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      Who's the best? Ronaldo or Messi.

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      Keith Singleton
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      Who's the best? Ronaldo or Messi.
      Aug 15, 2020 06:59:27 am

      Can't find a thread for this mods but by all means move it if there is one.

      Do you know we've had debate over the years who is best? Ronaldo or Messi? I've changed my mind so many times. One min I think Messi and then Ronoaldo based on who had the better season. Now ive come to the conclusion ( and many will disagree ) it's defenitly Ronaldo, and here's why.

      Ok we know Messi had has one more ( 6 )Ballon d'or than Ronaldo (5) you could argue during seasons 2009/10/11/12 that Messi was the best and somethng that many would agree on.

      However, over the last 7 years Ronaldo has won it 4 times compared to Messi 2.

      This is the difference for me that make Ronaldo the greatest player in the world, well at least at the moment till things may change Again.

      Ronaldo has done it in Spain, Italy, Portugal & England. More importantly he's been a success every club where he's played for, let's not forget he played in some inferior teams when you compare them with messi. He's been successful on the biggest stage of the world in the World Cup.

      Where has Messi done. it? Basically only ever played for one club in the world ( Spain ) Barcalona. He's never done it in the world club even though some of that's down to them not having a great side.

      It's well advertised the hardest league in the world to win in is the Premier League. He's never played against our boys. Being at Barcalona week in week out he's playing against inferior opposition and surrounded totally buy world class players in Barcalona. No wonder he's scoring all the time with players like that round him. Ronaldo has never had that luxury and always done it the hard way..

      No.... For me Ronaldo over the last ten years deserves to be named the greatest player in the world. It's now official  ;D

      Before voting remember Ronaldo not a Manc anymore so don't let it sway your rose tinted glasses..
      Please express opinion but not with one word answers  :lmao:

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      Re: Who's the best? Ronaldo or Messi.
      Reply #1: Aug 15, 2020 09:42:11 am
      I don’t get why it matters that Messi has only played in Spain because he’s played against the Premier Leagues “big 6” 33 times and scored 26 goals, which I believe is 1 goal less than Hazard managed in 80+ games and a much better goal ratio than what Ronaldo has managed. Messi has scored lots of goals against English teams, German teams and generally against teams from every nation he comes up against so I think that’s a pretty good indication that he’d have been a success in other leagues.

      I’d also argue that Ronaldo going to Italy he’s been less of a success, his goals have been less and Juventus have actually been worse off since signing him. That’s not to say Ronaldo hasn’t done well in Italy, more that he’s not really added anything to their team that they didn’t already have or what they could’ve gotten from another player.

      Balon d’or isn’t a great way to judge it, there’s been a few now that Messi and Ronaldo shouldn’t have won, there’s been years that they really shouldn’t have won it but because they won a certain trophy, it basically went hand in hand.

      For me Messi is the better of the two and it’s much more natural for him where as Ronaldo has to work like crazy to be at that level. What I would say favours Ronaldo though is his attitude, he has a far better attitude than Messi, I don’t think Ronaldo would ever retire from International football but Messi has retired 2 or 3 times now on the back of his side losing a match. Messi has become very ‘Messi FC’ and if it’s not going his way he will throw his toys out the pram as if it’s a given right that he should be on the winning team. Ronaldo always looks as though he would die trying to salvage something for his team and I don’t think you’d have seen him casually strolling around like Messi was against Bayern and has done plenty of times because he’s losing.

      It’s a debate that nobody will ever agree on.
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      Reply #2: Aug 15, 2020 04:31:19 pm
      Messi obviously. It's not close, it's not a debate. Any comparison is insulting. If someone wanted to argue for Pele, for Maradonna, for George Best, for Cruyf, for Michael Laudrup, for the original Ronaldo then I would entertain it. I think Messi is better than all of them, but I could appreciate the one arguing for them at least has some level of aesthetic.

      Messi is infinitely better than Ronaldo in every aspect of the game except heading and narcissism.
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      Reply #3: Aug 15, 2020 04:46:40 pm
      It’s certainly close enough to warrant a discussion and anyone that thinks otherwise is having a laugh.

      As much as I hate to say it, it’s probably Messi but I will say that if I had to choose between the two, I’d probably take Ronaldo. As big of a douchebag as he can seem to be, I just get this weird vibe about Messi and I feel like he’s an even bigger douchebag but he gets a pass because he’s a little guy that is ridiculously good in spite of being physically disadvantaged.

      Like KK said, he seems like ant everything to go his way and if it doesn’t, he tosses out his toys and sulks. Ronaldo is an amazing physical specimen and his physical abilities are freakin ridiculous.

      I do agree with the assertion that Messi has been so good for so long partly due to being in an easier league all his career. Two seasons of wear and tear in the EPL is probably like 5 or 6 in La Liga. Sure he can perform against the big six, but what about having to play them plus the Stokes and Burnley’s and all the other teams that beat the hell out of you week in and week out? He’s a player that thrives on getting the benefit of officials calls and being “protected”. Just look at how he handled himself against us when Robbo was winding him up. He doesn’t like confrontation and I believe Ronaldo doesn’t have a problem with that side of the game at all.

      I really just don’t like Messi very much but as much as I may waffle about his legacy, I wouldn’t argue with someone saying he’s the best ever.
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      Reply #4: Aug 15, 2020 05:24:50 pm
      Messi obviously. It's not close, it's not a debate. Any comparison is insulting. If someone wanted to argue for Pele, for Maradonna, for George Best, for Cruyf, for Michael Laudrup, for the original Ronaldo then I would entertain it. I think Messi is better than all of them, but I could appreciate the one arguing for them at least has some level of aesthetic.

      Messi is infinitely better than Ronaldo in every aspect of the game except heading and narcissism.

      For you to say it's not even close tells me your not very knowledgeable  about football, but hey!, we all have a opinion.  :D
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      Reply #5: Aug 15, 2020 05:36:01 pm
      It’s certainly close enough to warrant a discussion and anyone that thinks otherwise is having a laugh.

