked into place a bit better, but not enough of them, and not sustained.
      We're getting there though.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #276: Jun 22, 2020 01:42:10 pm
      On the subs front..all 9 of them. JoGo came on for Jim lad...then the Ox came out for second half replacing Mini.Then Div came on for Bobby..then Gini for Nabby..then enter the dragon..Mr.Lovren for Joey Mat. 5 subs..not often yer see that and unfortunately the only one who had an impact was Mr.Lovren..and that was a bit negative..(he fell over..twice).

      I'd rather see the team selected given almost the full game unless their injured or having a 'mare.

      I agree, none of the subs improved the team and I'm fairly sure that the starting XI had more chance of winning the game than the subs.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #277: Jun 22, 2020 03:26:16 pm
      No need for any gloom, we weren't sharp today and Ancelotti set Everton up to frustrate us, its as simple as that. Typical tight nervy Derby game, we'll win our next 2 games.

      Agree with this. Ancelotti knows exactly how to nullify us and has done so more than once.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #278: Jun 22, 2020 03:37:10 pm
      Agree with this. Ancelotti knows exactly how to nullify us and has done so more than once.

      To be honest it was hardly a tactical masterclass by Ancelotti and his team, I don’t think it mattered who we were playing yesterday, we weren’t going to score. We didn’t really make their defence work at all. Aside from a free header Matip missed and Firmino dragging a shot wide when he should have played in Keita, we caused them no problems at all. We seemed quite content to just pass the ball around side to side and not really get at them, we made it so easy for them to sit behind the ball and stay compact because they knew we didn’t really know what to do with the ball.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #279: Jun 22, 2020 05:16:02 pm
      To be honest it was hardly a tactical masterclass by Ancelotti and his team, I don’t think it mattered who we were playing yesterday, we weren’t going to score. We didn’t really make their defence work at all. Aside from a free header Matip missed and Firmino dragging a shot wide when he should have played in Keita, we caused them no problems at all. We seemed quite content to just pass the ball around side to side and not really get at them, we made it so easy for them to sit behind the ball and stay compact because they knew we didn’t really know what to do with the ball.

      Happened several times but we nearly always found a way to win.Win ugly is the phrase bandied about but yesterday we just drew a blank. Can't give them to much stick as it was evident we were ring rusty. No panic obviously...it's coming home for sure even if the party is stifled somewhat.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #280: Jun 22, 2020 05:19:17 pm
      A very boring affair in the end after all the build up, nevermind. We were below average but that's hardly unexpected. It can be hard to score against a team sitting as deep as Everton did at the best of times, and especially so given the major lay off everyone's had. I don't think this was helped by the changing line up throughout the game, particularly the front three.

      That said, it just wasn't really good enough. I was big enough to give my a dad (a blue) a father's day call afterwards to congratulate him on the high point of their season!

      Hope to see better on Wednesday, and I think we will.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #281: Jun 22, 2020 06:33:17 pm
      Very strange game, flat and boring, pretty much what we all expected with it being the first game back. We were a bit rusty going forward but we still dominated and controlled the game. It was like a passing training exercise for us.

      Everton’s game plan worked. They showed no attacking intent and played for a draw. I don’t think their fans would have allowed that if the ground was full and they’d have been on their players backs to close us down more, so the empty stadium played its part too.

      I thought the absence of Salah was noticeable. He can frustrate me immensely at times but he obviously offers a huge threat with his pace, energy and quality. I’ve not been impressed with minamino in a red shirt so far and ox’s days out wide are long gone, he’s only effective from the middle.

      We also missed Robertson who brings natural width down the left flank. Milly  and Gomez are both great pro’s but it’s just not the same as having a natural left footer and somebody who is as good as what Andy is.

      Only criticism I have is dejan Lovren. I know it’s harsh to go in on somebody after they’ve not played for so long but he isn’t good enough for us, not even as backup.  I watched the game with my mate who’s a blue and when Lovren came on I said ‘I’d rather play with ten men’. And he laughed and said surely not? And I said honestly i would because dejan causes us far more problems than what we would have if we just had ten men.

      Fast forward a couple of minutes and dejan makes two or three huge mistakes and we very nearly lost the game because of it. Anybody who thinks he’s ‘alright’ or ‘can do a job’ are kidding themselves. He’s a nightmare.

      In hindsight, klopp should have dropped Fabinho into the back four, put Henderson into the holding role, put the ox into the middle and then brought Salah or Elliott on out wide.

      But a point away at Everton in our first game back where we saw a lot of the ball and could shake the cobwebs off and get some practice is very good. 2 more games and the title is ours. Up the reds.

