Kostas Tsimikas Player Thread (D)

Today Kostas played like he looks.

There is a reason why he can't compete with Robertson

Hopefully Joe was a stomach issue because he needs to be fit to cover Robbo not Trent

Today was the day where Kostas shows up and stakes his claim...maybe he scores, maybe he assists, maybe he has a few chances and we all debate does he start ahead of Robbo, Greek captain or Scottish captain.....instead we got absolutely zero, looked clueless, scared actually at times...no leadership no drive...nothing

Sealed his fate today I would imagine with the boss

Hopefully Joe was a stomach issue because he needs to be fit to cover Robbo not Trent

Today was the day where Kostas shows up and stakes his claim...maybe he scores, maybe he assists, maybe he has a few chances and we all debate does he start ahead of Robbo, Greek captain or Scottish captain.....instead we got absolutely zero, looked clueless, scared actually at times...no leadership no drive...nothing

Sealed his fate today I would imagine with the boss

Agreed mate, he's a goner in the Summer.

I'll post this bit  in Tsimikas thread but I think it's relevant to a lot of the players yesterday-
I don't think we can judge a player on 1 performance. Everyone will have a bad day, even world class players like Salah, Allison and Virgil. Trent had a stinker against Man U but has been playing well since then. We have a long season and we can't expect everyone to be getting 8, 9 or 10/10 every time they are on the pitch. The players who perform to a very high standard almost every week are the world class players, everyone else will have periods of good performances and periods when they are out of form, below what we expect from them.
If we take 11 squad players who have not played together in a competitive game before and send them out for a tough away game they are more likely to have bad games.

Having said that, I don't think any of us should have an unrealistic opinion of Tsimikas. He's a decent backup for Robbo but not someone we can rely on as a 1st 11 player in a premier league and Champions league campaign. I like him as a person, he appears to be emotionally attached to the club and fans. He always appears to give 100% effort and never hides. He continued to step up and offer to take corners and free kicks when the whole team was having a shocker yesterday.
He's sat on the bench now for a few seasons, never complained publicly and generally has been ok when he's had the opportunity to play.

Robbo has generally been able to play almost every game for a long time now. I think we are starting to see a change in that consistency as he gets older. That's understandable and happens to everyone. We have a decision to make in the summer. We need a new LB who can take over as the starting LB, maybe not immediately from August but there will be a period of transition. I'm not saying Robbo is finished just that he is coming into his final years as a top level player. If Robbo is happy to gradually hand over to the new guy and spend more time sitting on the bench he'll stay. But he might want to move on and maybe Tsimikas stays to be number 2 to the new guy.

It's difficult to get a good quality backup willing to sit on the bench. Neco Williams left, Kelleher stayed for a few years but will probably leave in the summer.
Tsimikas has given some of his best years to the club, obviously he's been well paid to sit on the bench but he appears to be an honest, hard working professional footballer. He's a very good player, just not good enough to be a starter for an elite level club like Liverpool
 
I can understand why people get emotional and want to abuse and criticise players but I think he'll deserve our respect when he leaves.

I'll post this bit  in Tsimikas thread but I think it's relevant to a lot of the players yesterday-
I don't think we can judge a player on 1 performance. Everyone will have a bad day, even world class players like Salah, Allison and Virgil. Trent had a stinker against Man U but has been playing well since then. We have a long season and we can't expect everyone to be getting 8, 9 or 10/10 every time they are on the pitch. The players who perform to a very high standard almost every week are the world class players, everyone else will have periods of good performances and periods when they are out of form, below what we expect from them.
If we take 11 squad players who have not played together in a competitive game before and send them out for a tough away game they are more likely to have bad games.

Having said that, I don't think any of us should have an unrealistic opinion of Tsimikas. He's a decent backup for Robbo but not someone we can rely on as a 1st 11 player in a premier league and Champions league campaign. I like him as a person, he appears to be emotionally attached to the club and fans. He always appears to give 100% effort and never hides. He continued to step up and offer to take corners and free kicks when the whole team was having a shocker yesterday.
He's sat on the bench now for a few seasons, never complained publicly and generally has been ok when he's had the opportunity to play.

Robbo has generally been able to play almost every game for a long time now. I think we are starting to see a change in that consistency as he gets older. That's understandable and happens to everyone. We have a decision to make in the summer. We need a new LB who can take over as the starting LB, maybe not immediately from August but there will be a period of transition. I'm not saying Robbo is finished just that he is coming into his final years as a top level player. If Robbo is happy to gradually hand over to the new guy and spend more time sitting on the bench he'll stay. But he might want to move on and maybe Tsimikas stays to be number 2 to the new guy.

It's difficult to get a good quality backup willing to sit on the bench. Neco Williams left, Kelleher stayed for a few years but will probably leave in the summer.
Tsimikas has given some of his best years to the club, obviously he's been well paid to sit on the bench but he appears to be an honest, hard working professional footballer. He's a very good player, just not good enough to be a starter for an elite level club like Liverpool
 
I can understand why people get emotional and want to abuse and criticise players but I think he'll deserve our respect when he leaves.

