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      Robby The Z
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      Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Oct 12, 2020 05:31:42 am
      From The Telegraph: summary of Project Big Picture. Sorry such a lengthy post.

      Rescue Fund
      An immediate rescue fund of £350,000,000 to the English Football League and Football Association for lost revenues of 2019/20 and 2020/21...

      For the EFL:

      £50,000,000 to cover 2019/20 EFL matchday losses;

      Up to £200,000,000 available to cover 2020/21 EFL matchday losses;

      Money will be advanced to the EFL from increased future revenues.

      For the FA:

      £100,000,000 in grants, made up of £55,000,000 to cover operational losses, £25,000,000 for clubs below the EFL, £10,000,000 for the Women’s Super League and Championship, £10,000,000 for grassroots

      Funds to be made available by the Premier League through loans guaranteed by the clubs.

      Infrastructure Plan
      Infrastructure funding of 6% of Premier League gross revenues to be distributed annually to the top four divisions.

      Each club will receive £100 per seat annually.

      Infrastructure funding can only be used for stadia and fan experiences.

      Fan Charter
      A cap of £20 on Premier League away ticketing (adjusted every 3 years for inflation)

      Subsidised Premier League away travel

      Safe-standing sections at the discretion of each club, subject to government permission.

      Away sections must provide at least 3,000 or 8% of capacity, whichever is higher.

      Annual Good Causes
      An increase of 66% in annual contributions to good causes in England.

      A total of 5% of Premier League gross income to be contributed annually to good causes and grassroots football, to include focus on combatting racism and discrimination.

      Redistribution of Media & Sponsorship Revenues (three possible options)
      Option A: 50% equal, 25% current-year merit, 25% previous 3-year merit

      A greater emphasis will be placed on merit in both the Premier League and the Championship with half of payments reflecting positions over the past four years.

      Option B: Current Premier League distribution scheme (50% equal, 25% by merit and 25% by facility fees) but newly promoted clubs must holdback £25m of first two years in the Premier League to mitigate risk of relegation.

      Option C: Current Premier League distribution scheme, but newly promoted clubs receive 25% of their allocated Facility Fees for first 3 years in league.

      For all above options:
      Excluding parachute payments and including new infrastructure payments, solidarity from the Premier League to the English Football League would increase from 4% to 25%.

      Premier League and English Football League domestic and international media rights will be collectively sold by the Premier League.

      Compensation payments to The EFL and FA, infrastructure monies and related borrowings are deducted prior to determination of distributable revenues.

      Pyramid structure
      The Premier League, originally formed to house 18 clubs,would be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.

      This would free up the calendar and, with fewer teams and an end to parachute payments, provide additional resources to the EFL.

      Reduction from 38 to 34 rounds of matches will also aid the national team.

      Championships, League One and League Two to all be made up of 24 clubs

      Promotion and relegation
      Premier League relegation: At least two clubs automatically relegated annually

      Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

      Club finishing 16th in the Premier League to join four-team Championship play-off tournament for final Premier League place, with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th in the Championships. Semi-finals would be 16th place Premier League team vs 5th place Championship team and 3rd place Championship team vs 4th place Championship team.

      Championship: Relegation of three clubs

      League One: Promotion of three clubs. Relegation of four clubs

      League Two: Promotion of four clubs. Relegation of four clubs 

      Club media
      All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

      All Premier League and Championship clubs allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms.

      No more than 27 games per club will be shown live in UK per season

      Saturday 3pm broadcast blackouts remain to help protect EFL attendance

      Other competitions
      League Cup and Community Shield discontinued;

      Establishment of a new independent league for the Women’s professional game, not to be owned by the Premier League or The Football Association;

      FA Cup replays retained but there will be no replays in the winter break;

      Premier League begins later in August and pre-season friendlies extended;

      No more than two weeks between the end of the Premier League and the Champions League final;

      Premier League clubs must participate at least once every five years in the Premier League summer tournament.

      Other structural changes
       

      Elite Player Performance Plan funding is included in the revenue received by EFL clubs;

      Clubs in League One and below are no longer required to have an academy;

      Clubs permitted to have up to 15 players out on loan domestically at any time, including up to four in a single English club. Introduction of one month loans for players under 23, an ability to recall loanees in the event of managerial change, incentivise loanee clubs through payments based on future performance or sale of loaned players;

      Remove the scholarship clause permitting players to terminate at any stage;

      No restrictions on loans in;

      Player contracts: Lump sums permitted to be payable from the start of employment.  Force majeure provisions to be added to protect against clubs' insolvency.