      As much as I hate to say it, it’s probably Messi but I will say that if I had to choose between the two, I’d probably take Ronaldo. As big of a douchebag as he can seem to be, I just get this weird vibe about Messi and I feel like he’s an even bigger douchebag but he gets a pass because he’s a little guy that is ridiculously good in spite of being physically disadvantaged.

      Like KK said, he seems like ant everything to go his way and if it doesn’t, he tosses out his toys and sulks. Ronaldo is an amazing physical specimen and his physical abilities are freakin ridiculous.

      I do agree with the assertion that Messi has been so good for so long partly due to being in an easier league all his career. Two seasons of wear and tear in the EPL is probably like 5 or 6 in La Liga. Sure he can perform against the big six, but what about having to play them plus the Stokes and Burnley’s and all the other teams that beat the hell out of you week in and week out? He’s a player that thrives on getting the benefit of officials calls and being “protected”. Just look at how he handled himself against us when Robbo was winding him up. He doesn’t like confrontation and I believe Ronaldo doesn’t have a problem with that side of the game at all.

      I really just don’t like Messi very much but as much as I may waffle about his legacy, I wouldn’t argue with someone saying he’s the best ever.

      A lot more balanced /sensible post and and agree with many points, it is very debatable hence why I ask.
      Fundamentally for me the two biggest points are like we've discussed. He's not done it in the hardest league in the world, not for a second I'm saying he wouldn't. However, there's always that element of doubt until he does which is extremely unlikely now.

      F**k it! Let him come to United for his swan song years and I'll probably chance my mind.  ;D Also not forgetting the reason why he's scored so many goals is that he's be surrounded by world class players most of his life.

      Good post FL Red
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      Re: Who's the best? Ronaldo or Messi.
      Reply #6: Aug 15, 2020 05:42:22 pm
      Heimdall take your rose tinted glasses  off for a second and tell me your views.  ;D
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      Reply #7: Aug 15, 2020 05:55:39 pm
      Heimdall take your rose tinted glasses  off for a second and tell me your views.  ;D

      Blimey if I get called out like that then I have to answer.

      In my opinion it has to be Ronaldo, he is the superior athlete and the more complete footballer. Ronaldo can score with either foot and is excellent in the air as well. The other factor which tilts it in Ronaldo's favour is that he can inspire a team much more than Messi can, Portugal's recent success is largely down to Ronaldo adding that extra bit of a magic to a good team, can the same be said of Messi at Argentina?

      I also agree with the original post which pointed out that Ronaldo has won in multiple leagues and multiple teams, that is far more impressive than someone who just stayed in one dominant team his whole career playing against mostly weak opponents week in week out.
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      Reply #8: Aug 15, 2020 06:00:56 pm
      Blimey if I get called out like that then I have to answer.

      In my opinion it has to be Ronaldo, he is the superior athlete and the more complete footballer. Ronaldo can score with either foot and is excellent in the air as well. The other factor which tilts it in Ronaldo's favour is that he can inspire a team much more than Messi can, Portugal's recent success is largely down to Ronaldo adding that extra bit of a magic to a good team, can the same be said of Messi at Argentina?

      I also agree with the original post which pointed out that Ronaldo has won in multiple leagues and multiple teams, that is far more impressive than someone who just stayed in one dominant team his whole career playing against mostly weak opponents week in week out.

      Yes but Ronaldo has played at three different clubs who were all dominant in their leagues at those times so it's 6 in 1 in that regard.

      Messi is the better, more skillful, more intelligent, more well rounded footballer but is not as physically impressive as Ronaldo. In terms of goal scoring Ronaldo is a power striker while Messi is a finesse striker.
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      Reply #9: Aug 15, 2020 06:06:15 pm
      Yes but Ronaldo has played at three different clubs who were all dominant in their leagues at those times so it's 6 in 1 in that regard.

      Messi is the better, more skillful, more intelligent, more well rounded footballer but is not as physically impressive as Ronaldo. In terms of goal scoring Ronaldo is a power striker while Messi is a finesse striker.

      So who's better, its not quite clear from your post. The fact that all Ronaldo's teams were dominant is kind of irrelevant, and also not entirely true in the case of Man Utd who may have won the league but were never totally dominant, Ronaldo has shown he can adapt to other teams and leagues whilst maintaining incredible consistency.

      End of the day they are both superb players, Messi more a magician in terms of skill, Ronaldo just a textbook forward in every regard.  If  I had the choice I'd pick Ronaldo every day to be in my team.
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      Reply #10: Aug 15, 2020 06:19:22 pm
      Messi is the best player I've ever seen kick a ball. Not my favourite - even taking away Liverpool players I enjoyed watching Maradona and Brazillian Ronaldo more but as a player I do think he's the greatest ever.

      I don't buy this 'only done it one league' narrative. I think it's something that's purely been created to increase Ronaldo's stock and knock Messi down. I've never heard anyone talk about that kind of stuff until very recently. Are you saying that somone like Maldini is a lesser centre half than some others because he never left Milan? It seems a bit odd that we slaughter players for not showing loyalty yet we are using the one club man thing against someone?

      I disagree with anyone saying it isn't close though. Ronaldo was born with less talent but the way he has dedicated himself to becoming one of the all time greats is absolutely incredible. If I was coaching a young player I'd be telling them to model themselves on the way Ronaldo has achieved his success for sure.

      That being said, I just feel Messi has the edge. He's as good as anyone when dribbling, he's as good as anyone passing in the final third, he's as good as anyone in front of goal and he's as good as anyone over a free kick. That whole package makes him number one.
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      Reply #11: Aug 15, 2020 06:59:53 pm
      Blimey if I get called out like that then I have to answer.

      In my opinion it has to be Ronaldo, he is the superior athlete and the more complete footballer. Ronaldo can score with either foot and is excellent in the air as well. The other factor which tilts it in Ronaldo's favour is that he can inspire a team much more than Messi can, Portugal's recent success is largely down to Ronaldo adding that extra bit of a magic to a good team, can the same be said of Messi at Argentina?

