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      Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)

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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #100: May 20, 2021 05:06:05 pm
      He's been here a while now and won the two biggest trophies we can get, I really can't hold it against him if he wants to go try something different in a new country, especially Barca for the sun, fair fecks, I don't blame him, at the end of the day we need to remember these are just players, they aren't 'loyal' to the club like us fans are, he's done a lot in his time here and was pivotal to us winning the CL and then getting the League.

      What I can't excuse is not giving your all before you feck off, or just moping around, and I don't even mean in terms of overall team performance, everyone has been a bit off this year, but he just doesn't seem like the Gini we know now, what happened to that big smile you'd rarely see him without? It's rare you see it at all now, and he just seems so lethargic a lot of time in his play like he just can't be arsed, like 'feck it, I'm off in the Summer what does it matter?' kind of vibes I get... that I cannot stand.

      He may not be playing great,  he may not be your favourite player but to say he has essentially downed tools is quite frankly absolute bollocks
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #101: May 20, 2021 05:21:17 pm
      He may not be playing great,  he may not be your favourite player but to say he has essentially downed tools is quite frankly absolute bollocks

      Yep, absolute bollocks

      Don't people think Jürgen would spot something like that and deal with it if that was the case

      People will see what they want to in any situation, confirmation bias
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #102: May 20, 2021 05:43:04 pm
      He may not be playing great,  he may not be your favourite player but to say he has essentially downed tools is quite frankly absolute bollocks
      Gini is my third favourite player after Bobby and Hendo, and you’re talking bollocks if you think he’s looked himself the latter half of this season.

      It’s been obvious for a while his head is elsewhere and it’s seen in his play and body language.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #103: May 21, 2021 07:55:08 am
      Honest to God, does anyone think well miss him on the form hes had for months now?

      Gini 2017 was very good , 2018  2019 was class, 2020 less so but still important. 2021? Passenger for me
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #104: May 21, 2021 09:55:35 am
      Having Thiago now and Curtis coming through lessens the burden when Gini leaves. I think if you’re not sure as a player whether you want to stay or not it’s probably best you move on. If he wants a new challenge, more money, a warmer climate or whatever, fair enough. He’s been a fantastic player for us, we wish him well and the train rumbles on.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #105: May 21, 2021 09:58:13 am
      Having Thiago now and Curtis coming through lessens the burden when Gini leaves. I think if you’re not sure as a player whether you want to stay or not it’s probably best you move on. If he wants a new challenge, more money, a warmer climate or whatever, fair enough. He’s been a fantastic player for us, we wish him well and the train rumbles on.

      Very interesting to see how he goes for the Dutch in the summer
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #106: May 21, 2021 10:08:38 am
      I personally think he’s an amazing player we will be poorer in terms of quality when he goes. It’s a shame.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #107: May 21, 2021 10:14:39 am
      I think it’s a shame that he goes for £0m.

      Nonetheless his contributions on the pitch are well appreciated. I’ve never understood the comments about him that he’s not good enough for us. He might underperform in the odd game but that’s about it and it’s a very normal thing to happen. We will miss him.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #108: May 21, 2021 10:40:07 am
      I think it’s a shame that he goes for £0m.

      Nonetheless his contributions on the pitch are well appreciated. I’ve never understood the comments about him that he’s not good enough for us. He might underperform in the odd game but that’s about it and it’s a very normal thing to happen. We will miss him.

      Agree, underestimated by a certain section of our support, he has been consistent throughout this season, if he leaves he will be missed.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #109: May 21, 2021 11:06:46 am
      Nobody loved a big game more than Gini.
      He'll be missed. What a half of football vs Barca.
      Gerrard-esque.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #110: May 21, 2021 01:48:57 pm
      I personally think he’s an amazing player we will be poorer in terms of quality when he goes. It’s a shame.

      Not everyone fully appreciates what he brings to the team. He's not the flashiest and doesn't score a lot of goals so some people have underrated his value to the team for a long time. Some never really liked him from day one and he was a constant whipping boy for a while. He has been a tireless serving soldier who never even gets a cramp and does a lot of the donkey work that helps the rest of the team to succeed at the expense of personal achievements.

      His time looks to be up with us but i understand both sides. He wanting a longer contract as he is 30yo and is probably his last large contract and the team not wanting to commit a long term deal as it has an aging squad and needs to retool the team over the next 2-3 years towards younger players.