Very good post

I think left back will arrive in the summer and it will be Kostas that will leave , Robbo I think we be ok to stay around and support

I'll post this bit  in Tsimikas thread but I think it's relevant to a lot of the players yesterday-
I don't think we can judge a player on 1 performance. Everyone will have a bad day, even world class players like Salah, Allison and Virgil. Trent had a stinker against Man U but has been playing well since then. We have a long season and we can't expect everyone to be getting 8, 9 or 10/10 every time they are on the pitch. The players who perform to a very high standard almost every week are the world class players, everyone else will have periods of good performances and periods when they are out of form, below what we expect from them.
If we take 11 squad players who have not played together in a competitive game before and send them out for a tough away game they are more likely to have bad games.

Having said that, I don't think any of us should have an unrealistic opinion of Tsimikas. He's a decent backup for Robbo but not someone we can rely on as a 1st 11 player in a premier league and Champions league campaign. I like him as a person, he appears to be emotionally attached to the club and fans. He always appears to give 100% effort and never hides. He continued to step up and offer to take corners and free kicks when the whole team was having a shocker yesterday.
He's sat on the bench now for a few seasons, never complained publicly and generally has been ok when he's had the opportunity to play.

Robbo has generally been able to play almost every game for a long time now. I think we are starting to see a change in that consistency as he gets older. That's understandable and happens to everyone. We have a decision to make in the summer. We need a new LB who can take over as the starting LB, maybe not immediately from August but there will be a period of transition. I'm not saying Robbo is finished just that he is coming into his final years as a top level player. If Robbo is happy to gradually hand over to the new guy and spend more time sitting on the bench he'll stay. But he might want to move on and maybe Tsimikas stays to be number 2 to the new guy.

It's difficult to get a good quality backup willing to sit on the bench. Neco Williams left, Kelleher stayed for a few years but will probably leave in the summer.
Tsimikas has given some of his best years to the club, obviously he's been well paid to sit on the bench but he appears to be an honest, hard working professional footballer. He's a very good player, just not good enough to be a starter for an elite level club like Liverpool
 
I can understand why people get emotional and want to abuse and criticise players but I think he'll deserve our respect when he leaves.

Fair play but in the case of Kostas, hand on heart, in all his time here when has he really made you feel like were in good hands here

How many times does he drive at opponents with the ball? How many times does he go in and take a ball of a winger with great tackles perfectly timed? How many times does he getinto an area to be a danger and when he does how many times does he have a shot let alone work the keeper?

Initially I thought at least hes on the money with corners. That soon vanished.....likeable guy but in truth hes at nothing and brings nothing. Actually looks terrified or that he doesnt belong out on the pitch at that level

Hes here a good while and has not really moved in, regressed if anything

Would much rather Joe cover Robbo, except hes fooked more often then not

Very good post

I think left back will arrive in the summer and it will be Kostas that will leave , Robbo I think we be ok to stay around and support

That's how I see it as well. And that's what I'd like to see.

Kostas has on occasion looked like a player who 'could' kick on and really cement his place but too many times he's also then proven he maybe isn't exactly what we need as the starter LB.

If the club receive suitable offers for both Robbo and Kostas, they should look to move both on. Neither are top class, when Robbo plays there isn't a lot that comes from him, when Kostas plays he tends to do ok for a back up option but then games like yesterday remind you how bad he can be.

15-20m for Kostas and 10-15m for Robbo.

Sign Kerkez for 40m and have a good look at Beck in pre-season.

If the club receive suitable offers for both Robbo and Kostas, they should look to move both on. Neither are top class, when Robbo plays there isn't a lot that comes from him, when Kostas plays he tends to do ok for a back up option but then games like yesterday remind you how bad he can be.

15-20m for Kostas and 10-15m for Robbo.

Sign Kerkez for 40m and have a good look at Beck in pre-season.

Moving both on would be ridiculously stupid.

It's not Fifa Ultimate team or whatever it's called now on the playstation

If the club receive suitable offers for both Robbo and Kostas, they should look to move both on. Neither are top class, when Robbo plays there isn't a lot that comes from him, when Kostas plays he tends to do ok for a back up option but then games like yesterday remind you how bad he can be.

15-20m for Kostas and 10-15m for Robbo.

Sign Kerkez for 40m and have a good look at Beck in pre-season.

It’s like playing FIFA at times with some

The club aren’t going to sell both LBs in the same summer

Moving both on would be ridiculously stupid.

It's not Fifa Ultimate team or whatever it's called now on the playstation

Why though if neither are at the required level? It feels like we’ve been under a transfer embargo the last 3 years with how inactive we’ve been, we need to get a move on if we want to remain competitive for the next 5 years. That means out with the old and in with the new.

Why though if neither are at the required level? It feels like we’ve been under a transfer embargo the last 3 years with how inactive we’ve been, we need to get a move on if we want to remain competitive for the next 5 years. That means out with the old and in with the new.

Robertson is very much of the required level just lost a yard and getting older. Perfectly fine as back up playing X amount of games a season.

