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      Conor Bradley - Player Thread (D)

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      Reply #207: Apr 08, 2024 06:08:05 pm
      Opta stats per 90 this season in the league,

      Bradley v Trent.

      Tackles attempted 4.1 - 1.6
      Fouls won 1.6 - 0.4
      Aerial duels contested 1.9 - 0.7
      Aerials won 1.3 - 0.5
      Ground duels contested 12.6 - 7.5
      Ground duels won 7.2 - 3.3
      Total duels won 8.5 - 3.8
      Clearances 1.6 - 1.9
      Interceptions - 1.2 - 1.3
      Blocked shots - 0.2 - 0.1
      Recoveries 6 - 7.7 (must say I'm surprised by that)
      Possession lost 18.2 - 24.1
      Goals conceded 0.8 - 1

      These stats are out there for anyone to find, Trent does win more or less every passing stat (which we'd expect him to, he's leagues apart) but let's not put their names in the same bracket when it comes to defending......they're leagues apart.
      To quote a current TV commercial....What a load of Boloney...thoroughly pointless.
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      Reply #208: Apr 08, 2024 06:18:24 pm
      Opta stats per 90 this season in the league,

      Bradley v Trent.

      Tackles attempted 4.1 - 1.6
      Fouls won 1.6 - 0.4
      Aerial duels contested 1.9 - 0.7
      Aerials won 1.3 - 0.5
      Ground duels contested 12.6 - 7.5
      Ground duels won 7.2 - 3.3
      Total duels won 8.5 - 3.8
      Clearances 1.6 - 1.9
      Interceptions - 1.2 - 1.3
      Blocked shots - 0.2 - 0.1
      Recoveries 6 - 7.7 (must say I'm surprised by that)
      Possession lost 18.2 - 24.1
      Goals conceded 0.8 - 1

      These stats are out there for anyone to find, Trent does win more or less every passing stat (which we'd expect him to, he's leagues apart) but let's not put their names in the same bracket when it comes to defending......they're leagues apart.

      We have won every trophy there is to win with Trent in the team , and yet some are suggesting he’s not that good he is brilliant at doing exactly what Klopp wants him to do why is it so difficult for some to grasp that , yes he’s going to get caught out doing what he’s doing but that’s exactly what and how the manager wants him to play ,
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      Reply #209: Apr 08, 2024 06:49:14 pm
      Quite clearly I’m not - I know Bradley is the new young gun and that means it’s time to pile on TAA but right now Bradley is having a few issues when defending and has been caught out as well as getting silly yellows early - the sort of stuff social media fans ripped TAA





      Dunno if it’s coincidence but in most of Bradley’s games we haven’t had the cover Trent would usually have, whether that be Konate, Matip or when Joe played CB, they would all cover for Trent going forward, Conor didn’t have that against Brighton nor against the MUtants, and I’m sure it’s been the same in a few other matches too, isn’t it sad that some fans have to sound out defensive errors of our own players simply to say “Look I’m right “

      You do really have to question why they’d do that, and then post a video of “evidence “ makes you wonder just how much of a supporter they really are !!   Pathetic really!!


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      Reply #210: Apr 08, 2024 06:53:12 pm




      Dunno if it’s coincidence but in most of Bradley’s games we haven’t had the cover Trent would usually have, whether that be Konate, Matip or when Joe played CB, they would all cover for Trent going forward, Conor didn’t have that against Brighton nor against the MUtants, and I’m sure it’s been the same in a few other matches too, isn’t it sad that some fans have to sound out defensive errors of our own players simply to say “Look I’m right “

      You do really have to question why they’d do that, and then post a video of “evidence “ makes you wonder just how much of a supporter they really are !!   Pathetic really!!


      YNWA

      It’s just the state of some social media fans these days

      We all know that Klopp has no issues with his full backs going forward and relying on the CB’s to cover along with one of the midfielders

      Both Bradley and TAA will get caught out by fast breaks because they are very involved in the attacking phase of the play - same on the other side as well.
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      Reply #211: Apr 08, 2024 08:11:05 pm
      Bradley has been excellent since coming in, have been really impressed with him. 
      We're lucky to have two such good players in him and TAA as RB options.

      Obviously TAA is more experienced and has done it all, but for where the team is now, I prefer a player like Bradley at RB.
      That's not to say that TAA is not a player with huge quality, just feel in the current team, the balance between attack and defense is better with a Bradley type player.

      TAA does create chances, no doubt about that, but it's not like we're not creating lots of chances as it is while he's out.
      Think Klopp will though bring back in a fit TAA ahead of Bradley.  And this could very well help in certain situations, like breaking teams down.

      But Jürgen will be leaving soon and whoever comes in will need to decide how they want to setup defensively and who they want to select in order to do that.
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      Reply #212: Apr 08, 2024 08:40:14 pm
      All Trent wants to do is show everyone how good he can ping/cross a ball, it's literally all he does. He's very lucky he was born with that natural talent, he's in the top few percent for players who can pass as well as he can because believe me if he couldn't, he'd be a very average player and that's a fact.

