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      Thiago and our Tactics: How Does our new #6 fit in and affect the team?

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      Reply #50: Sep 19, 2020 07:53:38 am
      It's a cracking signing isn't it, probably not a desperate need as such but given the short summer break and the condensed season ahead i think al the midfield lads will get plenty of game time and maybe we will even be more competitive in the domestic cups this year, it would be nice to get a run or two going.

      As for how we might set up and the impact on our tactics i don't see any massive changes tactically. I guess we might see 2 sitters a little more often e.g. Fabinho alongside Thiago with someone like Keita ahead of them. As a few have said i think he will enable us to keep the ball better, we're already decent in possession to be fair but he is so comfortable on the ball it will enable us to play a more patient style, be a little bit less energetic. I read an article from Danny Murphy the other day (i think) or it might have been Carra, he was saying that how the no crowds suited City the most becasue they are so technical, the sanitised atmosphere suits their possession game where as we rely on the press which in turn fires up the crowd who contribute to the jitters that our lads feed off.
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      Reply #51: Sep 19, 2020 09:18:06 am
      It's a cracking signing isn't it, probably not a desperate need as such but given the short summer break and the condensed season ahead i think al the midfield lads will get plenty of game time and maybe we will even be more competitive in the domestic cups this year, it would be nice to get a run or two going.

      As for how we might set up and the impact on our tactics i don't see any massive changes tactically. I guess we might see 2 sitters a little more often e.g. Fabinho alongside Thiago with someone like Keita ahead of them. As a few have said i think he will enable us to keep the ball better, we're already decent in possession to be fair but he is so comfortable on the ball it will enable us to play a more patient style, be a little bit less energetic. I read an article from Danny Murphy the other day (i think) or it might have been Carra, he was saying that how the no crowds suited City the most becasue they are so technical, the sanitised atmosphere suits their possession game where as we rely on the press which in turn fires up the crowd who contribute to the jitters that our lads feed off.

      I disagree with your assessment, but perhaps that speaks volumes of the versatility of Thiago. I see him as being the player who can help us unlock stubborn low block teams, playing alongside Keita to find those cute angles and passes to cut through the defence. 

      What ever way you look at it we have signed a superb midfielder who will take us to the next level.
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      Reply #52: Sep 19, 2020 06:17:14 pm
      Jürgen on fitting in all the midifelders, particularly Thiago and Gini:

      “I was asked about Gini and I said that if someone comes in, that is not a reason for someone else to leave,” Liverpool’s manager said. “I can’t prepare for a normal season when a season is not normal. We have to find ways to keep the players as fresh as possible. That probably means rotation.”

      Or as Rafa used to say "possibilities"
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      Reply #53: Sep 21, 2020 12:28:12 am
      Fab, Hendo and Thiago are they competing to be out holding playmaker or could we play 2 out of 3. The attacking midfield options are The Ox, Shaq,Jones, Nabby. Milner is back up. If a solid offer comes in for Gini I think we will snatch their hands off.

      We are in midfield more about control and possession.Thiago brings that in abundance. We have attacking options and support coming from the full/wing backs so control and possession through the midfield is vital. So Thiago fits the template 100%.
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      Reply #54: Sep 21, 2020 02:30:42 pm
      Fab, Hendo and Thiago are they competing to be out holding playmaker or could we play 2 out of 3. The attacking midfield options are The Ox, Shaq,Jones, Nabby. Milner is back up. If a solid offer comes in for Gini I think we will snatch their hands off.

      When you consider that Fabinho by the looks of things will have to put in a few games at CB as 4th choice and I know this is very early that Hendo seems to be having fitness issues we won't be so quick to sell off Gini unless the player pushes for the move.

      The situation coming on the 2nd half up a man was perfect for Thiago who can show off his passing since we had so much of the ball. I expect more of the same vs Arsenal who will do same thing they did a couple months ago at the Emirates just letting us have 70 percent of the ball.
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      Reply #55: Sep 21, 2020 03:05:43 pm
      Think he can play anywhere in that midfield three, but makes most sense for me for him to be the deep lying midfielder if Fabinho is going to be CB.

      I personally would like to see a midfield three of;

             Thiago

      Hendo   
                   Keita

      With Thiago playing the deep lying role, hendo playing box to box and Keita being the most attacking.
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      Reply #56: Sep 21, 2020 03:33:59 pm
      Think he can play anywhere in that midfield three, but makes most sense for me for him to be the deep lying midfielder if Fabinho is going to be CB.

      I personally would like to see a midfield three of;

             Thiago

      Hendo   
                   Keita

      With Thiago playing the deep lying role, hendo playing box to box and Keita being the most attacking.

