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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #27325: Yesterday at 04:00:25 pm
      Looking at what a dollar is used for, players are depreciating assets, whereas a new stands receives higher revenue forever. The only difference to us fans is we obtain more joy seeing us win than seeing more fans getting through Anfield’s turnstiles. That addresses the use of funds.

      Mode of funding now lies between pumping in money as equity or debt. For debt, the club pays an interest while for equity dividend payment may or may not be paid depending on the club’s profitability. Either way these are cash resources injected into the club but the classification is different. Perhaps they wanted some interest income instead of dividends which is why they went via debt. Normally interest payments have less expensive funding cost than dividends.

      The Abramovich analogy is to demonstrate that demands for owners to pump in money is very high and only a select few could continually do so.

      Here’s the crux of the matter. We could fund player acquisition via loans but that is potentially going down the route of H&G where our books are laden with debt. With a bigger stand, we’d still receive higher matchday income which is much better than acquiring a player that is depreciated over his contract. If we get the wrong player and results don’t go our way, that’s an even worse outcome. Therefore, funding player with debt usually does not make sense. It may sound all foreign as this is off the pitch football business. All I can say is that FSG ain’t running the club to the ground, with the exception of our discomfort that they aren’t continually buying players for our joy and happiness.

      Abramovic has no context with LFC and it is puzzling why you continually use him as a point of reference.
      FSG aren't buying players full stop.
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      Reply #27326: Yesterday at 04:08:13 pm
      Abramovic has no context with LFC and it is puzzling why you continually use him as a point of reference.
      FSG aren't buying players full stop.

      Just for added clarification, some of us have demanded or wished that FSG pumps in money for player acquisition. Extra money outside of a sell to buy policy. This is akin to City and what Abramovich used to do.

      Reality is we have a sell to buy policy and wishing for such owners is not going to happen as you have rightly pointed out.

      They are still buying players - not in City or Abramovich style, but by way of balancing the books.

      We can judge, lament, like or dislike. But it is what it is. In my opinion, they have not mismanaged the club. Player acquisition could be better handled. But they haven’t done anything terrible to the club in overall aspects either.
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      Reply #27327: Yesterday at 04:15:07 pm
      As I said fuckwit you stated LFC had repaid  £10m of the loan and you implied they weren't concerned about receiving the remainder, again where are the terms of contract that confirm your bullshit.
      These are astute businessmen who have demonstrated their ruthlessness, is JWH on medication?


      Again I’m not sure what your issue is ?

      Yes the club have only paid back £10mil of the money and that’s it 🤷‍♂️

      What’s the problem
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      Reply #27328: Yesterday at 05:20:07 pm

      Again I’m not sure what your issue is ?

      Yes the club have only paid back £10mil of the money and that’s it 🤷‍♂️

      What’s the problem

      The problem is you.
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      Reply #27329: Yesterday at 05:24:10 pm

       :mad:

      The owners loaned the money the club to build up the stadium - right now the club have paid a total of £10mil back with the owners not pushing for any further money to be paid back . You can try and twist whatever you want - they gave money to the club to use.


      For the attention of fuckwit who apparently has no idea what he posts.
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      Reply #27330: Yesterday at 05:48:07 pm
      Just for added clarification, some of us have demanded or wished that FSG pumps in money for player acquisition. Extra money outside of a sell to buy policy. This is akin to City and what Abramovich used to do.


      No this is what most clubs do.

      You're picking the two extremes which is City and Chelsea.

      Are Aston Villa, Wolves, Spurs, Leicester, Man United (I rank them with City and Chels), Everton etc running on a sell to buy policy?

      No.

      We seem to be operating on a Newcastle, Mike Ashley, policy.

      The difference between us and them is Newcastle didn't sign Klopp.

      Jürgen Klopp was the reason we were able to build that stand. Without our success we never would have had the owners LOAN us the money to build a stand.

      Again, look who they went out and signed when we were having a defensive crisis and to make matters worse they forced us to part ways with a striker in the middle of a goal scoring crisis to bring in the defenders.

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      Reply #27331: Yesterday at 05:54:49 pm
      You lot still going over all this??  ;D
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      Reply #27332: Yesterday at 05:56:03 pm
      For the attention of fuckwit who apparently has no idea what he posts.

      Again what’s the issue 🤷‍♂️


      What is it you have a problem with 🤷‍♂️
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      Reply #27333: Yesterday at 05:58:30 pm
      No this is what most clubs do.

      You're picking the two extremes which is City and Chelsea.

      Are Aston Villa, Wolves, Spurs, Leicester, Man United (I rank them with City and Chels), Everton etc running on a sell to buy policy?

      No.

      We seem to be operating on a Newcastle, Mike Ashley, policy.

      The difference between us and them is Newcastle didn't sign Klopp.

