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      What should Liverpool want re The EFL?

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      Robby The Z
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      What should Liverpool want re The EFL?
      Oct 01, 2020 01:22:07 pm
      Hopefully some of you are willing to engage in discussion here. I've been reading a good bit about just how dire the financial situation is for so many of the English Football League clubs right now. Depending on what develops over the course of this season with CoVid and its impact on the economy (and live events), many of these clubs are perilously close to failing permanently.

      So what can be done? I'd like to see the biggest clubs so what they can, but I don't think just handing out money (as if) is really the answer. I know these clubs will need to maintain their identity in the community, but perhaps an arrangement can be made that benefits both those clubs and the biggest EPL perennnials - something to do with a player development arrangement perhaps where the bigger clubs assume the costs of part of those teams' payrolls.

      Questions:

      1. Do you agree that a lot of clubs are in danger of going under over the next year?

      2. What should a big club like Liverpool try to do about it (if anything)?

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      Reply #1: Oct 01, 2020 01:32:00 pm
      I wouldn't be surprised if the Premiership suggested their u23 sides playing in the EFL in return for whatever money they plan on loaning (low to no interest) them to keep afloat during Covid times.

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      Reply #2: Oct 01, 2020 01:34:07 pm
      The clubs should well, the PL should help and the govt should help. No one wins if EFL clubs disappear.
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      Reply #3: Oct 05, 2020 01:27:29 pm
      Not entirely sure this is an issue for the Premier League clubs to solve.  Yes they earn hundreds of millions, but by that very nature they also contribute hugely in tax, VAT etc etc.  If there is a problem with the tax system then that is up to the government to solve.

      There are some Championship clubs who have probably been out spending decent sums on players so the intricacies in deciding who needs help must be far too complicated.

      Lower league clubs are ultimately in the same position as other businesses.  Some of them have set up TV packages for fans to pay for games. If they are viable in the long term then they should have access to cheap loans as all other businesses that can be repaid over a long period.  If a lower league club's finances are in such a perilous state that they can't repay a loan covering 1 year of expenses over the next 10-15 years then they were probably in trouble long before this pandemic.
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      Reply #4: Oct 05, 2020 02:13:22 pm
      It's not up to the Premier League clubs to bail out the lower leagues. The reason there are no fans is because the government won't allow them back. The big clubs (and many of the smaller and even championship ones) invested a lot of money to put things in place that would allow fans safely back in and now the government is saying that they aren't allowed.

      I'm not typically for government intervention in the free market, but government intervention is partially causing this issue so they should be the ones on the hook to help out, not the Premier League clubs.


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      Reply #5: Oct 05, 2020 06:13:50 pm
      It's not up to the Premier League clubs to bail out the lower leagues. The reason there are no fans is because the government won't allow them back. The big clubs (and many of the smaller and even championship ones) invested a lot of money to put things in place that would allow fans safely back in and now the government is saying that they aren't allowed.

      I'm not typically for government intervention in the free market, but government intervention is partially causing this issue so they should be the ones on the hook to help out, not the Premier League clubs.




      Would be f**king nice if due to the amount of money swirling round the Premier League they helped out grassroots football and lower league teams.
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      Reply #6: Oct 05, 2020 06:53:04 pm
      Would be f**king nice if due to the amount of money swirling round the Premier League they helped out grassroots football and lower league teams.

      Sure, but it would make a bigger difference if they figured out a way to leverage their assistance to build the future. If each club just gives X amount of money, we'll probably be in the same boat in another year.

      But set up some kind of loan program whereby bigger clubs are covering some of the lower league wage bills on an ongoing basis, that would make sense for both sides.
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      Reply #7: Oct 05, 2020 08:00:56 pm
      The premier league have a duty of care and good will to help out however they can, rumours of conditions such as a strict salary cap and no relegation in case of the season being abandoned are utterly pathetic. This not our problem attitude sums up modern football and life in general
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      Reply #8: Oct 06, 2020 03:26:47 am
      The premier league have a duty of care and good will to help out however they can, rumours of conditions such as a strict salary cap and no relegation in case of the season being abandoned are utterly pathetic. This not our problem attitude sums up modern football and life in general

      With the pandemic going on, I agree. The FA and the government have to intervene and help any lower league clubs who may be struggling because they rely on gates etc.

      But in general, I disagree and it’s one of my main annoyances in football that. Really winds me up when a club goes bust and everybody says ‘why didn’t Liverpool or Man U help them out, they’ve got loads of money’. Yeah, I fell sorry for the innocent fans but it’s not on us (or anybody else) to save f**king Bury.

      The problem you have is, once you help a club out, then their knobhead owners will continue to run their clubs poorly knowing full well when it all goes tits up somebody will come along and bail them out.

