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      Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)

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      Reply #1288: Mar 13, 2025 02:20:00 pm
      Sometimes takes him a while to get back to his best.

      These injuries must be really taking their toll on him.

      This is true.
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      Reply #1289: Mar 13, 2025 02:27:20 pm
      Sometimes takes him a while to get back to his best.

      These injuries must be really taking their toll on him.
      Cutting him too much slack here IMO...He's completely match fit. On his day he is more than capable, sadly there just isn't enough of those days.
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      Reply #1290: Mar 13, 2025 02:34:38 pm
      To be fair to Jota natural position is the wing, just that he could play through the middle when needed. His best position is wide imo (which is common theme for all our attackers bar Salah).

      I love Jota but his form has been poor since coming back in January. See how it plays out in the final two months for him as I suspect he has Slots trust so he will get lots of playing time and see what we have going forward. Everything looks a struggle for him atm.

      Not quick nor tricky enough for the wing. He is a solid finisher, not Fowler level finisher, but solid.

      The main issue I've always had with Jota is because he isn't particularly quick, nor is he a great technician (stealing a Brendan Rodgers favourite here), he has nothing to offset that slight frame of his. Too often he is anonymous in games as he doesn't do anywhere near enough in general play, as you only really see him when he is on the end of chances.

      The PSG defenders had a very easy time when he was on the field. He had 9 duels and won 1 on Tuesday. Last week was just as bad. He is a lightweight who doesn't have other attributes required to compensate.

      Owen was small, but he was rapid (even after the hamstring went he was still quick, though not as lightening quick). Modric is another lightweight, but a maestro with the ball. Messi only 5'7", not rapid either, but the most gifted player to ever put on a pair of boots. Harvey, another lightweight in the team, he won't nail down a starting spot unless he develops technically.

      Jota has never been a starter at the club. It's been Mane, Firmino, Salah when he arrived, then with Diaz coming in for Mane, Nunez came in and was meant to take over the #9 from Firmino, but he has been a flop. Jota has always been the extra option, the one to deputise for the main man. It's the same with Portugal. He is the extra option. The main issue is Nunez has not delivered so the extra option is suddenly being elevated by default.

      We need to be bringing in an elite foward to start games. Nunez is still the best option we have now for at least he offers us a physical presence up front and works the defenders, while allowing the others to benefit. A large reason we have this final at Wembley is Nunez's display vs Spurs. He cannot finish like Jota, but he is a much better player in general play.
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      Reply #1291: Mar 13, 2025 02:36:06 pm
      Love Diogo. My favourite player but he hasnt pulled any trees up since he came back. We need more from him.

      He did well on the left under klopp, he played there much more than striker and if Nunez is starting the final id like to see Diogo on that left side as im just about done with diaz and Cody did not look right on tuesdsy night.

      Jota also has a decent record 'i think' from memory against Newcastle , so id try him back on the left side of the front 3.
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      Reply #1292: Mar 13, 2025 02:49:00 pm
      Cutting him too much slack here IMO...He's completely match fit. On his day he is more than capable, sadly there just isn't enough of those days.

      Yes the match fitness thing is a red herring. We could use that same excuse for Chiesa, a player with a much higher pedigree than Jota.

      The fact we have seen 3 wingers in Diaz, Gakpo and Salah play so often tells us what Slot thinks of our two strikers.

      What doesn't make sense is his treatment of Chiesa, as prior to Plymouth he was bigging him up, yet we haven't seen him since. Nobody played well that day in what was a much weakened team, midfield especially, and the worst performer was Jota, yet he still gets a go, and still contributes the sum total of nothing (bar the assist for Mo at Villa).

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      Reply #1293: Mar 13, 2025 04:53:43 pm
      So disappointed in Jota’s  current form, he’s has been shocking lately
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      Reply #1294: Mar 13, 2025 08:43:28 pm
      So disappointed in Jota’s  current form, he’s has been shocking lately

      Stick him on the left, as Gakpo won't be fit and Diaz is Diaz. Then  throw Nunez down the middle, see if something happens.

