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      Thiago Alcantara Player Thread

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      Reply #375: Mar 16, 2021 05:29:47 pm
      How many yellows is he on now? Isn’t it a ban after 5?

      Not from January onwards. Its 10
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      Reply #376: Mar 16, 2021 05:34:18 pm
      Ah fair enough! Should only take him a few more games then 😂
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      Reply #377: Mar 16, 2021 05:53:09 pm
      I like that bit of nark in him, he's deffo not the show pony type, I even loved him telling the ref to f**k off!!

      excatly. the lads a winner, wants the ball back, sometimes fouls in the process. Hes been much better with Fab sitting behind him.

      can only see him getting better and better for us rest of season.
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      Reply #378: Mar 16, 2021 10:14:14 pm
      Carra seems very skeptical about him though in his latest podcast. Just saying....
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      Reply #379: Mar 16, 2021 11:06:14 pm
      Can't believe he waited till the 2nd half to get the yellow!

      Been better last two games but still needs to cut out those shithouse fouls that puts us in danger every single time.
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      Reply #380: Mar 17, 2021 09:09:18 am
      Carra seems very skeptical about him though in his latest podcast. Just saying....

      Doesn't mean too much as Carra talks nonsense most of the time anyway.

      Thiago has had Covid, been injured and never played in a settled midfield that allows him to play his game.

      With Fabinho now back in midfield I expect we'll see the real Thiago now.

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      Reply #381: Mar 17, 2021 09:15:24 am
      I like that bit of nark in him, he's deffo not the show pony type, I even loved him telling the ref to f**k off!!

      Really, I don't like to see any players talking back to the Ref, it should be cut out of the game, same as diving, as its a terrible example for kids.

      It staggers me why Refs still allow players to talk back to them in football, it does not happen in any other sport I can think of.  Immediate yellow for any backchat, any follow up then a Red card, you'd cut it out instantly and that would permeate downwards so that lower leagues.
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      Reply #382: Mar 17, 2021 02:45:35 pm
      Carra seems very skeptical about him though in his latest podcast. Just saying....

      I remember a lot of fans being skeptical about Carra circa 2000/2001
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      Reply #383: Mar 17, 2021 02:47:18 pm
      Really, I don't like to see any players talking back to the Ref, it should be cut out of the game, same as diving, as its a terrible example for kids.

      It staggers me why Refs still allow players to talk back to them in football, it does not happen in any other sport I can think of.  Immediate yellow for any backchat, any follow up then a Red card, you'd cut it out instantly and that would permeate downwards so that lower leagues.

      F**k the nicety sh*te. And refs deserve all the abuse they get half the time.
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      Reply #384: Mar 17, 2021 02:54:52 pm
      Doesn't mean too much as Carra talks nonsense most of the time anyway.

      Thiago has had Covid, been injured and never played in a settled midfield that allows him to play his game.

      With Fabinho now back in midfield I expect we'll see the real Thiago now.



      I actually thought he had a good game bar the yellow that made him a bit tentative. He severely disrupted their play and form what I could tell, he pressed much more than most everyone else bar Fab.
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      Reply #385: Mar 24, 2021 08:50:24 pm
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      Can't believe he waited till the 2nd half to get the yellow!

      Been better last two games but still needs to cut out those shithouse fouls that puts us in danger every single time.

      What danger? Let us know of one goal that resulted from any of his fouls?

      He got his card before half time but he's doing what Jürgen wants him to do. Press, make challenges, win the ball back, recycle it, create chances. Occasionally he times it wrong and gets a card, but he's still world class and would walk into any team in the world. Thankfully he is walking into ours.
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      Reply #386: Mar 24, 2021 09:38:33 pm
      F**k the nicety sh*te. And refs deserve all the abuse they get half the time.

      OK so why should Refs be nice then, slightest backchat red card, perhaps they should tell players to go f**k themselves etc. You see how your system doesn't really work!
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      Reply #387: Mar 24, 2021 11:10:26 pm
      OK so why should Refs be nice then, slightest backchat red card, perhaps they should tell players to go f**k themselves etc. You see how your system doesn't really work!

      Who mentioned refs being nice? I never!!

      And what the f**k are you on about "your system doesn't work?"

      F***ing baffling at times!!
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      Reply #388: Mar 25, 2021 10:54:30 pm
      What danger? Let us know of one goal that resulted from any of his fouls?

      He got his card before half time but he's doing what Jürgen wants him to do. Press, make challenges, win the ball back, recycle it, create chances. Occasionally he times it wrong and gets a card, but he's still world class and would walk into any team in the world. Thankfully he is walking into ours.

      I don't know what you watch sometimes fella. Any time we have to defend a set piece we are in danger with our backline!