      He will leave as one of my favorite players in the Klopp era and an absolute legend with his big impact on the big things we achieved while he was here.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #111: May 21, 2021 02:47:20 pm
      Jurgens words about gini's personality and professionalism spoke volumes. That will do for me
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #112: May 21, 2021 02:57:30 pm
      If he wants to go then i wish him all the jest and thank him for the time he has spent with us.
      I understand that players want to play in some league or a team before they gang their boots up.

      That said, if he is going to barca then i wouldnt mind us luring fati or pedri to us, even if we have to pay up to 40m with gini.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça)
      Reply #113: May 21, 2021 03:24:38 pm
      Not everyone fully appreciates what he brings to the team. He's not the flashiest and doesn't score a lot of goals so some people have underrated his value to the team for a long time. Some never really liked him from day one and he was a constant whipping boy for a while. He has been a tireless serving soldier who never even gets a cramp and does a lot of the donkey work that helps the rest of the team to succeed at the expense of personal achievements.

      His time looks to be up with us but i understand both sides. He wanting a longer contract as he is 30yo and is probably his last large contract and the team not wanting to commit a long term deal as it has an aging squad and needs to retool the team over the next 2-3 years towards younger players.

      He will leave as one of my favorite players in the Klopp era and an absolute legend with his big impact on the big things we achieved while he was here.

      I totally agree with almost all of that. Defo a club legend for his major part in what we've achieved in recent years. Massively underappreciated by the fanbase generally, due to this idea that "he doesn't do anything". I read (OK maybe a year ago now) that in matches between the top 6 sides, Gini was the top goalscoring midfielder; yes even ahead of De Bruyne. So he's a big game player, which matches with what I've seen. And we all know what he did against Barcelona. That's club legend status in its own right.

      Yes he can be a bit frustrating against the low block, I'll admit, but fans should understand that he's playing to Klopp's tactical instructions. He gives the ball to people who can do more damage with it. He's never been or claimed to be a creative passing midfielder. And the low block didn't actually trouble us for several years until this freak season so I'm not sure why people were arsed before now.

      I can't for the life of me remember him making any kind of critical error for us, ever. Yes he plays pretty conservatively so that will help to explain it, but there's a value to be found in players who don't make critical errors on the field of play. I watched the game back the other night and saw Gini had made a mistake and I looked at the clock and it said 76 minutes, and even that was because he was clearly tired from all the running. 76 minutes error-free. That's a lot of concentration.

      Love the fella to bits and will be gutted when he goes. I was holding out hope they might eventually come to an agreement but it isn't looking good.

      Only thing I don't agree with you on (in part) is that you seem to have swallowed the leaked line from the club about it being Gini's fault for wanting a longer contract. There are two sides to every story and I'd prefer to hear Gini's side of it before passing 'judgment'. Anyway, it's his last big contract, he's got a right to do what's best for his family. He owes us nothing. I wish the lad a long and happy rest of his life.

      I do think this is what politicians have been describing in recent years as "a failure of diplomacy" though. Klopp clearly wants him to stay. I'm as sure as I can be that Gini wants to stay (or did do - he does look a bit resigned to going at this point). So there's been a failure of diplomacy or a failure of negotiation there by the looks of it.

      Anyway, all LFC heroes leave the club eventually and then a new LFC hero always comes along eventually...

      It'd be nice to get this 'postponed' league title open top bus tour sorted to give Gini a proper send-off but I guess that'll never happen now.
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      Reply #114: May 21, 2021 06:04:40 pm
      Gini has been a great signing for us, and will rightly have his place in club folklore.

      But anyone who thinks or says his performance for the past several months are worthy of being given start after start are deluded.

      If Keita, Shaq, Ox to name 3 got his chances and performed to the same level the place would be in uproar saying its time to move them on.

      If what we done in previous seasons was how it works then Rush be still up front with Barnes trying to feed him. His current form is below par and its quite possible whoever replaces him might spark us into new life.

      Honest answer, has he performed like a captain when given that armband? Has he bossed games? Has he created much? When is the last time you watched us and said Gini was boss there?
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      Reply #115: May 21, 2021 06:29:27 pm

      But anyone who thinks or says his performance for the past several months are worthy of being given start after start are deluded.