      The Diaz + Nunez combo is diabolical, 2 headless chickens per team is too much, and Jota as CF does not cut it, so either go LW Jota + CF Nunez, or play Diaz + Jones or something.
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      Reply #1295: Mar 14, 2025 02:30:14 pm
      Not quick nor tricky enough for the wing. He is a solid finisher, not Fowler level finisher, but solid.

      He isn't skillful but he when he is on form he is effective at finding pockets of space and is quick enough to break lines and making opening to move the ball forward  or give himself space to shoot. Also in addition he is good heading the ball for a player his height. I always felt supporters do him a disservice when they just label him as "a finisher" and nothing more.

      I just worry for him all these injuries are starting ti catch up him. See how it plays out for him.
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1296: Mar 14, 2025 03:00:22 pm
      Not worth a gamble, injury prone, too inconsistent. 
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      Reply #1297: Mar 15, 2025 07:01:20 pm
      He isn't skillful but he when he is on form he is effective at finding pockets of space and is quick enough to break lines and making opening to move the ball forward  or give himself space to shoot. Also in addition he is good heading the ball for a player his height. I always felt supporters do him a disservice when they just label him as "a finisher" and nothing more.

      I just worry for him all these injuries are starting ti catch up him. See how it plays out for him.

      Yeah, he's deceptively good at dribbling down the wing, despite not being fast. Wouldn't be the craziest thing to try out.
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1298: Mar 16, 2025 06:50:02 pm
      Last good game he had anyone?

      Has the physicality of a battered mars bar.
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      Reply #1299: Mar 16, 2025 07:27:30 pm
      Last good game he had anyone?

      Has the physicality of a battered mars bar.

      If he starts him vs Everton, I think I may cry.

      The mistreatment of Chiesa, a player who is never anonymous, and the astonishing favouritism toward Jota, the essence of anonymous.

      In the 3 competitions we have been knocked out of, this anonymous chap has started all of them despite zero merit in him doing so. The Plymouth game should be excused given the line up, but the other two, what does he have to do to get dropped?

      Chiesa has world class pedigree, Jota is not in the class of Sturridge, a second tier forward.
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      Reply #1300: Mar 16, 2025 09:17:03 pm
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1302: Mar 16, 2025 09:29:08 pm
      Think all his injuries have just accelerated his decline, seems to have lost that little bit of acceleration he used to have.
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      Reply #1303: Mar 16, 2025 09:41:00 pm
      They never said exactly what happened with that injury. The rumour was lung damage right? Would at least explain to an extent wtf has happened to him. Cos he just looks an absolute shell. Having no impact whatsoever
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      Reply #1304: Mar 16, 2025 10:05:07 pm
      Think all his injuries have just accelerated his decline, seems to have lost that little bit of acceleration he used to have.

      Injuries may have has some impact, but he was never rapid. He has never been a player who put fear in defenders with his pace.

      As I said before, when you have a slight frame and aren't physically imposing, to compensate for this you need to be either A.rapid or B.technically great on the ball. He is neither.

      Sturridge, who we would rank among our second tier fowards, ie. great but short of being world class, had far more to his game than Jota.

      From the day he arrived, Jota has only ever been a bench option. But for Nunez stinking the place out that's where he would be now. In fact he should be regardless, as there are far better options, Nunez included, than starting a physical lightweight in the side whose contribution to general play is negligible. The reason we got to this final was the performance of Nunez. 100% I'd have started him, if we were playing with a #9, if not then Jones as an extra midfielder.

      And Jota is 28. So this is not a case of a player the wrong side of 30 (Mo).

      Too often he is a passenger. And we cannot carry passengers at this level.

      With such nothingness upfront, the focal point of attack, also hinders the others. Without Firmino neither Mo or Mane do what they did. Or to use a more physical forward, without Heskey to feed off Owen does not do what he did. When Jota plays there, a complete lightweight and not particularly creative, the others have nothing to work off.

      Tidy finisher, and had he been on the field for pens we'd have been very confident he would have scored as he did at a crucial point in the FA Cup final after Sadio had missed, but you need more than that to be a starting #9 at this club, and the same applies with Portugal.

      When we are on top and camped in the opposition half, then Jota comes into his own, as he can finish chances. But in a more even game, when more is asked of the #9, he is lacking, and in such games is largely anonymous.
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1305: Mar 16, 2025 10:07:30 pm
      Less words, more action.
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      Reply #1306: Mar 16, 2025 10:17:50 pm

      Fight for the league is right. Too many on here think it's done.