      I also agree with the original post which pointed out that Ronaldo has won in multiple leagues and multiple teams, that is far more impressive than someone who just stayed in one dominant team his whole career playing against mostly weak opponents week in week out.

      Don't think you even had your glasses on with this post   ;D
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      Reply #12: Aug 15, 2020 07:05:53 pm
      Don't think you even had your glasses on with this post   ;D

      I'm not as blinkered as some think, I appreciate great football, even from Man Utd. When that great football is from Liverpool though, it's nirvana :-)
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      Reply #13: Aug 15, 2020 07:06:37 pm
      Yes but Ronaldo has played at three different clubs who were all dominant in their leagues at those times so it's 6 in 1 in that regard.

      Messi is the better, more skillful, more intelligent, more well rounded footballer but is not as physically impressive as Ronaldo. In terms of goal scoring Ronaldo is a power striker while Messi is a finesse striker.

      I go along with Messi being the more skilful player as one of his + over Ronaldo. Just as Ronaldo will have a bigger + over Messi in the air.  This is why it's just so debatable who is best and why it would be close. I'd still take whoever second best anyway,  especially at their peak.  ;D Mind you, they've been at peak between the pair of them over ten years. Phenomenal is the only word I discripe for both players.
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      Reply #14: Aug 15, 2020 07:08:22 pm
      I'm not as blinkered as some think, I appreciate great football, even from Man Utd. When that great football is from Liverpool though, it's nirvana :-)

      Very good  ;D
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      Reply #15: Aug 15, 2020 07:26:39 pm
      For you to say it's not even close tells me your not very knowledgeable  about football, but hey!, we all have a opinion.  :D

      No, I'm right. In a way people can argue about why they prefer Nadal over Federer, Borg over McEnroe but they can only justify it terms of achievement. It's bricklayers v artists, perfect robots v creative genius. People who prefer Ronaldo and the former in the examples given have bags of dust where there should be a soul.
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      Reply #16: Aug 15, 2020 07:33:16 pm
      No, I'm right. In a way people can argue about why they prefer Nadal over Federer, Borg over McEnroe but they can only justify it terms of achievement. It's bricklayers v artists, perfect robots v creative genius. People who prefer Ronaldo and the former in the examples given have bags of dust where there should be a soul.

      No your wrong, but your right about Nadal & Federer as it is with Borg & McEnroe  ;D  All played in my era and great players too. Please don't ask me to pick who's best out of them lot though.  ;D
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      Reply #17: Aug 15, 2020 07:39:46 pm
      No your wrong, but your right about Nadal & Federer as it is with Borg & McEnroe  ;D  All played in my era and great players too. Please don't ask me to pick who's best out of them lot though.  ;D

      Can't you see why people who like Ronaldo, or think it's close, is like preferring Borg over McEnroe? It's a matter of aesthetics, of beauty.
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      Reply #18: Aug 15, 2020 07:40:50 pm
      So who's better, its not quite clear from your post. The fact that all Ronaldo's teams were dominant is kind of irrelevant, and also not entirely true in the case of Man Utd who may have won the league but were never totally dominant, Ronaldo has shown he can adapt to other teams and leagues whilst maintaining incredible consistency.

      End of the day they are both superb players, Messi more a magician in terms of skill, Ronaldo just a textbook forward in every regard.  If  I had the choice I'd pick Ronaldo every day to be in my team.

      Messi has always edged it for me purely because he is more versatile and creative than Ronaldo.

      If I had to pick one to fit our style best it would be Messi without question.
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      Reply #19: Aug 15, 2020 09:11:06 pm

      To be honest, same here. Like I said previously, I think Messi’s attitude stinks if he’s not winning, maybe because he had so much success of winning virtually everything for a number of years with the likes of Xavi and Iniesta. I think when the game is against you, Ronaldo is the player I’d want now; like Juve the other day, they were crap but he nearly pulled them through to the next round. But Messi just strolls around the pitch as if to say “I deserve better than this”.
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      Reply #20: Aug 15, 2020 09:40:08 pm
      To be honest, same here. Like I said previously, I think Messi’s attitude stinks if he’s not winning, maybe because he had so much success of winning virtually everything for a number of years with the likes of Xavi and Iniesta. I think when the game is against you, Ronaldo is the player I’d want now; like Juve the other day, they were crap but he nearly pulled them through to the next round. But Messi just strolls around the pitch as if to say “I deserve better than this”.

      Agree, Ronaldo is far more inspiring as a player than Messi imo. His attitude is absolutely incredible and he refuses to lose, there’s been loads of times he’s done it but what comes to mind for me is when he scored a hat trick vs Spain in (I think) Euro 2020.

      Saying that, Messi is a better natural player and will go down as possibly the greatest ever but I’ve a lot more respect for Ronaldo due to the lengths he’s gone to in order to get where he is today.
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      Reply #21: Aug 15, 2020 09:47:25 pm
      Can't find a thread for this mods but by all means move it if there is one.

      Do you know we've had debate over the years who is best? Ronaldo or Messi? I've changed my mind so many times. One min I think Messi and then Ronoaldo based on who had the better season. Now ive come to the conclusion ( and many will disagree ) it's defenitly Ronaldo, and here's why.

      Ok we know Messi had has one more ( 6 )Ballon d'or than Ronaldo (5) you could argue during seasons 2009/10/11/12 that Messi was the best and somethng that many would agree on.

      However, over the last 7 years Ronaldo has won it 4 times compared to Messi 2.

      This is the difference for me that make Ronaldo the greatest player in the world, well at least at the moment till things may change Again.

      Ronaldo has done it in Spain, Italy, Portugal & England. More importantly he's been a success every club where he's played for, let's not forget he played in some inferior teams when you compare them with messi. He's been successful on the biggest stage of the world in the World Cup.

      Where has Messi done. it? Basically only ever played for one club in the world ( Spain ) Barcalona. He's never done it in the world club even though some of that's down to them not having a great side.