      Cost Controls & Related Party Income
      Financial Fair Play rules that align with Uefa to ensure English clubs are not at a disadvantage in Europe;

      A £50 million cap per annum on all related party transactions and a more stringent ‘related party’ definition;

      Premier League executive provided with full access to clubs accounting information to investigate cost control

      A joint Premier League and Championship body will monitor cost controls.

      The English Football League will introduce hard salary caps.

      Governance
      All material matters relating to the business of the Premier League will require shareholder approval, except that the Board will decide whether to approve a new owner;

       All votes will require more than two-thirds majority to be approved;

      All other votes for the operation of the Premier League will be one-club, one-vote except those provided for under ‘Special Voting Rights’

      Special Voting Rights
      Each of the nine clubs who, at any time of determination, have been members of the Premier League continuously for more seasons than other clubs will be considered a ‘Long-Term Shareholder’.

      Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can cause to be adopted without approval from the other clubs:

      i) the election or removal of the CEO and/or a member of the board;

      ii) amendments to cost control rules and regulations;

      iii) contracts for the sale of league broadcasting and media rights

      Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can prevent from being adopted resolutions to:

      i) change the distribution rights of the sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting rights sold

      centrally;

      ii) change the distribution to clubs from other PL centralised rights or assets

      c) alter in a material way the nature of the competition

      Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can veto the Premier League board’s approval of a proposed new owner.
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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Reply #1: Oct 12, 2020 08:49:26 am
      This is essentially that the 'big six' want to control their own media revenues and sell their own games directly to their own fans.

      Lot more money for United, Liverpool etc, slightly more money short term for the non-PL clubs and it will be paid for by the bottom 14 clubs in the Premier League.

      At the minute, money is redistributed relatively evenly throughout the Premier League but these changes will make it far more like La Liga where Barcelona and Madrid's earnings are huge multiples of the rest.
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      Reply #2: Oct 12, 2020 09:32:50 am
      This is essentially that the 'big six' want to control their own media revenues and sell their own games directly to their own fans.

      Lot more money for United, Liverpool etc, slightly more money short term for the non-PL clubs and it will be paid for by the bottom 14 clubs in the Premier League.

      At the minute, money is redistributed relatively evenly throughout the Premier League but these changes will make it far more like La Liga where Barcelona and Madrid's earnings are huge multiples of the rest.

      Good Summary of a very convoluted, bribe laden document.

      I think most would agree that the premier league needs a shake up but I don't think putting majority power in the hands of the few is even remotely a good idea.
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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Reply #3: Oct 12, 2020 09:39:29 am
      Wish we didn’t have our prints all over this.
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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Reply #4: Oct 12, 2020 09:56:22 am
      Another scheme to make the rich richer, with a veiled
      Attempt to make it seem like all the lower leagues and grass roots will benefit, but in the long term they clearly won’t.
      Bin it!

      If they want to help anyone but themselves, stop paying players obscene amounts of money, lower the ticket prices and the outrageous cost of merchandise, i.e. shirts.
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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Reply #5: Oct 12, 2020 11:06:52 am
      Very very unfair, same old adage, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I'm against it but as I'm classed at poorer they don't give a dam. Basically benefits half a dozen clubs or so whereas the majority can get fu**ed over.
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      Reply #6: Oct 12, 2020 11:13:35 am
      Goes completely against what the City of Liverpool stands for, absolutely shameful
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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Reply #7: Oct 12, 2020 11:49:34 am
      Ill need to read it in more detail but off the bat I see plus and negatives

      Example why should a club like say WBA who come up for a season then go back down, up down like a yoyo have an equal say in issues to say ourselves or utd?

      Flip side is how is it fair that 6 to 9 clubs have all the power, they will never allow anything change that might have an impact on them...

      Like I say more reading on it needed some pros some cons to it but overall is this dangerous ground?
      « Last Edit: Oct 12, 2020 03:04:18 pm by Brian78 »
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      Reply #8: Oct 12, 2020 01:54:03 pm
      The rescue package should've been put on the table without the power grab. I'd say it's the top 6 having total control is the biggest objection. To clarify that - It's actually the 9 clubs with the longest serving Premier league clubs.

      Namely...........Man.U. Man.C. LFC, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Soton and West Ham. The proposal is on that front to get RID of the 14 vote threshold for a vote to pass. Under the Big Picture it will need 6 out of the top 9 to get a proposal passed.

      It's obviously an opportunistic power grab. No doubt the wealth of the game is disproportionately dominated by the Premier League. This BP does try to address that but it's the power grab element of the deal that most object to.

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      Reply #9: Oct 12, 2020 01:56:26 pm
      Not sure how this will ever get approved as it will amount to clubs agreeing to give up any power they have to a few of the top clubs.