      I sh*t myself everytime.

      That's the danger!!!! Stop being a w**ker just because you are one and have a keyboard!!!

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      Reply #389: Mar 26, 2021 12:56:11 pm
      Concerning the yellow cards, I think a lot of people just got the wrong idea about the merchandise we got when we moved for Thiago. Some people seem to think that he is some kind of destroyer CDM who also happen to posses Pirlo-esque passing abilities. This is simply not true.

      Thiago is super good at pressing, cutting passing lanes and breaking up the opposition's build-up (this is what the report card said from his time at Bayern). However, what a lot of people forget is to analyze who he was playing with in that Bayern midfield and if we have been able to offer him anything similar. Also, some people understand ''good at pressing and breaking up opposition's build-up'' as we bought another Fabinho.

      Defensively, Thiago does most of his job with his pressing and predictions of where the play is headed next and arriving there quickly to dispossess the carrier or simply intercept. This simply won't happen if you throw him alongside Gini and Curtis. Go watch some of his highlights with Munich and you'll understand what I mean. He's always paired up with somebody much better defensively and who will do most of the defensive work in midfield regardless of if Bayern played a 3 or a 2 men midfield. Most of the time it was Kimmich or Goretzka or both. This makes a huge difference in the ground Thiago has to cover and the type of interventions he has to make. Most people underestimate by a long shot the influence a good CDM (from the destroyer POV) has on a game.

      Now look at our season. First 3 or 4 games Thiago is given a similar role to the one he played most of his career and is paired with Fabinho (top 3 CDMs in the world IMO) and either Hendo or Gini. Result? Everybody was raving about him and he was fantastic both offensively and defensively. Fast forward to the end of January when he comes back from his injury and Fabinho is stuck at CB, Hendo is out with injuries and then also stuck at CB and he is suddenly asked (out of desperation and lack of options) to be the last man in midfield because neither Gini or Curtis can do it. In those circumstances the pile-up of yellow cards is logical just as is the lack of creativity.

      Also, some people seem to think we have like 4 CDMs in that team. The only two players that can qualify as CDMs, in my opinion, are Fabinho and Henderson (can play the role for an extended period of time if Fabinho is out). Gini, Curtis, Milner, Keita and Thiago are all not CDMs. Some of those guys can be dropped into that hole for a half or so depending on the game and what you need from it but they are not CDMs and will get exposed if you drop them in there thinking they will to the leg work and defensive work Fabinho does.



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      Reply #390: Mar 26, 2021 01:22:18 pm
      Concerning the yellow cards, I think a lot of people just got the wrong idea about the merchandise we got when we moved for Thiago. Some people seem to think that he is some kind of destroyer CDM who also happen to posses Pirlo-esque passing abilities. This is simply not true.

      Thiago is super good at pressing, cutting passing lanes and breaking up the opposition's build-up (this is what the report card said from his time at Bayern). However, what a lot of people forget is to analyze who he was playing with in that Bayern midfield and if we have been able to offer him anything similar. Also, some people understand ''good at pressing and breaking up opposition's build-up'' as we bought another Fabinho.

      Defensively, Thiago does most of his job with his pressing and predictions of where the play is headed next and arriving there quickly to dispossess the carrier or simply intercept. This simply won't happen if you throw him alongside Gini and Curtis. Go watch some of his highlights with Munich and you'll understand what I mean. He's always paired up with somebody much better defensively and who will do most of the defensive work in midfield regardless of if Bayern played a 3 or a 2 men midfield. Most of the time it was Kimmich or Goretzka or both. This makes a huge difference in the ground Thiago has to cover and the type of interventions he has to make. Most people underestimate by a long shot the influence a good CDM (from the destroyer POV) has on a game.

      Now look at our season. First 3 or 4 games Thiago is given a similar role to the one he played most of his career and is paired with Fabinho (top 3 CDMs in the world IMO) and either Hendo or Gini. Result? Everybody was raving about him and he was fantastic both offensively and defensively. Fast forward to the end of January when he comes back from his injury and Fabinho is stuck at CB, Hendo is out with injuries and then also stuck at CB and he is suddenly asked (out of desperation and lack of options) to be the last man in midfield because neither Gini or Curtis can do it. In those circumstances the pile-up of yellow cards is logical just as is the lack of creativity.

      Also, some people seem to think we have like 4 CDMs in that team. The only two players that can qualify as CDMs, in my opinion, are Fabinho and Henderson (can play the role for an extended period of time if Fabinho is out). Gini, Curtis, Milner, Keita and Thiago are all not CDMs. Some of those guys can be dropped into that hole for a half or so depending on the game and what you need from it but they are not CDMs and will get exposed if you drop them in there thinking they will to the leg work and defensive work Fabinho does.