      It's well advertised the hardest league in the world to win in is the Premier League. He's never played against our boys. Being at Barcalona week in week out he's playing against inferior opposition and surrounded totally buy world class players in Barcalona. No wonder he's scoring all the time with players like that round him. Ronaldo has never had that luxury and always done it the hard way..

      No.... For me Ronaldo over the last ten years deserves to be named the greatest player in the world. It's now official  ;D

      Before voting remember Ronaldo not a Manc anymore so don't let it sway your rose tinted glasses..
      Please express opinion but not with one word answers  :lmao:






      Tough one to call Keith, I was Messi for long enough but I’m starting to sway towards CR7, for me he has been more consistent, he has plied his trade in three of the world’s top leagues albeit Serie A  not as good as La Liga or indeed the EPL, But yet he has adorned all three with aplomb and continues to do so despite being in his twilight years,

      Messi has been the best player ever to have graced the game, however, you can’t say that now, he still has abilities that are far and above your average Joe, but old Father Time along with the weight of pressure he has to endure each and every season is taking its toll,

      We can all admire his loyalties with the Catalans, but there comes a time where as a professional athlete you need to test yourself and have a different challenge, he has left it too late for that now and as we seen last night his impact as a world class individual has considerably waned,

      I like millions of others would liked to have seen him in the EPL, in a environment where his skill would have been brought to the fore, in Spain, if we’re all honest there is only a couple of times a year where he would need his unquavering talent V R Madrid, against anyone else he would be on auto-pilot,

      As far as Cr7 is concerned he did challenge himself, his relatively short spell in Engurland with your lot set him up for his golden years at the Bernabeau, and of course won all there was to win, including all those Balon D’ors, and when that challenge was deemed no longer a challenge headed for the Old Lady of Turin where he continues to astound & amaze,

      Messi May have been at one time the best ever, no one can take that from him, Ronaldo tho has a consistency second to none and has performed at his peak for longer and in different formats, different leagues , different positions etc, that has to have a say in the overall comparison between the two,

      So for me, it’s why I think Cr7 shades it.





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      Re: Who's the best? Ronaldo or Messi.
      Reply #22: Aug 15, 2020 09:52:52 pm
      Messi obviously. It's not close, it's not a debate. Any comparison is insulting. If someone wanted to argue for Pele, for Maradonna, for George Best, for Cruyf, for Michael Laudrup, for the original Ronaldo then I would entertain it. I think Messi is better than all of them, but I could appreciate the one arguing for them at least has some level of aesthetic.

      Messi is infinitely better than Ronaldo in every aspect of the game except heading and narcissism.

      Maradona was better than Messi IMO.

      If I had to chose, I would have Ronaldo as like KK said he’s not such a cry baby as Messi
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      Reply #23: Aug 15, 2020 10:16:31 pm
      Messi by a mile and counting.
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      Reply #24: Aug 16, 2020 12:59:33 am
      Messi by a mile and counting.

      Great analysis 😂
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      Reply #25: Aug 16, 2020 01:12:47 am
      Ronaldo for all the reasons you said, u Manc.

      Now that's more then 1 word.  :action-smiley-055:
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      Reply #26: Aug 16, 2020 05:54:40 am
      To me Messi is a better footballer than Ronaldo. Messi is kinda of throwback player to more skillful and creative type player unlike Ronaldo is what modern footballer with pace and power.

      I think Messi playing in a era where the game is more about pace and players were faster and stronger yet he puts up such insane stats and awards just speaks to how special and unique a talent he was.


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      Reply #27: Aug 16, 2020 06:51:53 am
      Ronaldo for all the reasons you said, u Manc.

      Now that's more then 1 word.  :action-smiley-055:

      You never swore at me in your post. Orrrrrr dat nice.  :lmao: and no pictures either.  ;D  :clap: :holyshit: You've obviously got out the right side of bed this morning, or maybe nite in your case  ;D

      Thank you my bestie  :D
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      Reply #28: Aug 16, 2020 11:23:28 am
      Think Messi is better, best of all time for me. Ronaldo is incredible and in a way you could say that he maybe deserves more respect than Messi, because he's worked, trained and slaved to get to where he is, whereas with Messi it's pretty easy to see that (although he's worked incredibly hard himself) he's just got that God-given talent & magic

      I'd say they're probably the two greatest of all time. The consistency they've both shown for over a decade I don't think has been matched and probably won't be for some time at least
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      Reply #29: Aug 16, 2020 11:35:09 am
      Maradona was still better than the pair of them!
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      Reply #30: Aug 16, 2020 11:38:33 am
      Messi.

      I see people argue Ronaldo is the more complete player but the fact Messi can be the goalscorer he is while continuously creating chances for other teammates is what sets him apart for me.

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      Reply #31: Aug 16, 2020 12:06:14 pm
      Messi, best player I have ever seen
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      Reply #32: Aug 16, 2020 01:05:37 pm
      I think Ronaldo is edging it now.  He has done it in different teams.  Messi hasn't done enough for Argentina.  Still think Maradona was greater than Messi.   Sheer individual talent and ability Messi is the best of all time.  But for all time greatness there are more requirements in my books.   
      If a team had all world class players and I had to choose one player in history to make it a better team my vote would be for Zidane.  If I had a decent team not scattered with worldies it would be Maradona.   Both these players have unreal numbers and are fairly discussed as the greatest but not in my book.   But at this moment of time my vote goes to Ronaldo as long as he doesn't come back to Utd, ;D
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      Reply #33: Aug 16, 2020 01:23:54 pm
      Maradona was still better than the pair of them!

      Agree with this

      Then Messi
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      Reply #34: Aug 16, 2020 04:12:49 pm
      No, I'm right. In a way people can argue about why they prefer Nadal over Federer, Borg over McEnroe but they can only justify it terms of achievement. It's bricklayers v artists, perfect robots v creative genius. People who prefer Ronaldo and the former in the examples given have bags of dust where there should be a soul.