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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #282: Jun 22, 2020 06:39:17 pm
      I just watched a bit of the game again and it wasn't as bad as I remembered, we were fully jn control and were trying some good things, just missed that crisp play we normally have in the final third, we'll be fine, watch out Palace!
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #283: Jun 23, 2020 10:59:50 am
      Very strange game, flat and boring, pretty much what we all expected with it being the first game back. We were a bit rusty going forward but we still dominated and controlled the game. It was like a passing training exercise for us.

      Everton’s game plan worked. They showed no attacking intent and played for a draw. I don’t think their fans would have allowed that if the ground was full and they’d have been on their players backs to close us down more, so the empty stadium played its part too.

      I thought the absence of Salah was noticeable. He can frustrate me immensely at times but he obviously offers a huge threat with his pace, energy and quality. I’ve not been impressed with minamino in a red shirt so far and ox’s days out wide are long gone, he’s only effective from the middle.

      We also missed Robertson who brings natural width down the left flank. Milly  and Gomez are both great pro’s but it’s just not the same as having a natural left footer and somebody who is as good as what Andy is.

      Only criticism I have is dejan Lovren. I know it’s harsh to go in on somebody after they’ve not played for so long but he isn’t good enough for us, not even as backup.  I watched the game with my mate who’s a blue and when Lovren came on I said ‘I’d rather play with ten men’. And he laughed and said surely not? And I said honestly i would because dejan causes us far more problems than what we would have if we just had ten men.

      Fast forward a couple of minutes and dejan makes two or three huge mistakes and we very nearly lost the game because of it. Anybody who thinks he’s ‘alright’ or ‘can do a job’ are kidding themselves. He’s a nightmare.

      In hindsight, klopp should have dropped Fabinho into the back four, put Henderson into the holding role, put the ox into the middle and then brought Salah or Elliott on out wide.

      But a point away at Everton in our first game back where we saw a lot of the ball and could shake the cobwebs off and get some practice is very good. 2 more games and the title is ours. Up the reds.








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      Reply #284: Jun 23, 2020 01:15:17 pm
      Fair assessment. Not the ideal game for either side to start the remaining games with.

      Yes we do need forward cover due to Afcon with players missing ...thats why my money is on Adama Traore coming in.
      Traore would be very welcome. He has that ability to turn matches, create havoc, open up spaces for others. I think there are more goals in his game than he currently shows; in that sense he could be another Salah. The biggest problem I can see is that the current financial uncertainty makes big acquisitions questionable, notwithstanding Chelsea's opening up the purse with two big buys. Clubs otherwise are being very cautious. So I think our club would be more likely to engage in a swap, or a 'sell to buy' plan. And a 'sell to buy' plan involving 'nearly there' players such as Wilson, Grujic, probably won't fetch the same reward in transfer fees as the club is used to. This needs some ingenuity on Michael Edwards part to pull off the kind of deals that will move us forward.
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      Reply #285: Jun 23, 2020 01:18:24 pm
      Just want to  hand it to some of you for immediately getting back to mid-season form when it comes to magnifying every possible negative and making a season-long romp to the title look like a perpetual crisis en route to a colossal failure of a campaign.

      You have no equal when it comes to seeing things glass-half-empty. None.
      Chalk it up to anxiety based on lack of confidence. That says something, I have to admit, with a 20 point lead.
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      Reply #286: Jun 23, 2020 01:27:49 pm
      1st game back v the Everton, had draw written all over it, and so it proved. Considering we had no salah & robbo, and then lost milner & Matip to injuries, and they almost got a very undeserved lucky goal. I take the point and 1 step closer to the title.
      I thought Ancelloti outcoached Klopp to some degree, in that he picked the perfect tactics for his and our teams. I think he now has the formula there to move Everton higher. They showed a teamwork that our team lacked to some degree, although it's a bit harder to play Klopp's brand than Ancelloti's due to a higher complexity. Moves on our side tended to break down more easily with certain players, noticeably Ox and Trent. And Lovren was dreadful. Practice will take care of it, but you have to give credit to Pep for having his team thoroughly primed, whereas our team is lagging. Jürgen needs to show a ruthless streak, starting against Palace tomorrow.
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      Reply #287: Jun 23, 2020 01:30:19 pm
      Carlo set Everton up as if it was an AC Milan away game shut out. He went into Italian defensive mode.Parked the bus in the second half and plenty of the first half. Somebody should tell him he's in the Premier league now...he only got away with it as the fans were missing.
      Carlo has little choice with the players available to him. But all of his players stepped up and did a job.
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      Reply #288: Jun 23, 2020 01:34:12 pm
      Many a time ive backed up for Lovren in conversations because I don't like Liverpool players being ripped into and scapegoated (like against watford) but based on that cameo he had last night he should not be remotely near the first team until the thing is won! If milner Matip and Robertson are all out for the game against Palace I would play Gomez left back again and drop Fabinho back to partner Virgil and then pop Gini back into midfield. No way in hell I would play Lovren he might just make Benteke look half decent Wednesday
      It's got to be Joe or Joel, for sure. Depends on Matip's fitness, perhaps.
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      Reply #289: Jun 23, 2020 01:44:25 pm
      Did Lovern play on the right? He likes to be on the right... the far right I believe.
      "Far right" just about describes it. The body might have been on the pitch, but the head was far right, up there in the second tier of the grandstand.
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      Reply #290: Jun 23, 2020 02:31:16 pm
      It's got to be Joe or Joel, for sure. Depends on Matip's fitness, perhaps.
      Klopps ruled out Joel in the presser earlier. Says Robbo is ready though so thankfully Gomez can partner Virgil again.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #291: Jun 23, 2020 08:32:07 pm
      Thought we looked very lethargic throughout the whole game, hope we pick up the pace against Palace
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      Reply #292: Jun 24, 2020 08:45:52 am
      I think they have given up trying to beat us nowadays, that they just look to see how many 0-0 draws they can squeeze out of us. They still haven't scored a home goal against Jürgen, never mind win a game. Their high point of the season is not losing to us in their kip. You would be annoyed if your Sunday league team had a portakabin for a dressing room. For it to happen at this level is a disgrace.

