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      Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)

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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #25: Jun 23, 2020 10:55:38 pm
      :lmao: My god you are serious

      Lost for words , really staggered


      We had a couple of scrappy games 3 months ago where we lost once in the league , lumping cup games together is irrelevant , it was months ago

      And then we come back for our first game after a long lockdown in a Derby that’s always going to be a tight bitty affair


      It’s almost as if people were desperate to be that critical.


      All that matters is getting 5 points , it can be 5 scrappy draws for all I care and don’t understand why people being a bit too critical of a team that is on track to break the points tally in a season.

      I don’t know what the issue is. Why is it so long as everyone is praising the team, saying how much the sun shines out of everyone’s arse, saying how good we are etc then it’s happy days all around. But the second anything critical, that has become apparent because we are used to having such a high standard now, the backs go up, the chests come out and people go shooting on up to that moral high ground with the sarcasm and snideness right up there with them...”where’s this come from?”, “how can you say that after we’ve done this and that”.

      It’s not a bad thing being critical and it’s only because we are used to such a high standard and want to maintain it. You think Klopp doesn’t remind the players they need to maintain their levels? Doesn’t tell them their standard has slipped a bit despite all we’ve achieved? Of course he does!

      Really is pathetic.
      « Last Edit: Jun 23, 2020 11:01:06 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #26: Jun 23, 2020 11:00:26 pm
      I don’t know what the issue is. Why is it so long as everyone is praising the team, saying how much the sun shines out of everyone’s arse, saying how good we are etc then it’s happy days all around. But the second anything critical, that has become apparent because we are used to having such a high standard now, the backs go up, the chests come out and people go shooting on up to that moral high ground with the sarcasm and snideness right up there with them...”where’s this come from?”, “how can you say that after we’ve done this and that”.

      It’s not a bad thing being critical and it’s only because we are used to such a high standard and want to maintain it.


      I could understand it if there wasn’t a 3 month break in between the games - if the Derby was straight after getting Knocked out of the CL and FA Cup but it’s world away now , the squad has been away for ages and unfortunately for us the first game back was the Derby at their place where they were always going to be 11 behind the ball. It was close to a pre season game.

      If in 2/3 weeks time the performances are still suffering then it’s potentially time to look but let’s give them time to at least get back up and running again.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #27: Jun 23, 2020 11:07:46 pm

      I could understand it if there wasn’t a 3 month break in between the games - if the Derby was straight after getting Knocked out of the CL and FA Cup but it’s world away now , the squad has been away for ages and unfortunately for us the first game back was the Derby at their place where they were always going to be 11 behind the ball. It was close to a pre season game.

      If in 2/3 weeks time the performances are still suffering then it’s potentially time to look but let’s give them time to at least get back up and running again.

      I don’t get it, that’s a much more reasonable reply without all the snideness. Why not have just said that in the first place?

      That’s why I wasn’t focussing just on the Derby, it’s clear as day to see that we weren’t at our best before the break and as a result we got eliminated from 2 competitions and got battered by Watford. Saying we slipped from our high standard and hit a patchy bit of form isn’t needed to be taken so personally by people. If you are getting results like that compared to winning every week, hammering home the goals, letting in barely any goals then it’s obvious something isn’t quite right and is showing that we have room for improvement and need to get more clinical, stay more concentrated, be sharper etc.

      I know there was a break of however long, but IMO, the performance vs Everton was far too similar to what we were playing like in the games before the break, that was my issue. I think I just expected to see a bit more urgency and determination. Perhaps I was expecting too much given the break, I don’t know.

      If we were still playing to our capabilities then do you think that spell of games would have ended the way they did? I don’t, not a chance because we’ve shown all season up to that point what we are capable of.

      It just seems that the second someone reads something slightly critical, they go full on defensive without thinking “yeah actually, we aren’t playing to the level we can”.

      If you employ someone and they are a great worker for you, if you notice they aren’t quite as good for a month or whatever are you going to let it slide or are you going to think “okay something isn’t quite right here”?. It’s the same principle.

      Hopefully vs Palace we can be a bit more back to our old selves which we have become so used to seeing now.
      « Last Edit: Jun 23, 2020 11:13:57 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #28: Jun 24, 2020 09:46:36 am
      I honestly don't know why anyone's worried. We're always slow returning from a one or two week break, never mind a three month one and having our first game back against a bag of sh*te that think a draw against us is a win, win wasn't ideal.