      You are so humble and open minded as well, BTW remind me of Messi's achievements with Argentina.
      Messi is also a lazy b***ard, not tracking back, not able to turn a game around. He's basically only good when his team is playing well whereas Ronaldo can pull his team along with him, similar to how Stevie G did.
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      Reply #35: Aug 16, 2020 07:32:04 pm
      Messi by a mile and counting.

      So who's second best in the world?
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      Reply #36: Aug 16, 2020 10:21:31 pm
      You are so humble and open minded as well, BTW remind me of Messi's achievements with Argentina.
      Messi is also a lazy b***ard, not tracking back, not able to turn a game around. He's basically only good when his team is playing well whereas Ronaldo can pull his team along with him, similar to how Stevie G did.

      What? Without Messi driving Barcelona we'd have won the first leg last season in the CL. Character is subject to perception bias, you say Messsi is lazy, I say he saves his energy at this later stage for the times he can inflict most damage. You claim Ronaldo pulls his team along with him, I say he is a self regarding, preening little bi*ch concerned only with his own records and reputation. When a teammate scores and there was a even a slight possibilty they could have given him the ball he stares at them likes they've shat in his pasta.
      Ronaldo is a goal scorer and little besides, apart from that early period at United where everyone criticised him for the show pony ineffectiveness, all those ridiculous step overs that went nowhere. He has nightmares about passing the ball in the opposing area. He takes every free kick despite such a tiny conversion stats even when there are players like Asensio in the team. Everyone around him is obliged to call him the best player in the world, afraid he'll tantrum his way out of the club because of the world famous delicacy of his ego.
      Compare him to Van Basten, Van Nistelroy, claim he's the best goal scorer who ever lived and I wouldn't care. Maybe he is. Just don't compare him to Messi who is so much more.
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      Reply #37: Aug 16, 2020 10:57:15 pm
      Just don't compare him to Messi who is so much more.


      Messi's one f**king whinging tw*t when the game ain't going his way.

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      Reply #38: Aug 16, 2020 11:28:08 pm
      Messi's one f**king whinging tw*t when the game ain't going his way.

      Who isn't? Maybe Lineker? Is Klopp full of saintly perspective when we've lost?
      « Last Edit: Aug 16, 2020 11:33:14 pm by Isaac! »
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      Reply #39: Aug 16, 2020 11:55:04 pm
      Who isn't? Maybe Lineker? Is Klopp full of saintly perspective when we've lost?

      Doubt they’d stroll around looking like they couldn’t give a toss and as if they deserve better. Messi was a disgrace vs Bayern And played no better than anyone else, team leader he’s meant to be and he couldn’t even pick his head up to try and motivate his team.
      « Last Edit: Aug 17, 2020 12:00:54 am by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Reply #40: Aug 17, 2020 05:10:25 am
      Messi's one f**king whinging tw*t when the game ain't going his way.



      Still one of my fave pics of all time!

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      Reply #41: Aug 17, 2020 11:04:18 am
      Messi is also a lazy b***ard, not tracking back, not able to turn a game around.

      Messi can't turn a game around? F**k me I've heard it all now! 😂

      And in terms of not tracking back, have you watched Ronaldo play in the last 5 or 6 years? The fella is infamous for not getting involved in defensive duties. Constantly holds his position so he can conserve his energy & attack in bursts
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      Reply #42: Aug 17, 2020 11:18:11 am
      Some very reactionary opinions on here. I bet most of the people painting Messi as some sort of lazy sulker have probably watched him play 3 times in the last few years (the other night and when we met Barcelona in the Champions League). I've seen Ronaldo mope around & throw tantrums on the pitch countless times. But he didn't do that on the telly recently, so it's allowed the goldfish to completely rewrite history
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      Reply #43: Aug 17, 2020 03:54:00 pm
      Still one of my fave pics of all time!



      Ok, that sideline banner is hilarious when you take into account Messi isn't much taller than a child.
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      Reply #44: Aug 17, 2020 05:40:50 pm
      What? Without Messi driving Barcelona we'd have won the first leg last season in the CL. Character is subject to perception bias, you say Messsi is lazy, I say he saves his energy at this later stage for the times he can inflict most damage. You claim Ronaldo pulls his team along with him, I say he is a self regarding, preening little bi*ch concerned only with his own records and reputation. When a teammate scores and there was a even a slight possibilty they could have given him the ball he stares at them likes they've shat in his pasta.
      Ronaldo is a goal scorer and little besides, apart from that early period at United where everyone criticised him for the show pony ineffectiveness, all those ridiculous step overs that went nowhere. He has nightmares about passing the ball in the opposing area. He takes every free kick despite such a tiny conversion stats even when there are players like Asensio in the team. Everyone around him is obliged to call him the best player in the world, afraid he'll tantrum his way out of the club because of the world famous delicacy of his ego.
      Compare him to Van Basten, Van Nistelroy, claim he's the best goal scorer who ever lived and I wouldn't care. Maybe he is. Just don't compare him to Messi who is so much more.


      How is Messi infinitely better than Ronaldo, do you have any stats to back that statement up? I guess it won't be international stats or anything outside of La Liga?
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      Reply #45: Aug 17, 2020 06:12:41 pm
      This may sound a little churlish on my part but when asked who is the better between Ronaldo and Messi my reaction is Who cares?
      If there was a chance we could sign one of them next season, but only one then I might join a debate into which one fits our needs.
      But just as an academic exercise I don’t see the point and given the amount of awards and accolades they have between them I doubt they care about the opinion of a Liverpool fan forum either.
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      Reply #46: Aug 17, 2020 06:43:32 pm
      This may sound a little churlish on my part but when asked who is the better between Ronaldo and Messi my reaction is Who cares?
      If there was a chance we could sign one of them next season, but only one then I might join a debate into which one fits our needs.
      But just as an academic exercise I don’t see the point and given the amount of awards and accolades they have between them I doubt they care about the opinion of a Liverpool fan forum either.

