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      Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #375: Sep 14, 2020 07:27:21 am
      We need to remember that we became almost unbeatable because every single one of our lads, worked their nuts off for the full duration of every match, and some !
      We didn’t win all we won because of who we are, and just turned up.

      Our concentration levels, determination and work rate have to return. Also a bit more respect as to how good the opposition can be if we let them.

      We gotta get back to last seasons level or we are gonna be hugely disappointed !
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      Reply #376: Sep 14, 2020 08:55:27 am
      Shocking defending. amazing Salah. thats it.

      A whole week to prepare for the cheatski mob. 0-0 written all over it. ;D.
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      Reply #377: Sep 14, 2020 09:48:00 am
      Amazing how people purr over VVD like at Brighton when he headed the ball over the attacker to himself but when he makes an uncharacteristic mistake all over him . That's the way he plays a footballer not a hoofer if you want that let's go for a big clogger at the back eh
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      Reply #378: Sep 14, 2020 09:54:05 am
      It's nice to be in a position where LFC haven't sold off the crown jewels.
      A fews years ago and Salah would be gone to Spain and that would have been a loss.
      Shows the importance of keeping a team together.
      No doubt the defence will get out of their funk soon enough,
      but glad to have Salah and Mane there to dig the team out when needed.

      Tough decisions to be made for Chelsea.
      Hopefully Fabinho returns.
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      Reply #379: Sep 14, 2020 09:59:33 am
      Amazing how people purr over VVD like at Brighton when he headed the ball over the attacker to himself but when he makes an uncharacteristic mistake all over him . That's the way he plays a footballer not a hoofer if you want that let's go for a big clogger at the back eh

      so are we not aloud to ever criticise him then or do you think he's been playing well lately. You know it is possible to heap praise in one game and be critical the next.

      Virgil is a superb defender, but he has been a bit sh*t since we won the league, but its just a dip, he'll regain his form, I have no doubt about that.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #380: Sep 14, 2020 10:00:04 am
      3 clean sheets in our last 10 Premier League games since the restart.  (30%) after a mini good patch in the middle of the season.

      Having said all of that though we started last season's Premier League campaign with just 2 clean sheets in 15 games.  I think I started a topic about it but the fact is we did win 14 and draw 1 of those games!

      Admittedly it was generally 1 goal a game max.  Certainly can't go on conceding 3 a game.  The Klich goal was a well taken goal but the other two were definitely goals that shouldn't be given away.

      I was surprised given the nature of the game at that point that van Dijk felt he could just nudge the ball to the side.  Not going to break his balls though.  He did score one and was instrumental in the Salah goal so he left the game in positive credit for me.

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      Reply #381: Sep 14, 2020 10:16:25 am
      Good in the sense that it made the side work their balls off to get the result. Also the defence will get a kick up the backside to get them fully up to speed. Could easily sleepwalk into the season the way Spurs did but now we are fully at it. Thanks to a Leeds team fully intent on making a statement, they pushed us all the way and could've cost us 2 pts.

      So all in all - a very positive start.
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      Reply #382: Sep 14, 2020 10:19:48 am
      Good in the sense that it made the side work their balls off to get the result. Also the defence will get a kick up the backside to get them fully up to speed. Could easily sleepwalk into the season the way Spurs did but now we are fully at it. Thanks to a Leeds team fully intent on making a statement, they pushed us all the way and could've cost us 2 pts.

      So all in all - a very positive start.

      Yeah, good point, that could be the kick up the arse the team needs, I certainly hope so, because if we play like that against the chavs we are in trouble.
      Also lets not forget that that was effectively a game after an international break, plus first game of the season, it was kind of a perfect storm of inconsistency.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #383: Sep 14, 2020 10:37:02 am
      Thought Van Dijk's error seemed to take a bit of the attention off Gomez, who was far from his best again. He was brilliant in 18/19 but I felt as though he never reached those same levels in 19/20. Easy to forget he's still only 23 mind, whole career more or less still ahead of him
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      Reply #384: Sep 14, 2020 10:38:47 am
      so are we not aloud to ever criticise him then or do you think he's been playing well lately. You know it is possible to heap praise in one game and be critical the next.

      Virgil is a superb defender, but he has been a bit sh*t since we won the league, but its just a dip, he'll regain his form, I have no doubt about that.