      The game was what it usually is there, awful.
      As at many other clubs, the 3 month long siesta didn't help our medical staff much. Other than that, it felt more like a Sunday evening stroll in the park, than a crunch local derby with the title at stake.

      I will never understand why there was just 3 minutes added on at the end though. 8 subs in the second half alone would bring 4 minutes stoppage time, more time for injuries leading to the subs, 2 minutes more for what's laughably called a "cooling break", and more minutes for the usual stoppages and their time wasting. It should have been at least 8 minutes, possibly 10. Maybe Dean wanted to get the last bus home or something, but 3 minutes was a joke when the average game nowadays sees at least 5 minutes. Of course I understand that we would probably be there til now and it would still be 0-0.

      After all the apocalyptic forecasts though, I want to say thanks to our fans for reminding South Yorkshire Police again that even now, we are football fans, not fools.
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      Reply #293: Jun 24, 2020 05:01:15 pm
      I think they have given up trying to beat us nowadays, that they just look to see how many 0-0 draws they can squeeze out of us. They still haven't scored a home goal against Jürgen, never mind win a game. Their high point of the season is not losing to us in their kip. You would be annoyed if your Sunday league team had a portakabin for a dressing room. For it to happen at this level is a disgrace.

      The game was what it usually is there, awful.
      As at many other clubs, the 3 month long siesta didn't help our medical staff much. Other than that, it felt more like a Sunday evening stroll in the park, than a crunch local derby with the title at stake.

      I will never understand why there was just 3 minutes added on at the end though. 8 subs in the second half alone would bring 4 minutes stoppage time, more time for injuries leading to the subs, 2 minutes more for what's laughably called a "cooling break", and more minutes for the usual stoppages and their time wasting. It should have been at least 8 minutes, possibly 10. Maybe Dean wanted to get the last bus home or something, but 3 minutes was a joke when the average game nowadays sees at least 5 minutes. Of course I understand that we would probably be there til now and it would still be 0-0.

      After all the apocalyptic forecasts though, I want to say thanks to our fans for reminding South Yorkshire Police again that even now, we are football fans, not fools.

      Your right about the add on.They are supposed to add on 30 seconds for every sub. Considering they upped the sub count to 9 but just didn't bother to re emphasis to the refs to make up for the water break and the subs. We were short changed out of 3/4 minutes.

      Yes South Yorkshire Police nearly ruined the re start, lucky the League took the right decision on that, makes a change for them.

      Game wise Carlo went into Italian defensive mode. Bottled it really, didn't want to get turned over again.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #294: Jun 24, 2020 05:38:00 pm
      Your right about the add on.They are supposed to add on 30 seconds for every sub. Considering they upped the sub count to 9 but just didn't bother to re emphasis to the refs to make up for the water break and the subs. We were short changed out of 3/4 minutes.

      Yes South Yorkshire Police nearly ruined the re start, lucky the League took the right decision on that, makes a change for them.

      Game wise Carlo went into Italian defensive mode. Bottled it really, didn't want to get turned over again.

      Some of the subs come during "designated windows", and drinks breaks, where the clock is stopped.

      It's all very f**king strange though.
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      Re: Everton 0-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #295: Jun 24, 2020 06:36:27 pm
      I’m watching Norwich v Bitters.
      I see bitters can get more the three players ahead of their own 18 yd box without getting nose bleeds.
      Just confirms how much they respect/fear us.
      They will play footy against sides of their own ilk. Mid to bottom table 😂😂😂

      Will say though, Norwich looking the better side.

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