      It’s a shame because I remember Wijnaldum having two great CDM games and I thought we were on, but it didn’t last long.
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      Reply #391: Mar 26, 2021 02:35:55 pm
      Who mentioned refs being nice? I never!!

      And what the f**k are you on about "your system doesn't work?"

      F***ing baffling at times!!

      Why should players be allowed to talk back to Refs, it sets a terrible example for kids. It does not happen in any other sport.
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      Reply #392: Mar 26, 2021 02:48:16 pm
      Why should players be allowed to talk back to Refs, it sets a terrible example for kids. It does not happen in any other sport.

      Not sure if you're kidding or not, honestly.

      They're called umpires and not refs, but in MLB it gets nasty.
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      Reply #393: Mar 26, 2021 11:21:22 pm
      Not sure if you're kidding or not, honestly.

      They're called umpires and not refs, but in MLB it gets nasty.

      Thought they were called Refs, myself!  ???
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      Reply #394: Mar 27, 2021 03:49:51 pm
      Not sure if you're kidding or not, honestly.

      They're called umpires and not refs, but in MLB it gets nasty.

      So you have players openly telling umpires/refs/officials to f**k off, I very much doubt it. In any case in most sports the Refs get respect, but not in football.
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      Reply #395: Mar 27, 2021 04:16:04 pm
      So you have players openly telling umpires/refs/officials to f**k off, I very much doubt it. In any case in most sports the Refs get respect, but not in football.

      Go on YouTube and check it out. It’s nasty at times. There’s no pushing/shoving but it can be face to face swearing and yelling.

      Some of the umps are horrible, worse than your worst PL ref, but there’s no accountability for them thanks to being a union 
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      Reply #396: Mar 27, 2021 10:53:53 pm
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      I don't know what you watch sometimes fella. Any time we have to defend a set piece we are in danger with our backline!

      I sh*t myself everytime.

      That's the danger!!!

      So that's your way of admitting that none of his "fouls" have resulted in a goal against us. So there's nothing really to worry about.

      Case closed.
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      Reply #397: Mar 27, 2021 11:21:16 pm
      What danger? Let us know of one goal that resulted from any of his fouls?

      He got his card before half time but he's doing what Jürgen wants him to do. Press, make challenges, win the ball back, recycle it, create chances. Occasionally he times it wrong and gets a card, but he's still world class and would walk into any team in the world. Thankfully he is walking into ours.

      He said Thiago's fouls put us in danger which is correct. Giving away fouls in areas where the other team can whip a ball into the box is danger. If the score or not isn't really relevant to what he said so I don't know why you're trying to be clever about it. By the way, I'm pretty sure Leicester's equaliser that led to our meltdown came from a Thiago foul did it not?

      I really rate the lad don't me wrong- I think he's had some really unfair criticism on here considering he's had covid, had a bad injury and then been chucked into a team that had defensive midfielders in defence and an out of form attack. With all that being considered he's been good and we saw against Leipzig how good he can be when he has Fabinho behind him. However, the fouls are something he needs to cut out. In their half when trying to press to get it back fine but he's prone to giving them away in dangerous areas and against the smaller teams that might end up being their best chance at scoring against us.
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      Reply #398: Mar 28, 2021 01:56:25 pm
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      He said Thiago's fouls put us in danger which is correct. Giving away fouls in areas where the other team can whip a ball into the box is danger. If the score or not isn't really relevant to what he said so I don't know why you're trying to be clever about it. By the way, I'm pretty sure Leicester's equaliser that led to our meltdown came from a Thiago foul did it not?

      I really rate the lad don't me wrong- I think he's had some really unfair criticism on here considering he's had covid, had a bad injury and then been chucked into a team that had defensive midfielders in defence and an out of form attack. With all that being considered he's been good and we saw against Leipzig how good he can be when he has Fabinho behind him. However, the fouls are something he needs to cut out. In their half when trying to press to get it back fine but he's prone to giving them away in dangerous areas and against the smaller teams that might end up being their best chance at scoring against us.

      He was asked to let us know when these fouls resulted in a goal against us. When he couldn't, he responded by playing the man rather than the ball. The very thing he tears into Thiago for.

      Many disputed whether his challenge at Leicester was even a foul or not. In any case, the goal was given because Firmino played the forwards onside.

      You want players to put their foot in, not back out of challenges, especially in this team where so much emphasis is on winning the ball back. Thiago will concede fouls, as will most players. Most are mistimed challenges rather than reckless tackles. Besides, there are other players in the team who put us in more danger of conceding goals on a weekly basis, and have more questions to answer.
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