      Your right! It is a little churlish from your part.  It's a football forum where we talk about everything and nothing, be it politics, snooker, horse, F1, members, greyhounds, boxing etc etc etc. Need I really go on  :f_doh:

      If you don't want to partake don't, no one holding a gun to you head. For what's it's worth, in case you've forgotten ? We're on a football forum anyway with plenty of members enjoying the debate.

      F**k sake  :f_doh:
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      Reply #47: Aug 17, 2020 06:58:17 pm
      This may sound a little churlish on my part but when asked who is the better between Ronaldo and Messi my reaction is Who cares?
      If there was a chance we could sign one of them next season, but only one then I might join a debate into which one fits our needs.
      But just as an academic exercise I don’t see the point and given the amount of awards and accolades they have between them I doubt they care about the opinion of a Liverpool fan forum either.

      So basically you are saying it’s as pointless as this post you’ve done?
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      Reply #48: Aug 17, 2020 07:06:13 pm
      It’s very close and a lot of it will come down to personal opinion

      I had to pick one at their prime to play in the Liverpool team then it would be Messi , I think he can integrate himself better into a team environment

      Ronaldo would suit a club that want to make him the sole focus

      Messi imo is the more naturally skillfull and talented of the two players but Ronaldo has prob got more out of his talent
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      Reply #49: Aug 17, 2020 07:12:28 pm
      It’s very close and a lot of it will come down to personal opinion

      I had to pick one at their prime to play in the Liverpool team then it would be Messi , I think he can integrate himself better into a team environment

      Ronaldo would suit a club that want to make him the sole focus

      Messi imo is the more naturally skillfull and talented of the two players but Ronaldo has prob got more out of his talent

      Id agree with the fact he's more skill full than Ronaldo and yes out of the two he would sit in your side better. I read today in the usual bullshit media Messi now wants out. Would be great to see him in the Premier league
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      Reply #50: Aug 17, 2020 07:33:26 pm
      It’s very close and a lot of it will come down to personal opinion

      I had to pick one at their prime to play in the Liverpool team then it would be Messi , I think he can integrate himself better into a team environment

      Ronaldo would suit a club that want to make him the sole focus

      Messi imo is the more naturally skillfull and talented of the two players but Ronaldo has prob got more out of his talent

      There is no way that Messi would fit into Klopp's team, the lad hardly ever tracks back, he's lazy. I would much rather have Ronaldo, his work rate is far higher than Messi and I genuinely feel he's more of a team player, ie Klopp type player, despite being a bit of a tw*t.
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      Reply #51: Aug 17, 2020 07:45:37 pm
      I would much rather have Ronaldo, his work rate is far higher than Messi and I genuinely feel he's more of a team player, ie Klopp type player, despite being a bit of a tw*t.

      Is that because he's a ex Manc.  ;D
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      Reply #52: Aug 17, 2020 09:50:06 pm
      Who isn't? Maybe Lineker? Is Klopp full of saintly perspective when we've lost?

      Well f**k off and support Messi then!!
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      Reply #53: Aug 17, 2020 09:54:30 pm

      Actually the fact he's excelled in multiple leagues, incl premiership, would be another plus.
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      Reply #54: Aug 17, 2020 10:41:57 pm
      Some very reactionary opinions on here. I bet most of the people painting Messi as some sort of lazy sulker have probably watched him play 3 times in the last few years (the other night and when we met Barcelona in the Champions League). I've seen Ronaldo mope around & throw tantrums on the pitch countless times. But he didn't do that on the telly recently, so it's allowed the goldfish to completely rewrite history

      Ronaldo gets mad when his own teammates score instead of him, go figure.
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      Reply #55: Aug 17, 2020 10:57:52 pm
      Ronaldo gets mad when his own teammates score instead of him, go figure.

      Exactly, it's such a Manc stance to support Ronaldo. What happened to the Liverpool mentality of " no player is bigger than the club." It's really f**king depressing to read any positive comment for this rancid c**t on a Liverpool board.
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      Reply #56: Aug 17, 2020 11:17:32 pm
      Exactly, it's such a Manc stance to support Ronaldo. What happened to the Liverpool mentality of " no player is bigger than the club." It's really f**king depressing to read any positive comment for this rancid c**t on a Liverpool board.

      Nothing wrong with giving him credit for his ability, he's an exceptional player like. It's a proper Everton mentality to not be able to compliment a player just because he used to play for United

      That said, Messi is, was, and always will be better
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      Reply #57: Aug 17, 2020 11:26:17 pm
      Nothing wrong with giving him credit for his ability, he's an exceptional player like. It's a proper Everton mentality to not be able to compliment a player just because he used to play for United

      That said, Messi is, was, and always will be better

      Yeah, I can do that. He's a great goal scorer. He's a toxic team player. Liverpool's history and present is all about team players. The Mancs have had a long history of idolising individual talent, we have more form for idolising great managers who bring talent together to form something better than the individual parts.
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      Reply #58: Aug 17, 2020 11:34:10 pm
      Liverpool's history and present is all about team players. The Mancs have had a long history of idolising individual talent, we have more form for idolising great managers who bring talent together to form something better than the individual parts.

      Don't know what you're on about there. We idolise Shankly and Paisley the same way United idolise Ferguson & Busby

      We idolise Kenny like United idolise Best. We loved (and still love) Suarez who was an absolute gobs***e mercenary

      Are you saying that we wouldn't idolise Ronaldo if he played for us and achieved the things he did for United at Liverpool?
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      Reply #59: Aug 17, 2020 11:50:51 pm
      Don't know what you're on about there. We idolise Shankly and Paisley the same way United idolise Ferguson & Busby

      We idolise Kenny like United idolise Best. We loved (and still love) Suarez who was an absolute gobs***e mercenary

      Are you saying that we wouldn't idolise Ronaldo if he played for us and achieved the things he did for United at Liverpool?

      I'm contrasting Ronaldo ( who cares only about his own goals and record) and Messi who is as happy to assist as score ie team player.

      I don't think we do idolise Suarez. He had the greatest single season I've ever seen, but he isn't regarded with legendary status because he didn't do it for long enough and in retrospect has shown he was motivated only to get a big move.