      The way we press, I don't think the roles are so well defined. The midfield three are moving forward and back together. One is slightly deeper than the others. That's probably about it. I do think once someone is out of position when pressing, another player comes in to fill that position. This makes or formation fluid. Do correct me if I'm wrong. But yes, on paper as a starting line up, this formation could be the case.
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      Reply #57: Sep 21, 2020 08:54:22 pm
      The way we press, I don't think the roles are so well defined. The midfield three are moving forward and back together. One is slightly deeper than the others. That's probably about it. I do think once someone is out of position when pressing, another player comes in to fill that position. This makes or formation fluid. Do correct me if I'm wrong. But yes, on paper as a starting line up, this formation could be the case.

      I feel that there is always one who is deepest, e.g Fabinho if in Midfield or Hendo if Fab is missing. But the other two it is definitely the case that they fill in for each other and there is no pre-defined role as such.

      I would just ideally like to see that.
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      Reply #58: Sep 21, 2020 11:07:22 pm
      I feel that there is always one who is deepest, e.g Fabinho if in Midfield or Hendo if Fab is missing. But the other two it is definitely the case that they fill in for each other and there is no pre-defined role as such.

      I would just ideally like to see that.

      There's always one who is deepest, but it's not always the same one. Like.

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      Reply #59: Sep 21, 2020 11:57:22 pm
      I disagree with your assessment, but perhaps that speaks volumes of the versatility of Thiago. I see him as being the player who can help us unlock stubborn low block teams, playing alongside Keita to find those cute angles and passes to cut through the defence. 

      What ever way you look at it we have signed a superb midfielder who will take us to the next level.

      What assessment do you think I’ve made? I think he’s awesome, cracking player and delighted to have him.
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      Reply #60: Sep 23, 2020 11:18:03 am
      Really wondering if the biggest change resulting from Thiago coming in to the #6 spot is that Fabinho is going to be playing A LOT of center back this season.

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      Reply #61: Sep 23, 2020 01:59:49 pm
      Really wondering if the biggest change resulting from Thiago coming in to the #6 spot is that Fabinho is going to be playing A LOT of center back this season.

      I think Fab feels threatened, so he volunteered at CB. And therefore he had no choice but to step up and pocket Timo. :lmao: :lmao:  :aaliverpool2xt1:
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      Reply #62: Sep 23, 2020 02:14:56 pm
      I think Fab feels threatened, so he volunteered at CB. And therefore he had no choice but to step up and pocket Timo. :lmao: :lmao:  :aaliverpool2xt1:

      You should be a therapist, like.  :)
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      Reply #63: Sep 23, 2020 03:57:08 pm
      What assessment do you think I’ve made? I think he’s awesome, cracking player and delighted to have him.

      I was talking about your tactical assessment, I thought you were implying he was more of a DM type midfielder whereas I see him more as a QB/Xabi Alonso style midfielder.
      He is a brilliant signing and I think he gives us a superb chance of retaining the league title.
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      Reply #65: Sep 26, 2020 10:04:22 am

      Pretty much sums up what some of us have been saying about starving our full backs and simply giving us more space in the centre where we have lacked this kind of player
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      Reply #66: Sep 26, 2020 10:53:22 am
      Pretty much sums up what some of us have been saying about starving our full backs and simply giving us more space in the centre where we have lacked this kind of player

      Pep Ljinders was talking about it last season as I recall.
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      Reply #67: Sep 26, 2020 11:00:00 am
      Pep Ljinders was talking about last season as I recall.

      Yep and they have gone and done something about it even though the success of last year was massive they have still looked to evolve and tweak things
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      Reply #68: Sep 26, 2020 01:01:26 pm
      Yep and they have gone and done something about it even though the success of last year was massive they have still looked to evolve and tweak things

      No arguing that the signing you wanted so badly is looking like a very good improvement for an already great team. Hoping Monday is another demonstration of that. Fancy giving the Gunners a hiding?

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      Reply #69: Sep 26, 2020 01:15:41 pm
      No arguing that the signing you wanted so badly is looking like a very good improvement for an already great team. Hoping Monday is another demonstration of that. Fancy giving the Gunners a hiding?

      Don't think it will be a hiding they have sorted the weak underbelly pre Arteta and more stable especially defensively. Gone for a 2-1 win
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      Reply #70: Sep 26, 2020 01:20:01 pm
      Most of the media and practically all of the pundits have waxed lyrical over KDB and what he means to Citeh, and rightly so, it’s been said that a KDB in the current Liverpool side would make us virtually unbeatable,
      Well, I think we have found our own KDB in Thiago, he too can control the tempo of a game, he too has the vision and intelligence that those pundits have drooled over, he has the skills and passing ability that can split the tightest of defences, into the paths of Messers, Salah, Firmino, Mane or Jota,