      In the second half against the ev I could see the old Liverpool turning the screw and pushing them back, unfortunately they had a couple of chances and remarkably they upped their game as soon as the right wing stalwart lovren came on, when a whole team ups their game when they see one of your players come on then you know you've got a problem.

      We'll be golden, we'll win by a two goal margin tonight easily.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #29: Jun 24, 2020 10:02:04 am
      Defo missed Robbo's energy down the left, so hopefully should create a lot more with him playing, and for me Gomez and Van dijk all day long,and hopefully Firmino can find some form, thought he was way off it,on sunday, should still have more than enough for Palace

      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #30: Jun 24, 2020 10:06:36 am
      I honestly don't know why anyone's worried. We're always slow returning from a one or two week break, never mind a three month one and having our first game back against a bag of sh*te that think a draw against us is a win, win wasn't ideal.

      In the second half against the ev I could see the old Liverpool turning the screw and pushing them back, unfortunately they had a couple of chances and remarkably they upped their game as soon as the right wing stalwart lovren came on, when a whole team ups their game when they see one of your players come on then you know you've got a problem.

      We'll be golden, we'll win by a two goal margin tonight easily.

      Yes we are slow after a break but why, If you look at City then its obvious that its possible to hit the ground running so why don't we? I know our play is quite technical but then so is City's.

      Anyway as for the game I'm nervous but I do think we'll win this, it could actually be quite comfortable as well, but it depends how rusty Mo is but even if he is he'll be dragging defenders all over the place, leaving gaps for Sadio and the others. Having Robbo back will also make a big difference although he'll no doubt be rusty as well, but same as Mo it will still be a big distraction for their defenders at the very least.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #31: Jun 24, 2020 10:13:54 am
      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.

      When he’s on form, there isn’t anyone better !
      And as for.....
      First game back, Derby, bitters 11 behind the ball tactic. Poor performance has to be expected.
      That may be so, but I foresee most teams playing that tactic against us now.
      We just need to be able to overcome it, not sure if that’s down to us changing tactics, or just personnel !
      Feeling a bit nervy about tonight’s game to be fair, as I’m sure Woy will set them up similar to bitters.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #32: Jun 24, 2020 10:42:41 am
      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.

      You're talking about a guy who is the best at what he does in the League, possibly Europe, and you want Chamberlain there after one tight Derby game?

      On a wind up again I imagine.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #33: Jun 24, 2020 10:47:07 am
      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.
      Come on, as if you actually think that
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #34: Jun 24, 2020 10:52:22 am
      Well clearly the way we’ve been going about it hasn’t been good enough lately because we have 1 win in 5 games which says to me we’ve been found out a bit. Watford, Bournemouth, Everton, Atlético and Chelsea all knew to sit deep and wait to hit us on the counter. When teams are just sat with everyone behind the ball we may well try changing it up but it isn’t working of late is it.

      Though admittedly on my behalf, it was badly written because in terms of “mixing it up”, it was in reference to using our bench effectively when we need to change a game. I didn’t word my post very well.

      Thing is, ever since Klopp really got his system going, I've been hearing (or reading) about how we've been "found out" every time we hit some patchy form.

      The fact is, that we've found a way to win more often than not.

      Teams have been parking the bus against us for years, and we still keep getting results for the most part.

      It's football, there'll be times when it doesn't quite come off for us, for a variety of reasons, so I think the "found out" thing is a bit overblown.
      Same with bench options.
      I'm sure we'd all like top quality options off the bench, but it's not going to happen for the foreseeable, and what we have has served us pretty well so far.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #35: Jun 24, 2020 10:58:14 am
      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.

      Ox can't play the false no.9 role as he doesn't link play they way Bobby does and it would be a waste of his explosive speed and power to play him up top.

      I think Minamino can play this role but he's still learning Klopps system so will need more time to get to Bobby's level of understanding.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #36: Jun 24, 2020 11:05:58 am
      Yes we are slow after a break but why, If you look at City then its obvious that its possible to hit the ground running so why don't we? I know our play is quite technical but then so is City's.


      City played two absolute rubbish teams since we've restarted.

      We've played away to one team who are in good form with a good manager who set them up to defend for 90 mins while we were missing two key players.

      So it's hardly a like for like situation.

      Let's see how we get on tonight before we berate our team for not restarting as fast as City have.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #37: Jun 24, 2020 11:20:55 am
      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.


      WTF

      So let me get this right

      When we didn’t sign Werner you cried and cried about not having good back up and players on the bench not good enough to step in and you included Minamino in that list

      And now you suggest he could be better than Bobby  :mad: :mad: :mad:


      At first I thought you were just a bit clueless and maybe something is lost in translation now  I just think you are on a wind up
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #38: Jun 24, 2020 11:21:03 am
      Couldn't give a f**k about city.