      Kenny isn't idolised only for his playing ability, but for his role in the Hillsborough disaster, his dignity and gravitas. That's my take anyway.

      Of course we care about and celebrate great players, but it's not like them. They think throwing vast sums of cash and buying sparklers is more important than unity, understanding, team ethic etc. We're not Real Madrid, the Mancs are/were wannabee Real Madrid lites.
      « Last Edit: Aug 17, 2020 11:57:43 pm by Isaac! »
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      Reply #60: Aug 18, 2020 02:02:44 am
      Both great players we will never see again 2 players fighting it out for so long the stats they put in year after year is so amazing, if i had to pick its going to be Ronaldo he fights he pushes he team mates to the very end of the game he is a leader a captain which messi lacks a lot of.
      https://images.app.goo.gl/RnAM2RoJQC5zXQob9


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=kVpMbokU06E&feature=emb_logo

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnespGAwP_Q&feature=emb_logo
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      Reply #61: Aug 18, 2020 02:14:43 am
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      Reply #62: Aug 18, 2020 08:50:03 am
      Both great players we will never see again 2 players fighting it out for so long the stats they put in year after year is so amazing, if i had to pick its going to be Ronaldo he fights he pushes he team mates to the very end of the game he is a leader a captain which messi lacks a lot of.
      https://images.app.goo.gl/RnAM2RoJQC5zXQob9


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=kVpMbokU06E&feature=emb_logo

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnespGAwP_Q&feature=emb_logo


      Never seen this video before. He can certainly motivate his players, staff and even the cleaning lady. Nothing selfish about that. As for the ones who say he's selfish on the pitch you only need to look at his goals, ability, composure and the fact his team mate want him to have the ball for those very reasons he knows where the net is.

      For those that don't think this is the case and have Messi No1 that's ok too, it's a opinion. However, what we can certainly say (( unless your completely biased )) is that these two players have been No1 & No2 in the world for over a decade between them, a feat that will probably never happen again in our life time.

      Weird isn't it, allegedly miles apart!!!! by some.  :lmao:

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      Reply #63: Aug 18, 2020 08:55:03 am
      Your right! It is a little churlish from your part.  It's a football forum where we talk about everything and nothing, be it politics, snooker, horse, F1, members, greyhounds, boxing etc etc etc. Need I really go on  :f_doh:

      If you don't want to partake don't, no one holding a gun to you head. For what's it's worth, in case you've forgotten ? We're on a football forum anyway with plenty of members enjoying the debate.

      F**k sake  :f_doh:



      Well said Keith, oh and btw, it’s your f***in fault ya Manc c**t for getting us all started, arguing amongst ourselves......maybe that’s what your aim is, the enemy within, kinda like what Thatcher did to split the Miners....I know your game pal, it won’t f***in work, you may as well come out of yer closet, If you can’t beat them join them, isn’t that what they say ?   ;)  :f_whistle:





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      Reply #64: Aug 18, 2020 09:21:18 am
      Exactly, it's such a Manc stance to support Ronaldo. What happened to the Liverpool mentality of " no player is bigger than the club." It's really f**king depressing to read any positive comment for this rancid c**t on a Liverpool board.

      yet you idolise Messi, another sulking egomaniac, go figure, ah he never played for Man Utd, I get it now! What will your opinion of him be if he signs for City though?
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      Reply #65: Aug 18, 2020 09:22:10 am
      Nothing wrong with giving him credit for his ability, he's an exceptional player like. It's a proper Everton mentality to not be able to compliment a player just because he used to play for United

      That said, Messi is, was, and always will be better

      why is Messi better, can you try to break it down, stats might help, or is it purely subjective?
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      Reply #66: Aug 18, 2020 09:23:39 am


      Well said Keith, oh and btw, it’s your f***in fault ya Manc c**t for getting us all started, arguing amongst ourselves......maybe that’s what your aim is, the enemy within, kinda like what Thatcher did to split the Miners....I know your game pal, it won’t f***in work, you may as well come out of yer closet, If you can’t beat them join them, isn’t that what they say ?   ;)  :f_whistle:





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      What do you mean won't work? It already has.  ;D You lads will be knocking yourselves next time you meet in the pub.  :lmao:

      The closet door got a padlock on and you Scouse fuckers have thrown the key away  :lmao:

      I need heimdall to get the bolt cutters out, that will wum you lads up if he does.  ;D Come on heimdall you know you want too  ;D
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      Reply #67: Aug 18, 2020 09:28:20 am
      why is Messi better, can you try to break it down, stats might help, or is it purely subjective?

      Man I'm glad you never asked me that as I'd have a essay on the pair of them.  :lmao:  Let's just say their No1 & No2 in the world. It's not debatable though Apparantly  ;D
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      Reply #68: Aug 18, 2020 09:28:50 am
      Both great players we will never see again 2 players fighting it out for so long the stats they put in year after year is so amazing, if i had to pick its going to be Ronaldo he fights he pushes he team mates to the very end of the game he is a leader a captain which messi lacks a lot of.
      https://images.app.goo.gl/RnAM2RoJQC5zXQob9


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=kVpMbokU06E&feature=emb_logo

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnespGAwP_Q&feature=emb_logo


      and that there is why i think Ronaldo is the best, he led Portugal to that victory, he is more of a leader than Messi is.

      Anyway enough of all this, they are both superb football players, some favour Messi and some favour Ronaldo, I can see arguments for both, but what an honour to have witnessed this era of two great players.
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      Reply #69: Aug 18, 2020 09:31:38 am
      and that there is why i think Ronaldo is the best, he led Portugal to that victory, he is more of a leader than Messi is.

      Anyway enough of all this, they are both superb football players, some favour Messi and some favour Ronaldo, I can see arguments for both, but what an honour to have witnessed this era of two great players.

      Well said heimdall, a well balanced post for you.  ;D
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      Reply #70: Aug 18, 2020 09:47:29 am
      why is Messi better, can you try to break it down, stats might help, or is it purely subjective?