The need to sell and buy players from you guys doesn't override running a club sensibly.

Why though if neither are at the required level? It feels like we’ve been under a transfer embargo the last 3 years with how inactive we’ve been, we need to get a move on if we want to remain competitive for the next 5 years. That means out with the old and in with the new.

Robbo is still at the required level

How can we be under a transfer embargo in the last 3 years when in that period we signed

Nunez
Gakpo
Carvahlo
Ramsey
Bajcetic
McAllister
Szoboszlai
Gravenburch
Endo
Doak
Chiesa
Marmadashvilli

Think it will likely be Kostas moved on in the summer with a young player brought in to rotate with Robbo. Would make the most sense to me. Robbo's form in the last few games has been much more solid and consistent and I'm confident if his minutes are managed carefully he can still produce for a little while yet.

If the club receive suitable offers for both Robbo and Kostas, they should look to move both on. Neither are top class, when Robbo plays there isn't a lot that comes from him, when Kostas plays he tends to do ok for a back up option but then games like yesterday remind you how bad he can be.

15-20m for Kostas and 10-15m for Robbo.

Sign Kerkez for 40m and have a good look at Beck in pre-season.

This cracks me up.

I agree Robbo's assists have slowed as the team setup has changed - he doesn't overlap because Gakpo / Diaz play much wider than Mane plus he sits more as Trent wanders......

That said he's only about 3 behind TAA and he's played a season and a half in the middle.

Getting rid of him - especially for someone as raw as Kerkez would be mad.

I expect us to sign Hato and see some sharing of the labour next season.

Robbo is still at the required level

How can we be under a transfer embargo in the last 3 years when in that period we signed

Nunez
Gakpo
Carvahlo
Ramsey
Bajcetic
McAllister
Szoboszlai
Gravenburch
Endo
Doak
Chiesa
Marmadashvilli

Mate. It's a f***in' echo chamber.

This cracks me up.

I agree Robbo's assists have slowed as the team setup has changed - he doesn't overlap because Gakpo / Diaz play much wider than Mane plus he sits more as Trent wanders......

That said he's only about 3 behind TAA and he's played a season and a half in the middle.

Getting rid of him - especially for someone as raw as Kerkez would be mad.

I expect us to sign Hato and see some sharing of the labour next season.

He's not "only about 3 behind Trent" so I don't know where you're getting that from, but forget the assists for a minute because that's not so important now as you've pointed out the setup has changed which means his role in the team has changed, he's simply not good enough with the ball to build up from the back when he makes the extra CB, we can all see it. Defensively we've seen more individual errors from him the last 6 months than we have the previous 6 years.

The guy used to be the best LB in the world, outright. Now? Now I could name 3-4 better LB's in the Prem alone. I get it's difficult to admit because he's a club legend but I have no issue stating that he's no longer at the required level and that's through no fault of his own, that's father time catching up.

Robertson is very much of the required level just lost a yard and getting older. Perfectly fine as back up playing X amount of games a season.

The need to sell and buy players from you guys doesn't override running a club sensibly.

I don't get the sentiment that some have that we can afford to offload 6 or 7 (or more) players in a window. It's hard enough to find 3 or 4 really good signings in a window, much less try to replace 6 or 7 players. I'm with you, I think we bring in a younger, talented LB and manage Robbo's time. Kostas may be the odd man out in that situation but in no universe do you sell both of your LBs in the same window.

I don't get the sentiment that some have that we can afford to offload 6 or 7 (or more) players in a window. It's hard enough to find 3 or 4 really good signings in a window, much less try to replace 6 or 7 players. I'm with you, I think we bring in a younger, talented LB and manage Robbo's time. Kostas may be the odd man out in that situation but in no universe do you sell both of your LBs in the same window.

I'm not saying this because I'm a robbo Homer, but rather because hes just much better than Kostas. You cant sell both, as you have said, and in no world is Tsimkas better than Robbo. Sell Tsimikas for whatever you can and bring in a new LB. Robbo can come off the bench and play a big role behind the scenes. I think next year is his last year anyway. Let him help the team as a leader and squad player and then let him go to Celtic for his swan song.

He's still okay for me Tsimi.

He's not "only about 3 behind Trent" so I don't know where you're getting that from, but forget the assists for a minute because that's not so important now as you've pointed out the setup has changed which means his role in the team has changed, he's simply not good enough with the ball to build up from the back when he makes the extra CB, we can all see it. Defensively we've seen more individual errors from him the last 6 months than we have the previous 6 years.

The guy used to be the best LB in the world, outright. Now? Now I could name 3-4 better LB's in the Prem alone. I get it's difficult to admit because he's a club legend but I have no issue stating that he's no longer at the required level and that's through no fault of his own, that's father time catching up.

5 behind in EPL. I stand corrected.

Otherwise everything I said stands. He's not been anywhere near as bad as some suggest and his last 18 months been hampered by injuries and no pre-season.

Plenty left and getting rid of would be insane. But hey we all love playing fantasy football or FIFA eh.......

Daft.

Worst I have seen him, couldn’t put a cross in to save his life, can’t be near a first team start