      To be fair to Trent I don't think he was born with a natural talent to pass the ball, it's a lifetime of hard work, repetition and single minded determination to be 1 of the best footballers at his boyhood club.
      Bradley is a good player, we are lucky to have him, but we should not be criticising Trent, he's contributed a lot to a very successful period in our clubs history.
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      Reply #213: Apr 08, 2024 09:16:18 pm
      To quote a current TV commercial....What a load of Boloney...thoroughly pointless.

      What's pointless about showing a player doing far more defensively than another player in the same position, and better too.
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      Reply #214: Apr 08, 2024 10:20:43 pm
      What's pointless about showing a player doing far more defensively than another player in the same position, and better too.
      There's no context to it. Example: Player A. makes 5 interceptions over 5 games...Player B. makes 10 interceptions over 5 games. This metric suggests player B. is more valuable; Yet, Player A's interceptions might ALL have been preventing a certain goal, whereas Player B. although twice in number might have been higher up the pitch, with no direct threat on goal. You can apply this logic to any of the categories that was on your list.
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      Reply #215: Apr 08, 2024 10:21:23 pm
      What's pointless about showing a player doing far more defensively than another player in the same position, and better too.

      He's not doing far more defensively. You are gaslighting now.
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      Reply #216: Apr 08, 2024 10:27:23 pm
      Bradley has been excellent since coming in, have been really impressed with him. 
      We're lucky to have two such good players in him and TAA as RB options.

      Obviously TAA is more experienced and has done it all, but for where the team is now, I prefer a player like Bradley at RB.
      That's not to say that TAA is not a player with huge quality, just feel in the current team, the balance between attack and defense is better with a Bradley type player.

      TAA does create chances, no doubt about that, but it's not like we're not creating lots of chances as it is while he's out.
      Think Klopp will though bring back in a fit TAA ahead of Bradley.  And this could very well help in certain situations, like breaking teams down.

      But Jürgen will be leaving soon and whoever comes in will need to decide how they want to setup defensively and who they want to select in order to do that.
      I can't believe this is even a subject. Bradley is a great young prospect, he may well go on to be an outstanding player. Trent is one of the best, naturally gifted footballers in the World. Trent when fit is an automatic starter....at any club.
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      Reply #217: Apr 08, 2024 11:28:24 pm
      Let's just be extremely grateful that we have Conor and Trent, two young gifted players with superb quality in our squad.

      How many other teams would love to be in our position.

      Be thankful for that.
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      Reply #218: Apr 09, 2024 07:42:24 am
      Bradley has been excellent since coming in, have been really impressed with him. 
      We're lucky to have two such good players in him and TAA as RB options.

      Obviously TAA is more experienced and has done it all, but for where the team is now, I prefer a player like Bradley at RB.
      That's not to say that TAA is not a player with huge quality, just feel in the current team, the balance between attack and defense is better with a Bradley type player.

      TAA does create chances, no doubt about that, but it's not like we're not creating lots of chances as it is while he's out.
      Think Klopp will though bring back in a fit TAA ahead of Bradley.  And this could very well help in certain situations, like breaking teams down.

      But Jürgen will be leaving soon and whoever comes in will need to decide how they want to setup defensively and who they want to select in order to do that.




      We can all see the commitment and dedication Trent has given and continue’s to give, his versatility is out there, he was a midfielder before he was a RB, the system used by Jürgen he adapted well and became a attacking wing back, we needed cover for when he missed games so we seen Gomez cover and Jimmy Milner,

      Then it was seen he could actually move further forward and play inverted and that seemed to have worked well albeit for a short period, however now that Conor has come thru having both is a absolute Godsend, in short we have the best of both worlds,
      Predominantly Trent would be first choice, and rightly so, but during a game we could move Trent forward as a ATM and bring in Conor, say if Dom got injured or was tiring, yellow carded etc what a asset to have!!

      Not so sure both could start in the same X1 though, I think we’ve missed Trent more than we’re realising, his passing and accuracy would have made the difference in both games Vs MUtants, he would have unlocked defences and created mayhem,

      As good as Conor has been he’s no Trent Alexander Arnold, well not yet at least, next week we should see Trent’s return as well as Jota too, on Sunday it felt like a bi*ch Slap, to have dominated the way we did and drop 2 points,

      Maybe that bi*ch Slap will be the bolster we need, make us refocus on the job in hand and with almost a fully fit squad we really can’t have any excuses if we F**k it up from here??

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      Reply #219: Apr 09, 2024 01:15:46 pm

      Not so sure both could start in the same X1 though, I think we’ve missed Trent more than we’re realising, his passing and accuracy would have made the difference in both games Vs MUtants, he would have unlocked defences and created mayhem,


      Deffo, for breaking teams down, he just has that extra quality on the ball, to see a pass, have a shot, that most other players don't see or have.
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      Reply #220: Apr 16, 2024 02:37:35 pm
      Looks like the boy is out for 3 weeks...
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      Reply #221: Apr 16, 2024 07:44:06 pm
      Fuckity F**k. He'll be a miss. Guess Joe will have to start at least 1 of the next 3 at RB. Probably Fulham. Prefer him at LB than right, but Trent can't be pushed to play 3 games a week.

      Hopefully 3 weeks is a pessimistic estimate for Bradley.

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