      In terms of stats I think Messi has near enough the same amount of goals as Ronaldo despite playing about 150 less games, he also has a lot more assists. More Ballon D'Ors, he also has beaten Ronaldo's most prolific season by quite a margin (61 goals v 73 goals), as well as holding the record for most goals scored in a calendar year (91 in 2012). Messi achieved all of these goal records while playing in a much deeper position than Ronaldo, playing as more of a playmaker whereas Ronaldo's sole purpose was to be a goalscorer, and he still couldn't score more goals than Messi

      There's also a big misconception at the minute that Ronaldo is a team player and Messi is a sulker, which I think is quite the opposite. Ronaldo doesn't track back and doesn't work for the team, his game (for the last 6 or 7 years at least) has consisted of staying high up the pitch and conserving his energy to attack in bursts. Not like there's anything really wrong with that, mind. His goals are obviously invaluable for his team(s), but the facts are Messi creates more for the team whilst still outscoring Ronaldo
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      Reply #71: Aug 18, 2020 10:06:56 am
      It is reported that Juventus no longer consider Ronaldo 'none-transferable' and could cash in for £54m with PSG keen to sign the 35 year old.
      Get the feeling that some party has a half truth and wishes to embellish the status of a fading superstar, Ronaldo's agent immediately comes to mind.
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      Reply #72: Aug 18, 2020 10:10:16 am
      In terms of stats I think Messi has near enough the same amount of goals as Ronaldo despite playing about 150 less games, he also has a lot more assists. More Ballon D'Ors, he also has beaten Ronaldo's most prolific season by quite a margin (61 goals v 73 goals), as well as holding the record for most goals scored in a calendar year (91 in 2012). Messi achieved all of these goal records while playing in a much deeper position than Ronaldo, playing as more of a playmaker whereas Ronaldo's sole purpose was to be a goalscorer, and he still couldn't score more goals than Messi

      There's also a big misconception at the minute that Ronaldo is a team player and Messi is a sulker, which I think is quite the opposite. Ronaldo doesn't track back and doesn't work for the team, his game (for the last 6 or 7 years at least) has consisted of staying high up the pitch and conserving his energy to attack in bursts. Not like there's anything really wrong with that, mind. His goals are obviously invaluable for his team(s), but the facts are Messi creates more for the team whilst still outscoring Ronaldo

      OK, but I slightly disagree that Ronaldo plays in a more advanced position to Messi, both players are first and foremost goal scorers with their teams set up to feed them the ball, otherwise its simply impossible to be getting as many goals as both have over the years. 
      I will however never agree that Messi is more of a team player than Ronaldo, there is clear and documented evidence, see video above for example, of Ronaldo urging his team mates along and acting like a leader and captain, I'm not sure the same is true of Messi.

      Another point if that Barcelona have always been set up in an ultra attacking formation for Messi, I'm not sure the same is true of Man Utd, Real Madrid and Juventus.

      Anyway as said before, both are supreme footballers, the only thing that irritated me previously was some numpty saying Messi was infinitely better than Ronaldo, that's clearly crap and a very biased subjective view.
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      Reply #73: Aug 18, 2020 10:22:13 am
      It is reported that Juventus no longer consider Ronaldo 'none-transferable' and could cash in for £54m with PSG keen to sign the 35 year old.
      Get the feeling that some party has a half truth and wishes to embellish the status of a fading superstar, Ronaldo's agent immediately comes to mind.

      54 million for a 35 year old.  :o. Obviously these two players passed their sell by date but I'd still take any of them on a free where we just pay wages for a season or so.
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      Reply #74: Aug 18, 2020 10:28:39 am
      Anyway as said before, both are supreme footballers, the only thing that irritated me previously was some numpty saying Messi was infinitely better than Ronaldo, that's clearly crap and a very biased subjective view.

      Yeah, he certainly isn't infinitely better. They've both created their own league, whenever a good player comes through now people constantly talk about whether or not they'll be able to reach "Messi & Ronaldo" heights, which I think is unfair on the player as Messi & Ronaldo are on a space age level which I don't think anybody will can reach, certainly not reach it and stay there for as long as they have
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      Reply #75: Aug 18, 2020 10:30:34 am
      54 million for a 35 year old.  :o. Obviously these two players passed their sell by date but I'd still take any of them on a free where we just pay wages for a season or so.

      54M that's crazy - you'd have to guess they'd be vouching on shirt sales for that deal to make sense
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      Reply #76: Aug 18, 2020 10:59:25 am
      54 million for a 35 year old.  :o. Obviously these two players passed their sell by date but I'd still take any of them on a free where we just pay wages for a season or so.

      Ole would certainly agree with you Keith!
      On reflection that could be a concern for you.
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      Reply #77: Aug 18, 2020 11:03:50 am
      Ole would certainly agree with you Keith!
      On reflection that could be a concern for you.

      Absolutely, if he agrees I'm in trouble  ;D but he won't  ;D
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      Reply #78: Aug 18, 2020 01:06:21 pm
      54 million and he probably still out score most top strikers
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      Reply #79: Aug 18, 2020 01:51:37 pm
      54 million for a 35 year old.  :o. Obviously these two players passed their sell by date but I'd still take any of them on a free where we just pay wages for a season or so.

      Ronaldo is a generational talent that keeps his body and fitness at a ridiculously high level. If fact, there's plenty of men 10 years his younger that wish they had his pace and stamina.

      54m is a bargain for him as long as you don't need him to play much defense. He's still gonna score bucket loads of goals.
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      Reply #80: Aug 19, 2020 01:53:09 am
      Ronaldo is a generational talent that keeps his body and fitness at a ridiculously high level. If fact, there's plenty of men 10 years his younger that wish they had his pace and stamina.

      54m is a bargain for him as long as you don't need him to play much defense. He's still gonna score bucket loads of goals.

      Spot on and his height in his jump that he gets on his headers, amazes me!

      Think him and Virg and Gini (Barcelona game  ;D ) are the only other 2 players that I can remember getting up that high. Ok throw in Dejan against Dortmund.  :D :D

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