      Jürgen Klopp was the reason we were able to build that stand. Without our success we never would have had the owners LOAN us the money to build a stand.

      Again, look who they went out and signed when we were having a defensive crisis and to make matters worse they forced us to part ways with a striker in the middle of a goal scoring crisis to bring in the defenders.


      All those clubs you mention will have to comply with FFP rules

      Some are getting loans from owners , some loans from banks


      UTD for example spend the huge profits from commercial income


      Is there any point attempting to explain to you ?
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      Reply #27334: Yesterday at 06:04:41 pm
      You lot still going over all this??  ;D


      Something pass the time  ;D
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      Reply #27335: Yesterday at 07:26:32 pm
      Again what’s the issue 🤷‍♂️


      What is it you have a problem with 🤷‍♂️

      IF FSG CAN SUPPOSEDLY ‘FORGET’ ABOUT £XXXm REPAID OFF THE LOAN WHY CANT THEY LEND LFC THE MONIES TO RESCUE OUR SEASON
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      Reply #27336: Yesterday at 07:40:33 pm
      IF FSG CAN SUPPOSEDLY ‘FORGET’ ABOUT £XXXm REPAID OFF THE LOAN WHY CANT THEY LEND LFC THE MONIES TO RESCUE OUR SEASON


       :mad:

      FFP 🤦‍♂️


      Money can go towards building stadiums etc not buying players 🤦‍♂️
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      Reply #27337: Yesterday at 08:35:06 pm

       :mad:

      FFP 🤦‍♂️


      Money can go towards building stadiums etc not buying players 🤦‍♂️

       


      :lmao::f_tongueincheek: >:D :f_doh: >:D
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      Reply #27338: Today at 11:54:20 am

      All those clubs you mention will have to comply with FFP rules

      Some are getting loans from owners , some loans from banks


      UTD for example spend the huge profits from commercial income


      Is there any point attempting to explain to you ?

      And they will still have to balance the books. One player in, another out due to player registration.

      How much money does Mike Edwards lose from player swaps/balancing the books? Less than other clubs because he's a genius. Oh low net spend then. Damn the owners. They're selling to buy. They put in nothing.

      And damn the owners as well, if we allow players to leave for next to nothing. Surely they must have the brains to recoup some of our cost if a player were allowed to leave.

      Damned if you balance the books well, damned as well if you don't.
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      Reply #27339: Today at 11:57:59 am
      General question.

      What is an acceptable amount for the owners to allocate and fork out annually for player acquisition? Net of player sales. I keep hearing they ain't putting in their own money for player acquisitions.

      Extremes may be £1 to maybe City's £50-100m budget. But I'd like to hear what a reasonable number is in terms of annual commitment for fans today. Net spend amount after netting off player sales.
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      Reply #27340: Today at 12:40:24 pm
      General question.

      What is an acceptable amount for the owners to allocate and fork out annually for player acquisition? Net of player sales. I keep hearing they ain't putting in their own money for player acquisitions.

      Extremes may be £1 to maybe City's £50-100m budget. But I'd like to hear what a reasonable number is in terms of annual commitment for fans today. Net spend amount after netting off player sales.


      For me the amount of spend is irrelevant -


      It doesn’t matter if we spend £1 or £100mil gross or net or whatever

      The main aim for the club is that they work with the manager and provide him the players that he thinks he needs to succeed regardless of the cost of that player and obviously within the financial constraints of the club

      As long whatever profit or surplus is made available for player purchases then that’s all the owners/club can do


      Unfortunately since the arrival of Abramovich as well as football manager games a lot of people are focused on the spending numbers


      They don’t care that we got VVD , Alisson and Fabinho into the club - they only care that it was a net spend of X amount

      It seems there are people and imo the newer generation of fan who just want the club to spend money in the same ways as others

      They want to see £100mil spent regardless of what players arrive
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      Reply #27341: Today at 01:52:38 pm

      The main aim for the club is that they work with the manager and provide him the players that he thinks he needs to succeed regardless of the cost of that player and obviously within the financial constraints of the club



      And you think they done this in January?
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      Reply #27342: Today at 01:58:06 pm
      And you think they done this in January?

      “Within the financial constraints of the club”
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      Reply #27343: Today at 02:33:27 pm

       :mad:

      FFP 🤦‍♂️


      Money can go towards building stadiums etc not buying players 🤦‍♂️

      Can I just ask... once the new stadia/ stands are built & the extra income they generate, does all that generated income go towards new players or does part of it pay all the club staff wages..?
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      Reply #27344: Today at 02:38:21 pm
      Can I just ask... once the new stadia/ stands are built & the extra income they generate, does all that generated income go towards new players or does part of it pay all the club staff wages..?

      All club revenue goes towards the running of the club doesn’t it?

      Hopefully it will just mean more revenue, more funds for the squad

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