      I think the Thiago signing has given us a huge advantage and has seriously cut the odds of us retaining our crown, as Tony Evans article alludes to, he gives guile and a expertise we perhaps lacked last season and before, well not any more, now we have everything we need, Jürgen can opt to use 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and switch at will, it’s true that clubs were finding us out, blocking Trent & Robbo, but now they won’t have a f***in scooby what we’ll do,


      I really don’t like getting ahead of myself but I honestly can’t see us not winning the league again this season, Citeh are still our closest rivals and I look at them and see a very good side but then I look at us and I see a better very good side, in seasons past they had strength of depth and better quality over us, I don’t think we can say that now, do they have a better keeper, not so sure, I think Ali just about shaves it IMO, have they a better back four, definitely not, is their midfield better than ours, again I don’t think it is, and are their top three better than ours, not a f***in chance, and their bench, is it any better than ours, arguably not,

      That 18 point gap between us , that just wasn’t about how we won more games than them, it tells me that our manager got more out of our players than Pep did of his, it tells me who has a more oiled machine, a better system with all its components working together with more efficiency, and perhaps most of all it tells me who the better team is and has a better chance of more success going  forward , I know who my money is on !






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      Reply #71: Sep 28, 2020 06:25:54 am
      Most of the media and practically all of the pundits have waxed lyrical over KDB and what he means to Citeh, and rightly so, it’s been said that a KDB in the current Liverpool side would make us virtually unbeatable,
      Well, I think we have found our own KDB in Thiago, he too can control the tempo of a game, he too has the vision and intelligence that those pundits have drooled over, he has the skills and passing ability that can split the tightest of defences, into the paths of Messers, Salah, Firmino, Mane or Jota,

      I think the Thiago signing has given us a huge advantage and has seriously cut the odds of us retaining our crown, as Tony Evans article alludes to, he gives guile and a expertise we perhaps lacked last season and before, well not any more, now we have everything we need, Jürgen can opt to use 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and switch at will, it’s true that clubs were finding us out, blocking Trent & Robbo, but now they won’t have a f***in scooby what we’ll do,


      I really don’t like getting ahead of myself but I honestly can’t see us not winning the league again this season, Citeh are still our closest rivals and I look at them and see a very good side but then I look at us and I see a better very good side, in seasons past they had strength of depth and better quality over us, I don’t think we can say that now, do they have a better keeper, not so sure, I think Ali just about shaves it IMO, have they a better back four, definitely not, is their midfield better than ours, again I don’t think it is, and are their top three better than ours, not a f***in chance, and their bench, is it any better than ours, arguably not,

      That 18 point gap between us , that just wasn’t about how we won more games than them, it tells me that our manager got more out of our players than Pep did of his, it tells me who has a more oiled machine, a better system with all its components working together with more efficiency, and perhaps most of all it tells me who the better team is and has a better chance of more success going  forward , I know who my money is on !






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      Thiago and KDB are not the same at all. One is an attacking midfielder who has excellent vision and passing while Thiago is more a playmaker type who moves the ball in midfield, closes down the opposition and sets the tempo. He has good vision too and a good passing range but he does not provide as many assists or score as many goals as KDB.

      They are not similar.

      They have a better bench. Shaqiri, Origi, Minamino and Jota have everything to prove.
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      Reply #72: Oct 05, 2020 12:13:33 pm
      Think we might have to reassess the aggressive high line until Alisson is back, clearly we are not going to drop the way we are set up butthe difference this season so far seems to be the midfielders are pressing very high joining in with the front 3 leaving a ton of space the opposition can exploit, which unfortunately with the likes of Trent in our side is suicidal as he won’t get the protection from midfield he needs.

      Plenty already been said about playing such a style with a keeper rooted to the line.
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      Reply #73: Oct 05, 2020 12:55:27 pm
      I'd like to see us play more dynamically in midfield when Thiago is back with Hendo and one of Naby/Gini/Minamino next to him. Move Fab to CB next to Virgil.

      Would also play Jota in the CF role for a few games to see how he plays with both Mane and Salah. I think Diogo could do really well in this position as he has intelligent link up play and an eye for the goal which is something Bobby has lacked for a while now.
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      Reply #74: Oct 07, 2020 12:21:16 pm
      Seeing as Fab is going to be playing in CB a bit more this season, could it be worth testing a 3-4-3? Fab being a player who’s played LB would give him a advantage to being on the left of Dijk, Gomez on the right, it also helps avoid Gomez getting too exposed when Trent is forward, which I think teams are starting to target.
      Something like this (assuming a full fit club)

                         Alisson
                Gomez Dijk Fabinho
      Trent    Hendo   Thiago     Robbo
           Salah     Firmino   Mane


      Or even 3-5-2;

                      Alisson
             Gomez Dijk Fabinho
                Hendo   Thiago
       Trent       Firmino        Robbo
               Salah        Mane

             

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