      Every game from now until it's mathematically done should be a fight.

      Diogo has hit this form before and I called for him to be sold. Think he then went on a run of scoring 10 goals in 10 or something.

      I'm loathed to call for his sale but there is no denying the run of form he's on is worrying and probably puts him at risk of the chop if the club was being ruthless.
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1307: Mar 16, 2025 10:25:06 pm
      Injuries may have has some impact, but he was never rapid. He has never been a player who put fear in defenders with his pace.

      As I said before, when you have a slight frame and aren't physically imposing, to compensate for this you need to be either A.rapid or B.technically great on the ball. He is neither.

      Sturridge, who we would rank among our second tier fowards, ie. great but short of being world class, had far more to his game than Jota.

      From the day he arrived, Jota has only ever been a bench option. But for Nunez stinking the place out that's where he would be now. In fact he should be regardless, as there are far better options, Nunez included, than starting a physical lightweight in the side whose contribution to general play is negligible. The reason we got to this final was the performance of Nunez. 100% I'd have started him, if we were playing with a #9, if not then Jones as an extra midfielder.

      And Jota is 28. So this is not a case of a player the wrong side of 30 (Mo).

      Too often he is a passenger. And we cannot carry passengers at this level.

      With such nothingness upfront, the focal point of attack, also hinders the others. Without Firmino neither Mo or Mane do what they did. Or to use a more physical forward, without Heskey to feed off Owen does not do what he did. When Jota plays there, a complete lightweight and not particularly creative, the others have nothing to work off.

      Tidy finisher, and had he been on the field for pens we'd have been very confident he would have scored as he did at a crucial point in the FA Cup final after Sadio had missed, but you need more than that to be a starting #9 at this club, and the same applies with Portugal.

      When we are on top and camped in the opposition half, then Jota comes into his own, as he can finish chances. But in a more even game, when more is asked of the #9, he is lacking, and in such games is largely anonymous.


      He’s never been a sprinter over 100m but always had enough acceleration to get past his man and usually get a shot off but that seems a long time ago now.
      He’s still a decent option when we dominate teams and have them pinned in their own half, well better than Nunez at least.

      It’s games like today and PSG where he’s virtually useless playing deep and he’s never going to out muscle defenders when we are hoofing balls up the pitch.

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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1308: Mar 16, 2025 10:52:45 pm
      He’s never been a sprinter over 100m but always had enough acceleration to get past his man and usually get a shot off but that seems a long time ago now.
      He’s still a decent option when we dominate teams and have them pinned in their own half, well better than Nunez at least.

      It’s games like today and PSG where he’s virtually useless playing deep and he’s never going to out muscle defenders when we are hoofing balls up the pitch.

      That quick run he makes to get a sight of goal that you refer to is penalty box stuff. Further outfield, which is where the #9 will be in more even games (or games where we are up against it), as it has been in the last 3 games, you need more than than that. He has looked lost in those games. Thrown in at the deep end. Firmino held the ball up and fed the others. Jota cannot do that. Nunez challenges defenders aerially (as he did at PSG), run the channels and creates space for Mo. Jota cannot do that. Jota had 9 duels vs PSG at Anfield, won 1.

      He has always been a limited player. Very penalty box orientated. And as you said when we are camped in the opposition half, yes he becomes useful as he is a good finisher. At this level though, cup finals and CL games vs the elite, you need a #9 who operates more than just being a finisher who gets on the end of stuff.

      He is a lesser player than Sturridge. That's where he is at.
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1309: Mar 16, 2025 10:58:39 pm
      Used to be unreliable fitness wise but a deadly finisher when fit. Not sure what he's offering now. Perhaps age and repeated injuries are finally catching up. He has lost a touch of pace for me which was always important precisely because he was never particularly quick in the first place, and to operate effectively a diminutive forward needs every advantage he can get.
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      Re: Diogo Jota Player Thread (F)
      Reply #1310: Yesterday at 08:39:07 pm

      To be honest right now I'd be using him as an impact sub last 15/20 etc

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