      Its not about criticism I am making the point that it is how he plays a risk taker and footballer if he had  made that pass people would have been all over it fine lines yes he could have hoofed it and yes he was at fault but the good far outweighs the bad maybe a little reminder he needed
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      Reply #385: Sep 14, 2020 10:38:56 am
      Thought Van Dijk's error seemed to take a bit of the attention off Gomez, who was far from his best again. He was brilliant in 18/19 but I felt as though he never reached those same levels in 19/20. Easy to forget he's still only 23 mind, whole career more or less still ahead of him

      I'm not sure I agree, I think Joe was very good last season, but he was poor in the game yesterday.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #386: Sep 14, 2020 10:40:42 am
      All slaughtering the defence, including me, but a big mention to the midfield as well.
      Not over quick on getting back to cover for large parts, and a bit detached from each other at times as well, giving Leeds more space and time to operate in than they would normally have got.
      Big shake up all round, not just the defenders.
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      Reply #387: Sep 14, 2020 10:44:00 am
      Its not about criticism I am making the point that it is how he plays a risk taker and footballer if he had  made that pass people would have been all over it fine lines yes he could have hoofed it and yes he was at fault but the good far outweighs the bad maybe a little reminder he needed

      Thanks for the reminder, we'd all forgotten we have the best CB in the world!! ;-)

      BTW I disagree Virgil is a risk taker, no CB should ever be a risk taker, he is a highly skilled and confident player and at times that can look laid back, but it most certainly isn't, at the moment he's just a bit sloppy in his play, his focus is not quite right, but he'll get back to his best soon, I have no doubt about that.
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      Reply #388: Sep 14, 2020 11:01:42 am
      I'm not sure I agree, I think Joe was very good last season, but he was poor in the game yesterday.

      Doesn't feel as though he's been the same since he came back from that leg fracture a year or so ago
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      Reply #389: Sep 14, 2020 11:29:18 am
      Doesn't feel as though he's been the same since he came back from that leg fracture a year or so ago

      He was in top form last season once we got in a rhythm defensively again, him and Virgil were the pairing that got us 10 consecutive clean sheets.

      The entire defence has dropped a level or 2 since Feb, they’ve all made too many individual errors that have led to goals.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #390: Sep 14, 2020 11:46:26 am
      Hopefully we start finding our best against Chelsea because if our defence is that bad against them then they'll murder us. There is a weird kind of complacency in the defence ever since we won the league and we need to snap the f**k out of it, I'd even consider dropping Virgil just to give him a bit of a kick up the arse.





      You would drop Virgil, fookin hell Heimy, were you ‘dropped’ on your head or something  ? While most will have seen Virgil in somewhat calamitous mode  occasionally it hardly warrants a kick up his arse, he’s human not a robot, as immense as he is he’s still prone to the odd error, if anyone needs a kick up the hole it’s Joe, he could do with a wee rest just so he can get his head right, work on his game and to keep him hungry,
      Joel having come through his injury will be chomping to start, so I’d put him in against Chavs, we were far from our best all over the pitch V Leeds, but first real game of a new season there’s bound to be some rust.

      There’s nothing to gain by benching the best CB on the planet, for me he’d have to shag Linda before I dropped him 🤪.





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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #391: Sep 14, 2020 11:58:08 am
      Thanks for the reminder, we'd all forgotten we have the best CB in the world!! ;-)

      BTW I disagree Virgil is a risk taker, no CB should ever be a risk taker, he is a highly skilled and confident player and at times that can look laid back, but it most certainly isn't, at the moment he's just a bit sloppy in his play, his focus is not quite right, but he'll get back to his best soon, I have no doubt about that.

      Course he is a risk taker how else do you think the mistake occurred he could of just smashed it away but he didn't he tried to find Robbo which was punished
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      Reply #392: Sep 14, 2020 01:24:49 pm




      You would drop Virgil, fookin hell Heimy, were you ‘dropped’ on your head or something  ? While most will have seen Virgil in somewhat calamitous mode  occasionally it hardly warrants a kick up his arse, he’s human not a robot, as immense as he is he’s still prone to the odd error, if anyone needs a kick up the hole it’s Joe, he could do with a wee rest just so he can get his head right, work on his game and to keep him hungry,
      Joel having come through his injury will be chomping to start, so I’d put him in against Chavs, we were far from our best all over the pitch V Leeds, but first real game of a new season there’s bound to be some rust.

      There’s nothing to gain by benching the best CB on the planet, for me he’d have to shag Linda before I dropped him 🤪.





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      hmm, what I said was "I'd even consider dropping Virgil just to give him a bit of a kick up the arse", how in your brain does that become and absolute I'd drop him???
      Is there perhaps some bias/agenda involved whenever you read my posts or are you just not capable of comprehending the English language?
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      Reply #393: Sep 14, 2020 01:26:16 pm
      Course he is a risk taker how else do you think the mistake occurred he could of just smashed it away but he didn't he tried to find Robbo which was punished

      do you have more examples of all the risks Virgil takes every game, what I normally see is a supremely confident and strong defender who plays the percentages and keeps it safe.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #394: Sep 14, 2020 02:31:13 pm
      hmm, what I said was "I'd even consider dropping Virgil just to give him a bit of a kick up the arse", how in your brain does that become and absolute I'd drop him???
      Is there perhaps some bias/agenda involved whenever you read my posts or are you just not capable of comprehending the English language?