      I'm interested in LFC, not f**king crying about other teams.

      5 more points.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #39: Jun 24, 2020 12:00:02 pm


                                                                Alisson
                                       
                                                Trent   Gomez   Virgil   Robbo

                                                             Henderson
                                                  Keita.                      Gini

                                                    Salah.    Bobby.    Mane


                           Bench; Adrian, Matip, Williams, Fabinho, Ox, Origi, Elliot


      This to me is one of if not the best X1’s we can use to get us back on track albeit still a bit rusty, a midfield of Keita & Minamino with Hendo didn’t work for me, the one above is more experienced and has a better balance about it, I was tempted to play AOC, but Naby played well V Blueshite and needs a run of games to see him at his best,
      the derby is always a tough encounter at the best of times, playing one after a 3 month break will never produce a classic performance or allow us to play like the well oiled machine we were previously,  it will take us 2/3 games to get our flow back so I’m not to worried about the outcome of initial re-start matches,

      Having said that there is no doubt that the neg-heads will have sharpened their claws waiting for us to f**k things up, we have 8 games left with a maximum of 24 Pts on offer, we need 5 of them, so there is absolutely no pressure at all or to get our panties all twisted up,

      I can see a better all round performance tonight with plenty more endeavour & passion, Palace will be more open than Blueshite were although for Woy he’ll veer on the side of caution, they have a decent record against us but I seriously doubt they will up to the level they will need to do us.




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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #40: Jun 24, 2020 12:00:17 pm
      THIS is the key match on the run-in for me.

      Get a win, 1-0, 2-1, 6-0, don't care what or how, just get the win.

      We would then need 1 win or 2 draws to seal the deal and, more to the point, City could afford no slip up (not that they've looked much like slipping since the restart!) as any dropped points would give us the title.

      Had a ticket for this match so be bitter-sweet watching this tonight but it's all about the result.

      COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS!!!
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #41: Jun 24, 2020 12:01:34 pm
      I'd actually be quite tempted to play Minamino or Ox instead of Bobby, I think they could be equally good at being that link man, perhaps even better.
      :lmao: That won't happen
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #42: Jun 24, 2020 12:05:25 pm
      City played two absolute rubbish teams since we've restarted.

      We've played away to one team who are in good form with a good manager who set them up to defend for 90 mins while we were missing two key players.

      That's not entirely true!  No team was in good form due to the 3 month lay-off and Everton hadn't won in their last 3 prior to playing us.

      More accurate would be to say the away derby is always a tough game for us hence we've only won 1 of the last 8 or 9, mainly ending in draws.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #43: Jun 24, 2020 12:06:48 pm

                                                                Alisson
                                       
                                                Trent   Gomez   Virgil   Robbo

                                                             Henderson
                                                  Keita.                      Gini

                                                    Salah.    Bobby.    Mane


                           Bench; Adrian, Matip, Williams, Fabinho, Ox, Origi, Elliot


      This to me is one of if not the best X1’s we can use to get us back on track albeit still a bit rusty, a midfield of Keita & Minamino with Hendo didn’t work for me, the one above is more experienced and has a better balance about it, I was tempted to play AOC, but Naby played well V Blueshite and needs a run of games to see him at his best,
      the derby is always a tough encounter at the best of times, playing one after a 3 month break will never produce a classic performance or allow us to play like the well oiled machine we were previously,  it will take us 2/3 games to get our flow back so I’m not to worried about the outcome of initial re-start matches,

      Having said that there is no doubt that the neg-heads will have sharpened their claws waiting for us to f**k things up, we have 8 games left with a maximum of 24 Pts on offer, we need 5 of them, so there is absolutely no pressure at all or to get our panties all twisted up,

      I can see a better all round performance tonight with plenty more endeavour & passion, Palace will be more open than Blueshite were although for Woy he’ll veer on the side of caution, they have a decent record against us but I seriously doubt they will up to the level they will need to do us.




