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      Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)

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      heimdall
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #575: Sep 11, 2020 12:26:38 pm
      Sounds good in theory but my feeling is there's no chance Thiago comes here unless Gini leaves; if he stays, I'd be astonished if we make the signing. 

      I'm not so sure now, I actually think we might keep Gini and get Thiago, I think Bayern Munich will blink first here, knowing that if they don't sell him now then they get zilch in transfer fee plus a slightly pissed off player so I think we'll get him for £25m'ish which will be a bargain.
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      Reply #576: Sep 11, 2020 12:44:05 pm
      I am so happy that Gini will most probably stay. This is further proof to what Jürgen wanted to do to the club when he came in - to make it a destination rather than a stepping stone. And to choose us when Barca comes calling is further proof to how this has all come a full circle.

      If Thiago comes in, well and good. But, at the moment he is not a red. So who cares!
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #577: Sep 11, 2020 01:41:55 pm
      I'm not so sure now, I actually think we might keep Gini and get Thiago, I think Bayern Munich will blink first here, knowing that if they don't sell him now then they get zilch in transfer fee plus a slightly pissed off player so I think we'll get him for £25m'ish which will be a bargain.
      I hope you're right as both options would be fantastic, just can't see it myself.
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      Reply #578: Sep 11, 2020 02:12:12 pm
      I am so happy that Gini will most probably stay. This is further proof to what Jürgen wanted to do to the club when he came in - to make it a destination rather than a stepping stone. And to choose us when Barca comes calling is further proof to how this has all come a full circle.

      If Thiago comes in, well and good. But, at the moment he is not a red. So who cares!

      Did I miss something?  Has Gini signed a new contract?
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      Reply #579: Sep 11, 2020 02:25:06 pm
      Did I miss something?  Has Gini signed a new contract?

      No..He will "probably" stay
      Melissa Reddy had also stated earlier that the ideal scenario for Jürgen is to have both Gini and Thiago.

      https://www.thisisanfield.com/2020/09/gini-wijnaldum-could-stay-at-liverpool-after-positive-talks-with-jurgen-klopp/
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #580: Sep 11, 2020 02:37:11 pm
      Is it right that we could get Thiago on a free in January? Or is it only that we can agree the transfer but would need to take place next summer?

      Think it’s the latter and wonder whether we might go down that route instead.
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      Reply #581: Sep 11, 2020 02:41:20 pm
      Is it right that we could get Thiago on a free in January? Or is it only that we can agree the transfer but would need to take place next summer?

      Think it’s the latter and wonder whether we might go down that route instead.

      Its the latter, but Bayern know that if they don't sell him by October then they lose him on a free next summer, gives us some leverage especially if Gini signs a new contract.
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      Reply #582: Sep 11, 2020 02:42:08 pm
      Is it right that we could get Thiago on a free in January? Or is it only that we can agree the transfer but would need to take place next summer?

      Think it’s the latter and wonder whether we might go down that route instead.

      Yeah it's the latter

      Hes out of contract next summer so can talk to teams outside of germany and agree a future move from January onwards

      Personally think it's this summer or not at all though, he has his mind made up to move this summer, by all accounts anyway
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      Reply #583: Sep 11, 2020 02:45:50 pm
      Yeah it's the latter

      Hes out of contract next summer so can talk to teams outside of germany and agree a future move from January onwards

      Personally think it's this summer or not at all though, he has his mind made up to move this summer, by all accounts anyway
      Yeah thought it was. I just have a feeling that both players stay at there respective clubs and Gini goes elsewhere next year on a free and we replace him with Thiago, also on a free.
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      Reply #584: Sep 11, 2020 02:47:54 pm
      Yeah thought it was. I just have a feeling that both players stay at there respective clubs and Gini goes elsewhere next year on a free and we replace him with Thiago, also on a free.

      To be honest I dont see any way we get Thiago truth be told.
      He earns over 200k a week right now, that's a higher basic than any player in our squad and 130+ a week over who he would replace

      Pipe dream if you ask me personally, I can't see us smashing our wage structure for him
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #585: Sep 11, 2020 03:25:34 pm
      Did I miss something?  Has Gini signed a new contract?

      Jürgen in his presser today said everything is fine and basically implied that he's staying.
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #586: Sep 11, 2020 03:51:42 pm
      To be honest I dont see any way we get Thiago truth be told.
      He earns over 200k a week right now, that's a higher basic than any player in our squad and 130+ a week over who he would replace

      Pipe dream if you ask me personally, I can't see us smashing our wage structure for him

      He'd be on a similar contract to everyone else, lower basic but more bonuses.
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      Reply #587: Sep 11, 2020 04:00:09 pm
      He'd be on a similar contract to everyone else, lower basic but more bonuses.

      Very much doubt he'd take a wage cut to join
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      Reply #588: Sep 11, 2020 04:15:57 pm
      Did I miss something?  Has Gini signed a new contract?