      That said, let's not pretend that every club, whether at the top or the bottom, will make decisions based solely on their own best interest. This showed with the discussions about what to do about the league during Covid. Some clubs wanted to just freeze the standings, some wanted null and void, some wanted to see it finished, etc....


      And as someone said up above, why should a club that has no real investment in the Premier League save a season or two here or there have the same kind of voting power as a club that contributes heavily to the overall amount of revenue that is being re-distributed.

      Yes, we make a ton of money (as does United) but we spend a ton to bring in all that money, then it's redistributed to clubs that aren't doing anything to contribute or even worse, are being run poorly or financially mismanaged?

      There needs to be something done, but I doubt this proposal in its current form is going to be what happens. Probably a lot more compromise is going to need to be made.
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      Reply #10: Oct 12, 2020 04:34:42 pm
      It will get approved with tweaks I reckon.

      Lower league clubs are desperate just now, so compromises will happen, but they need the money now.

      The top 6 having too much voting power is not so cool, some of the rest of it makes sense, (e.g. £20 for away day tickets)


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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
      Reply #11: Oct 12, 2020 07:07:13 pm
      Very very unfair, same old adage, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I'm against it but as I'm classed at poorer they don't give a dam. Basically benefits half a dozen clubs or so whereas the majority can get fu**ed over.

      If the big clubs want to see the clubs below the Premiership get screwed over, as you say, all they have to do is nothing. Those smaller clubs will be dropping like flies in the coming 2-3 years if something forward-thinking isn't done. The fact that the main drivers of the economic engine are gaining more control over the finances of the deal shouldn't be some shocker. It's reality.

      If people read the details (and it's a long OP,  I know), the plan for distributing the wealth is far more socialistic and benevolent than anything happening now.
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      Reply #12: Oct 12, 2020 07:13:46 pm
      https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/12/project-big-pictures-offer-to-efl-clubs-you-will-be-looked-after-and-know-your-place

      One notable excerpt from this Jonathan Liew article:

      Disraeli deplores the widening gap between rich and poor. He chides the avarice of the ruling class and the thoughtless worship of wealth. He declares: “Power has only one duty – to secure the social welfare of the PEOPLE.”

      This isn’t the slash-and-burn conservatism of Thatcher or the early industrialists. It is moderate, enlightened, pragmatic, and yet still utterly in thrall to old power and old money. And reading through the detail of Project Big Picture, the audacious power grab authored by the owners of Liverpool and Manchester United, it was impossible not to be struck by common threads.

      In a way, the proposals leaked to the Telegraph over the weekend were the epitome of sporting paternalism: a generous redistribution of wealth, enforced by a startling consolidation of power. At a stroke, it would secure the financial future of the English league pyramid while rigidly strengthening existing hierarchies.

      The implicit message to England’s smaller clubs: yes, we’re all in this together, you will be looked after. You can exist in dignity and comfort. But you will also know your place. It is the equivalent of giving a drowning man a lifejacket in exchange for his right to vote."
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      Reply #13: Oct 12, 2020 07:14:02 pm
      It’s another nail in the coffin of the beautiful game.
      It’s all about money. If this happens then there will be no way back. It will basically be the big 6 club where other teams are invited to make up the number.

      But to actually reduce the league so they can fit in more money making pre season friendly tours is sickening.

      I think I’d rather have 40 teams in the premier league, play each other once at a neutral venue and every team splits all tv money equally. Yes it would mean only anfield being our home in cup and European competition but I’d rather that than this other monstrosity of an idea. At least it would be more fair.

      But money will talk.
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      Reply #14: Oct 12, 2020 07:23:13 pm
      It’s another nail in the coffin of the beautiful game.
      It’s all about money. If this happens then there will be no way back. It will basically be the big 6 club where other teams are invited to make up the number.

      But to actually reduce the league so they can fit in more money making pre season friendly tours is sickening.

      I think I’d rather have 40 teams in the premier league, play each other once at a neutral venue and every team splits all tv money equally. Yes it would mean only anfield being our home in cup and European competition but I’d rather that than this other monstrosity of an idea. At least it would be more fair.

      But money will talk.

      Meanwhile many of those clubs for whom you are concerned about fairness are wondering how they are going to keep afloat beyond Christmas.

      The world I think many who reflexively dismiss this are pining for - it doesn't exist anymore. It just doesn't.

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      Reply #15: Oct 12, 2020 07:36:13 pm
      Meanwhile many of those clubs for whom you are concerned about fairness are wondering how they are going to keep afloat beyond Christmas.

      The world I think many who reflexively dismiss this are pining for - it doesn't exist anymore. It just doesn't.