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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #44: Jun 24, 2020 12:09:08 pm

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                                                Trent   Gomez   Virgil   Robbo

                                                             Henderson
                                                  Keita.                      Gini

                                                    Salah.    Bobby.    Mane


                           Bench; Adrian, Matip, Williams, Fabinho, Ox, Origi, Elliot


      This to me is one of if not the best X1’s we can use to get us back on track albeit still a bit rusty, a midfield of Keita & Minamino with Hendo didn’t work for me, the one above is more experienced and has a better balance about it, I was tempted to play AOC, but Naby played well V Blueshite and needs a run of games to see him at his best,
      the derby is always a tough encounter at the best of times, playing one after a 3 month break will never produce a classic performance or allow us to play like the well oiled machine we were previously,  it will take us 2/3 games to get our flow back so I’m not to worried about the outcome of initial re-start matches,

      Having said that there is no doubt that the neg-heads will have sharpened their claws waiting for us to f**k things up, we have 8 games left with a maximum of 24 Pts on offer, we need 5 of them, so there is absolutely no pressure at all or to get our panties all twisted up,

      I can see a better all round performance tonight with plenty more endeavour & passion, Palace will be more open than Blueshite were although for Woy he’ll veer on the side of caution, they have a decent record against us but I seriously doubt they will up to the level they will need to do us.




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      Plus it's always nice to get one over on Hodgson.

      I'd prefer to see Henderson in front of Fabinho.
      Fabinho grew into the match on Sunday, after a couple of dodgy moments, and our attack looked better when Henderson was further up driving it and dictating the pace, while also offering valuable support on the right to Minamino and TAA.
      « Last Edit: Jun 24, 2020 12:14:11 pm by Swab »
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #45: Jun 24, 2020 12:11:37 pm

               they have a decent record against us but I seriously doubt they will up to the level they will need to do us.
      Used to be thought of as a bit of a bogey side, but the truth is we've won the last 6 matches against Palace and furthermore, we've won the last 7 at their place!
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #46: Jun 24, 2020 12:24:41 pm

      WTF

      So let me get this right

      When we didn’t sign Werner you cried and cried about not having good back up and players on the bench not good enough to step in and you included Minamino in that list

      And now you suggest he could be better than Bobby  :mad: :mad: :mad:


      At first I thought you were just a bit clueless and maybe something is lost in translation now  I just think you are on a wind up

      Mate, seriously, don't get wound up because that's the desired response. The vast majority of what comes out of it runs against the groove just so it can start an argument.

      I have to admit that I'm being a tad selfish here as well because I've got him on ignore and every time he winds somebody up they quote him and then I have to f**king read it.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #47: Jun 24, 2020 12:43:36 pm
      That's not entirely true!  No team was in good form due to the 3 month lay-off and Everton hadn't won in their last 3 prior to playing us.

      More accurate would be to say the away derby is always a tough game for us hence we've only won 1 of the last 8 or 9, mainly ending in draws.

      Ok but Arsenal and Burnley were particularly abysmal in comparison to other teams in the restart.

      1 point away in the derby isn't even a bad result. I doubt City would have wolloped the Mancs away first game back.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #48: Jun 24, 2020 01:09:35 pm
      The Hendo Fabinho combo isn't always the answer.Playing the Ox with these two poses a problem as if the Ox has to play wide he isn't very effective. Very often the front 3 pick themselves but the 3 midfield are in constant flux.

      Hendo,Keita,Fab,Gini,The Ox, Lallana, Shaq...Jones maybe. We all have our midfield line up and sometimes the Gaffa gets the balance slightly off. For this game my front 6 is: Mane,Firmino,Salah,Hendo,Ox,Gini.

      I want the Ox in the hole just off the front 3..Hendo and Gini supporting but deeper with Hendo playing off the back 4. That's my shout anyway.
      Both Oxo and Naby are excellent carriers of the ball normally, which gives us a different way to break out than the long pass. Both have what it takes to add important goals. Oxo is only a moderately good passer, though. Naby is an excellent short-medium passer, but not so much long. So I think we lose something in the passing game when they both play in MF. If our regular long passing game isn't working, we come up short, and that was the situation in Trent's case. Two kinds of pass have featured heavily in his effectiveness; the 'out ball' to Salah down the right touch-line, and the cross-field switch to Robertson. Against Everton I think the lack of those two players hurt our effectiveness just in Trent's effectiveness alone. Mino's touchline effectiveness isn't the same as Salah's, and I think Klopp needs to find a better way to use him, probably more in-field.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace (24 June 2020 - 8:15pm)
      Reply #49: Jun 24, 2020 01:14:55 pm
      I'd like to see us shoot more.
      But the chances have to be genuine, otherwise the ball hits legs and torsos all the time. Finding that final pass has been a feature of our game for a couple of years, and we were a bit ineffective in that area. Our shooting-range free kicks need to be a bit sharper, too, though Fabinho of all people came close. Salah and Trent need to bring more to this.

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