      What’s with the stirring H, anybody would think your on a mission of total Wummery, almost every post on almost any topic you seem to be at odds with anyone who takes umbrage with your posts, your post above for example you are indicating that you would drop Virgil, myself and others question your consideration but then you go on one believing we’re have some kind of agenda against you,

      Just for the record , you always have a negative attitude on topics which most of us can part take in a debate, offering opinions others may have overlooked, it seems though you alway counter whatever anyone says simply for some sort of reaction, in other words you are Wumming.

      I have no agenda against you although I will admit your negativity gets on my tits, it’s nothing personal, you are entitled to your opinion, for the most part a large pinch of salt is required, may I suggest you employ the same and stop your obvious Wummery ?




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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #395: Sep 14, 2020 02:43:33 pm
      Whole team has been sh1te defensively since the restart tbh. but that was ok, cos league was won, then it was friendlies.

      Hopefully now everything is competitive again, the defending will get better and the individual errors will lessen.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #396: Sep 15, 2020 05:25:01 am
      First goal was mainly Hendo not being up to speed and covering for Trent, followed by a good individual effort.

      2nd goal was some mixup between Virgil and Alisson. I think Virg thought Allie was coming for it and when he didn't he flailed at it, giving it away.

      3rd goal was Curtis, Neely on, not following his man (maybe confused w Can as to whose man it was, I may be wrong thinking it was Curtis' runner, but Klopp seemed to indicate this post match.

      Any issue with defending is a team issue, not a back line issue or a one player issue.

      I happen to think we are going to be playing in such a way where we both score and concede more goals this season. Get ready for a wild ride ladies and gents!
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      Reply #397: Sep 15, 2020 07:08:34 am
      First goal was mainly Hendo not being up to speed and covering for Trent, followed by a good individual effort.

      2nd goal was some mixup between Virgil and Alisson. I think Virg thought Allie was coming for it and when he didn't he flailed at it, giving it away.

      3rd goal was Curtis, Neely on, not following his man (maybe confused w Can as to whose man it was, I may be wrong thinking it was Curtis' runner, but Klopp seemed to indicate this post match.

      Any issue with defending is a team issue, not a back line issue or a one player issue.

      I happen to think we are going to be playing in such a way where we both score and concede more goals this season. Get ready for a wild ride ladies and gents!

      I don’t remember Hendo being anywhere near their first goal or being at fault in any way, I’d have to watch it again. I do remember thinking Gomez didn’t help Trent out at all though and he let the man cut inside far too easily. The pair of them made a mess of it.

      Second goal falls solely on VVD. Alison could have helped him out by giving him a clear shout to get rid perhaps, but once it’s obvious your keeper isn’t coming for the ball then you deal with it, you’re taught that at a very young age. As we know, he’s a lovely footballer VVD, but sometimes there’s nothing wrong with putting your boot through the ball and sending it to row Z and that’s what he should have done there.

      Jones was definitely a reason why we conceded the third but I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He seems to have taken the flack because the scorer was essentially his man, but there were so many errors leading to that goal, starting with salahs poor attempt at holding the ball from the throw and letting the defender get in front of him with ease. He could have shielded it much better and won us a free kick there.

      All three were a shambles in truth and if we defend like that every week then we will struggle for top 4, never mind regain our title! I’m sure it’s something Klopp is seriously working on at present.
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      Re: Liverpool 4-3 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #398: Sep 15, 2020 09:41:32 am
      Whole team defended poorly, the long balls that caught us out , should have been cut off at source.
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      Reply #399: Sep 15, 2020 10:38:42 am
      I don’t remember Hendo being anywhere near their first goal or being at fault in any way, I’d have to watch it again. I do remember thinking Gomez didn’t help Trent out at all though and he let the man cut inside far too easily. The pair of them made a mess of it.

      Second goal falls solely on VVD. Alison could have helped him out by giving him a clear shout to get rid perhaps, but once it’s obvious your keeper isn’t coming for the ball then you deal with it, you’re taught that at a very young age. As we know, he’s a lovely footballer VVD, but sometimes there’s nothing wrong with putting your boot through the ball and sending it to row Z and that’s what he should have done there.

      Jones was definitely a reason why we conceded the third but I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He seems to have taken the flack because the scorer was essentially his man, but there were so many errors leading to that goal, starting with salahs poor attempt at holding the ball from the throw and letting the defender get in front of him with ease. He could have shielded it much better and won us a free kick there.

      All three were a shambles in truth and if we defend like that every week then we will struggle for top 4, never mind regain our title! I’m sure it’s something Klopp is seriously working on at present.

      Midfielders have a responsibility to cover the fullbacks when they push forward and that was Hendo's side. That he was not in the area is part of the problem, and more than one comm, including Aldo, mentioned he was laboring in first half.

      I am remiss though in that defending is always a team deal, and that was the case Saturday. Shared responsibility.
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