      No it doesn’t. But to suggest that little clubs can only exist if the Big 6 become all powerful is wrong. There is enough money in the premier league to distribute it without the need to give more privelage to the already entitled clubs.
      There is a reason why mike Ashley and such don’t want to part easily with their money cow. It’s greed.
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      Reply #16: Oct 12, 2020 07:53:07 pm
      It doesn't sit well with me either but at the very least there is something seemingly being done, the EPL are sitting with their fingers up their Arses doing f**k all, not to mention that useless kunt Taylor of the PFA, he's happy raking in his millions each year for doing very little for those players struggling in the lower leagues,

      In my mind this is the big 6(9) weilding the axe, their intentions seem good but to what or who's end,it reminds me of how capitalism favours the rich, where something like only 11% own 79% of the wealth,

      A lot needs to be ironed out first before it's approved and I'm not sure it will hold us in a good light, I'm not enamoured that FSG are having a big say in this....my question is....what's in it for them ? Their business men after all and they don't shake the hornets nest for no reason,  or is it that this fella Billy Beane wants more than just a share of FSG ?

      Bit of a coincidence,  No ?


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      Reply #17: Oct 12, 2020 11:10:24 pm
      No it doesn’t. But to suggest that little clubs can only exist if the Big 6 become all powerful is wrong. There is enough money in the premier league to distribute it without the need to give more privelage to the already entitled clubs.
      There is a reason why mike Ashley and such don’t want to part easily with their money cow. It’s greed.

      Greed will be around with or without this proposal.
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      Reply #18: Oct 12, 2020 11:13:04 pm
      It doesn't sit well with me either but at the very least there is something seemingly being done, the EPL are sitting with their fingers up their Arses doing f**k all, not to mention that useless kunt Taylor of the PFA, he's happy raking in his millions each year for doing very little for those players struggling in the lower leagues,

      In my mind this is the big 6(9) weilding the axe, their intentions seem good but to what or who's end,it reminds me of how capitalism favours the rich, where something like only 11% own 79% of the wealth,

      A lot needs to be ironed out first before it's approved and I'm not sure it will hold us in a good light, I'm not enamoured that FSG are having a big say in this....my question is....what's in it for them ? Their business men after all and they don't shake the hornets nest for no reason,  or is it that this fella Billy Beane wants more than just a share of FSG ?

      Bit of a coincidence,  No ?


                                             YNWA

      I think it's in the big 6 interest to have a healthy platform from which to do their thing. That includes the rest of English football, not just the Premier League teams. Note the bit about expanded loans, no limit on how many loans in an EFL team can make, those all can be very helpful to the top teams in developing players (for keeping AND for selling). So sure, there is self-interest in this, but that doesn't make it exclusive to genuinely helping the lower leagues by giving them cash short term as well as giving them a more viable setup to do alright going forward.
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      Re: Liverpool and United plan shake up of Premier League
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      Reply #20: Oct 13, 2020 05:22:59 am

      If the club were to realize the potential commercial and media revenue through these deals plus the investment, it could easily switch ticketing policy to where every seat is affordable to all, not diverted to brokers and corporate tours, etc.  The money from the other would dwarf match day revenue.

      I doubt they would do this, but they could.

      Even when they come to America for preseason it about breaks my wallet just to get a regular ticket.
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      Reply #21: Oct 13, 2020 06:30:42 am
      Goes completely against what the City of Liverpool stands for, absolutely shameful

      Exactly, I'm not from Liverpool but I have been supporting this team from the age of 5 due to my father. Everyone know that the city represented the working class and even Manchester was too.

      We need to distribute the money fairly depending on your final position.
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      Reply #22: Oct 13, 2020 10:49:46 am
      Bit of old school american capitalism isnt it really?
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      Reply #23: Oct 13, 2020 01:30:09 pm
      Put their hat in the ring for sure. The stumbling block will be the top 6 effectively having full control. They will obviously manipulate the market to screw as much revenue as possible out of it. TV revenue will be of vital importance. Pay per view as well.

      The £14.95 pay per view was the Premier leagues idea, not Sky's. So clearly that was testing the waters. Wasn't well recieved but again that was price conditioning. e.g. ask for £50 then let them have it for £29.95...think their getting a good deal.

      They will tinker with the control aspect untill it's acceptable to the likes of West Ham. If it doesn't happen it still strengthens their hand with regard to future deals.

      Bound to happen, Yanks will push for more control, milk the game..."Lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas"
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      Reply #24: Oct 13, 2020 03:09:56 pm
      Bit of old school american capitalism isnt it really?

      Depends if you are meaning a caricature of American capitalism (Greed + Nothing = Greed) or a combination of thoughtfulness with economic prosperity, resulting in that motto I mentioned before: “Power has only one duty – to secure the social welfare of the PEOPLE.”

      Every business is trying to generate revenue from the buying decisions of others. What someone does with that earned money is the bigger question.

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