      So Klopp is deluded?  ???
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      Reply #116: May 21, 2021 07:36:22 pm

      Clearly 😂

      Seriously though, does Jürgen pick him if Hendo is available? Does his performance level pick him over Thiago Fab and a fit Hendo
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #117: May 21, 2021 07:39:58 pm
      LEGEND

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDPqD_SSLfM


      That play at 3:35. What a player.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #118: May 21, 2021 07:40:51 pm

      Yes but where has that Gini gone?
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #119: May 21, 2021 07:43:15 pm
      Yes but where has that Gini gone?

      No idea. He does not appear the same, no. Could be physical as he is always available to play, or could be mental fatigue from the season, or maybe he is checked out. Who knows. But if this is it and he is a goner, wish him well and thanks for the memories.
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      Reply #120: May 21, 2021 07:52:12 pm
      No idea. He does not appear the same, no. Could be physical as he is always available to play, or could be mental fatigue from the season, or maybe he is checked out. Who knows. But if this is it and he is a goner, wish him well and thanks for the memories.

      Indeed.

      If he is gone I hope he signs off with a performance that made us adore him
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #121: May 22, 2021 08:42:58 am
      I'll miss that smile!
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #122: May 22, 2021 11:15:38 am
      Yes but where has that Gini gone?

      It’s hard to be fully on your game & be focused when the club you want to stay at won’t give you the contract you deserve..
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      Reply #123: May 22, 2021 01:38:49 pm
      Gini has been a great signing for us, and will rightly have his place in club folklore.

      But anyone who thinks or says his performance for the past several months are worthy of being given start after start are deluded.

      If Keita, Shaq, Ox to name 3 got his chances and performed to the same level the place would be in uproar saying its time to move them on.

      If what we done in previous seasons was how it works then Rush be still up front with Barnes trying to feed him. His current form is below par and its quite possible whoever replaces him might spark us into new life.

      Honest answer, has he performed like a captain when given that armband? Has he bossed games? Has he created much? When is the last time you watched us and said Gini was boss there?




      Have to disagree Brian,  Gini on his game there's no one better,  on his off days he still contributes, he has been a fantastic player for us,  sometimes only 5/10 most of the seasons he's been 7,8 or better, I'm discounting this season because no player from Ali to Salah has been stand out performers, on occasion yes there has been 9/10 performers but not consistently,
      I'm gutted he's leaving and he will be missed, more than some will realise, who will fill the roles he has played as well as he has ?

      He's one of those unsung hero players that when you look back in years to come and say, Yeah, that Gini Wijnaldom was some player wasn't he, and immediately think of those two goals V Barca, a bit like a Jimmy Case or a Ray Kennedy,  vitally important but yet in the background with others taking the limelight,

      His boots will be hard to fill, however I do like the look of Telimans at Leicester, I think he his made to play in a Klopp side, and he would be my choice If indeed Gini seeks pastures new, he goes though with his head held high, and  wherever he plays I wish him well, he has served this club with distinction and will forever be remembered for that special night against Barcelona.


      All the best Gini, thx for the memories.


                                        YNWA



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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum (Barça / Bayern Munich)
      Reply #124: May 22, 2021 02:07:19 pm
      I can see where the criticism is coming from this season but when I look at him and compare him to the rest of the squad this season I'd say he was not worse than most of the other players. My guess is that there is a lot of people who are reacting this way because they know he's leaving so there's a bit of an ego thing in there (perfectly normal IMO).

      Sure he isn't a passing master and this season, at times, I felt like his energy levels and focus were not at 100% (1st leg against RM being a perfect example) but then again, I can say that about 5 or 6 other players in the starting 11. I reckon our season just went sideways in such a way that it kinda brought down the morale of everybody involved (players, coaches, fans, etc) and we only started finding our rhythm and morale levels like a month or so ago (which is great because ending the season on a strong note is key for us not only for the CL spot but for the confidence levels going into next season)

      With that said, Gini is underrated. He does not give away the ball, he is a pressing machine, tracks back and supports the defence very well, etc. I would've loved to see us use him as the AM in the a 4-2-3-1 this season but it just went to sh*t in such a way that playing different formations wasn't even an option most of the time. 

      I'll miss him. Thank you for the memories Gini!

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