      Talks yesterday between the club and Gini reported as positive.
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      Reply #589: Sep 11, 2020 04:30:43 pm
      Maybe it’s because I’ll never even dream of making what they make a week in a year, but I never get the wage thing when it comes to players... this isn’t aimed at Thiago, just in general, but if I was on 200k a week, but wanted to join another club, and they offered let’s say, 160k... in the mind of my little low income brain now, I’d take it... you literally make more money than you can spend, even at 160k...
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      Reply #590: Sep 11, 2020 04:32:50 pm
      Maybe it’s because I’ll never even dream of making what they make a week in a year, but I never get the wage thing when it comes to players... this isn’t aimed at Thiago, just in general, but if I was on 200k a week, but wanted to join another club, and they offered let’s say, 160k... in the mind of my little low income brain now, I’d take it... you literally make more money than you can spend, even at 160k...

      It's all relative

      If now you earn 20k a year
      Not sure youd take a job on 12k a year

      People live within their means
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      Reply #591: Sep 11, 2020 04:33:43 pm
      It's all relative

      If now you earn 20k a year
      Not sure youd take a job on 12k a year

      People live within their means

      Especially if your lifestyle is built around a £20K salary.
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      Reply #592: Sep 11, 2020 04:36:05 pm
      It's all relative

      If now you earn 20k a year
      Not sure youd take a job on 12k a year

      People live within their means

      Yeah I get that, and maybe it’s because it is a dream to me, but surely there’s a limit to what you can physically spend a week when you get to those crazy wages? Especially footballers who seem to be either at training or posting a image of them playing Fifa to Instagram? xD
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      Reply #593: Sep 11, 2020 04:48:06 pm
      Yeah I get that, and maybe it’s because it is a dream to me, but surely there’s a limit to what you can physically spend a week when you get to those crazy wages? Especially footballers who seem to be either at training or posting a image of them playing Fifa to Instagram? xD

      But they may have designs on providing for their families as well, parents etc etc

      They know they're done by mid 30s, they may want to set up their families for life
      They also have to think of agents %

      Doesnt matter what you earn really, it's all relative

      When you say he really wants to join us... for the right deal I'm sure he does but I'm sure there are a fair few clubs whod want him and offer him what he wants

      Hes also got a year to run on his current deal, guaranteed money that, hed literally be giving money away to take less now
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      Reply #594: Sep 11, 2020 04:55:10 pm
      Yeah I get that, and maybe it’s because it is a dream to me, but surely there’s a limit to what you can physically spend a week when you get to those crazy wages? Especially footballers who seem to be either at training or posting a image of them playing Fifa to Instagram? xD

      Their toys cost more than our toys cost. So do their vacations and homes. That’s the rub. I agree with you to an extent but once they get used it that life that’s their normal.
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      Reply #595: Sep 11, 2020 06:42:00 pm
      It's all relative

      If now you earn 20k a year
      Not sure youd take a job on 12k a year

      People live within their means

      Crap example, as the less you earn the bigger the impact of any cut is, in reality 160k per week for 3 years is more than enough to live a life of luxury for now and the future. All these players are multi Millionaires with more money than they or their immediate families can spend. They can buy a new luxury apartment, cash, every quarter and after retiring live like Kings off a huge portfolio.
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      Reply #596: Sep 11, 2020 06:43:35 pm
      Crap example, as the less you earn the bigger the impact of any cut is, in reality 160k per week for 3 years is more than enough to live a life of luxury for now and the future. All these players are multi Millionaires with more money than they or their immediate families can spend. They can buy a new luxury apartment, cash, every quarter and after retiring live like Kings off a huge portfolio.

      It's not a crap example, it's literally how it works

      People live within their means

      Simple really and if you cant see it you're either being deliberately obtuse or unintentionally obtuse

      I'm not sure which is worse
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      Reply #597: Sep 11, 2020 08:40:46 pm
      Did I miss something?  Has Gini signed a new contract?

      Sounds like its getting close.
      And if the deal gets done, can't see us signing Thiago.
      Also think Gini starts tomorrow.
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #598: Sep 11, 2020 08:49:39 pm
      Sounds like its getting close.

      Does it? I’ve not seen anything that’s any more reliable than the reports saying he was possibly on his way out the door.

      Reports saying a meeting between Klopp and Gini went well. Like hell would anybody, don’t care who they are; Pearce, Reddy, Romano or whoever, there is no way any details of how a private meeting between Klopp and a player would get leaked/passed on.
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      Re: Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich)
      Reply #599: Sep 11, 2020 09:13:05 pm
      If Wijnaldum was going to sign another deal here I reckon it would Have been done already. Club wouldn’t want to leave it this late. He will be here at most one more year. So that will add to the list of players we need to add by next summer (CB, F and now M).

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