      And it’s the same in life in general actually.
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      Reply #9: Oct 06, 2020 01:04:53 pm
      Liverpool don’t have loads of money, how the hell are they supposed to bail out a championship club? That’s just stupid.
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      Reply #10: Oct 06, 2020 01:57:28 pm
      Liverpool don’t have loads of money, how the hell are they supposed to bail out a championship club? That’s just stupid.

      i don't think there are many clubs who have a lot of money these days but the bigger clubs should be able to put some money in the collection basket to help out the lower league clubs. The majority of the aid should come from the league and govt, however.
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      Reply #11: Oct 06, 2020 05:03:28 pm
      I didn’t see many clubs step up when we were on the brink..

      If your running a insolvent business then you shouldn’t be in business & expect the top clubs bailing you out..

      It’s like asking Blue chip companies to bail out the independents..
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      Reply #12: Oct 06, 2020 05:12:48 pm
      I didn’t see many clubs step up when we were on the brink..

      If your running a insolvent business then you shouldn’t be in business & expect the top clubs bailing you out..

      It’s like asking Blue chip companies to bail out the independents..

      I don't think you would have liked anyone bailing us out and kept H&G, but this is different. This is because govt shutdown mandate, not because teams are necessarily poorly run, even if i'm sure there are some that are. I imagine attendance plus concessions revenue are a much bigger piece of the revenue pie than with PL teams.
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      Reply #13: Oct 06, 2020 05:40:51 pm
      Liverpool don’t have loads of money, how the hell are they supposed to bail out a championship club? That’s just stupid.

      It's not about physically giving clubs the money themselves but agreeing that money comes out of the central pot
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      Reply #14: Oct 06, 2020 05:43:18 pm
      I didn’t see many clubs step up when we were on the brink..

      If your running a insolvent business then you shouldn’t be in business & expect the top clubs bailing you out..

      It’s like asking Blue chip companies to bail out the independents..

      If you are running a solvent business and your main source income is taken away through no fault of your own then it isn't wrong to look for help.
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      Reply #15: Oct 06, 2020 05:51:04 pm
      Liverpool don’t have loads of money, how the hell are they supposed to bail out a championship club? That’s just stupid.

      Why just Liverpool, why not the Premier League as a whole?  Plenty of f**king money still being spent this transfer window that shows up the PL clubs crying about money as absolute bollocks.

      As fatkopite put it, we have a duty of care to help out other lower clubs with financial assistance.
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      Reply #16: Oct 06, 2020 05:53:22 pm
      I didn’t see many clubs step up when we were on the brink..

      If your running a insolvent business then you shouldn’t be in business & expect the top clubs bailing you out..

      It’s like asking Blue chip companies to bail out the independents..

      You forgotten Shankly's socialism already?
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      Reply #17: Oct 06, 2020 06:15:41 pm
      They should put a levy on footballer salaries during the pandemic to support the grassroots game and lower leagues. If you making over 50k a week, you have enough to manage your way though a pinch spanning 6 - 12 months.
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      Reply #18: Oct 06, 2020 06:26:53 pm
      They should put a levy on footballer salaries during the pandemic to support the grassroots game and lower leagues. If you making over 50k a week, you have enough to manage your way though a pinch spanning 6 - 12 months.

      I believe some clubs did ask players to take a pay cut to support the other staff. Tottenham comes to mind.
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      Reply #19: Oct 06, 2020 07:42:40 pm
      Great shame to see a team like Macclesfield fold up, I remember them in the old Cheshire league against my home town Rhyl, who themselves have struggled to survive It is finding the right solution to the problem.
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      Reply #20: Oct 07, 2020 10:50:42 am
      FA, EPL & UKGUV should all be helping the lower league clubs right now.
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      Reply #21: Oct 08, 2020 12:45:37 am
      How about the fans of these clubs turn up to their stadium each Saturday and simply post the cost of a ticket in a letterbox?
      Like a charity. Just for a while. That would be proper supporting your club.

      A lot of these clubs barely break even so perhaps we should let nature take its course and cull the teams that barely survive. Communities will carry on. Other businesses will thrive. It’s the nature of the beast.

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      Reply #22: Oct 08, 2020 08:30:27 am
      How about the fans of these clubs turn up to their stadium each Saturday and simply post the cost of a ticket in a letterbox?
      Like a charity. Just for a while. That would be proper supporting your club.

      A lot of these clubs barely break even so perhaps we should let nature take its course and cull the teams that barely survive. Communities will carry on. Other businesses will thrive. It’s the nature of the beast.



      Sounds like something from the tory handbook!!
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      Reply #23: Oct 08, 2020 07:46:25 pm
      Sounds like something from the tory handbook!!

       :)

      Could be a both/and situation. Charities can receive support from both public AND private sectors.

      I'm starting to wonder how many professional footballers might be out of work over the next 12 months.
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      Reply #24: Oct 08, 2020 09:44:13 pm
      Sounds like something from the tory handbook!!

      Maybe... but clubs need the money and the fans have that money spare so just post it to the club. When things go back to normal the club can make a gesture like ‘name a seat’ after the real supporters who really saves the club.
      Instead of ‘Row A seat 164’ it can be ‘Row A seat Garner’

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